Auction house. Yay or Nay

kargen27 · December 2017

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TTC acts as an auction house on PC. The economy is fine. Every other MMO on the market has an auction house. Their economies are fine. The argument that AH = ruined economy is nonsense.

No it doesn't. An auction house is one stop shopping. TTC you can see many locations where the item you are looking for may or may not be.
An auction house may not wreck the economy but they do make it very easy to control prices on rare items.

Early in this game a trading guild found out while playing on the test server that a few certain items were about to become a lot more desired. They tried to monopolize those items but failed to do so because they couldn't cover all the guild traders out there. With an auction house three people could have done it.

AlnilamE · December 2017

No

No, thank you.

I play Black Desert, Guild Wars 2 and Secret World that have Auction Houses and I much prefer ESO's system of guild traders. It's more immersive and more fun.

FloppyTouch · December 2017

Yes

On xb na there is one guild that owns a guild trader in every prime spot and everyone that plays on xb na knows this guild very well. No one guild should be able to control the market and guild traders.

AH just makes buying better looking for a motif or a piece of armor or a block of glowing cheese is a whole damn day event. Any trade system that takes you all day to find an item is a failed system period. Please someone try to argue that point bc you can’t.

And no xb does not have add ons that can tell me if the item is for sell and where to go to find it. This takes 2 hours+ to search every location that matters.

Motherball · December 2017

Yes

Even Everquest had an easier way to buy and sell. Trading in these games is supposed to be fun, the challenge to be finding a good deal, rather than how to get around clumsy mechanics and archaic search engines.

Runefang · December 2017

Other...

Better interface is needed. Otherwise all good.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · December 2017

No

Wow! Is it that time of the month again?? I would say must be a new player thread, but OP has been here since 2014, so they MUST have seen the 156,946 AH threads that have been started before.
And the 1,000's of times it has been stated.....No.. Period...Not happening....
Early in game, after launch they,(ZoS), stated that they have no interest in changing our system and the fact that other MMO's have it is EXACTLY what ESO is trying to get away from.
Want a AH, go play WoW. Guild Trader System is just fine! Huzzah!!

Korah_Eaglecry · December 2017

Yes

lordrichter wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ereboz wrote: »

I would love a global auction house. I know some people say it would ruin the market because a percentage of players would fluctuate the market. But it's not much different than what people do now visiting guild stores and buying low selling high. So would you like to see a global auction house?

Youre not going to get a fair shake here on the forums. Those here are either heavily involved in running said Trade Guilds or simply buy into the misinformation about how things actually work in an Auction House.

I spent years playing the Auction House in World of Warcraft. I am quite pleased that ESO does not have such a thing.

::golf clap::

Congratulations on being happy with a terrible player to player sales mechanic and interface, I guess.

Korah_Eaglecry · December 2017

Yes

kargen27 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ereboz wrote: »

I would love a global auction house. I know some people say it would ruin the market because a percentage of players would fluctuate the market. But it's not much different than what people do now visiting guild stores and buying low selling high. So would you like to see a global auction house?

Youre not going to get a fair shake here on the forums. Those here are either heavily involved in running said Trade Guilds or simply buy into the misinformation about how things actually work in an Auction House.

Or we have seen the disasters that readily happen in games that feature an auction house and don't want to add another problem area into this game. Check the forums of games that have an auction house and it is rare that you can get past the first page without seeing complaints about someone monopolizing some particular part of the market. With an auction house it is very easy to do.

What disasters?

Lets be honest. I know that you arent going to cite any disasters that can be backed up with evidence. Because youre just making things up. And expect me to be lazy and not go looking for these made up complaint threads. Ive played my fair share of MMOs from STO to WoW to SWTOR. And never once did I see anyone bring forth any evidence of "cornering the market" as people cite here in defense of Guild Traders. The biggest complaints, which happen here as well, is that things are outrageously priced and out of reach of new players. But thats not an issue of cornering the market, its because the gold/credits in said games is so easily accessible at one point or another and the end result is price inflation occurs.

The absolute vast majority of issues in games economies are a result of interference by Developers. Either too late and too little creating a bubble of wealth with veteran gamers and starving out newer players or making drastic changes that absolutely upset the games Supply and Demand. Even speculation of Developer involvement can have drastic impacts in the games supply and demand. We saw that here in ESO just last year when people thought there would be a change to the availability of Gold Tempers.

Niobium · December 2017

No

Absolutely no.

Simple reason: As it is, I don't have the time or energy to go around some 150 guild stores looking for a bargain. But you can bet that if it was all centralized, I would be buying up everything and bumping the prices so high no one but the richest could afford to buy it. I have controlled items in markets in other games and I would do it here too if I had the chance.

But, but.. people already do that!

Yes. So why make it easier for those who already do and also those who would if it didn't take so darn long to go around *everywhere* to find a good deal?

Having no AH gives everyone at least a shot at getting some good deals and making money along the way.

Minyassa · December 2017

Yes

No hope of it, but yes I'd love to see it. This hopping from store to store *** is annoying.

Panzyfaust · December 2017

No

Maybe we could have a better way for more remote Guild Stores to draw more business, but I kind of appreciate the system as-is, for all it's flaws and weirdness. Possibly there could a way to search for a list of Guild Stores carrying a specific item, but it wouldn't show the prices and you'd have to go physically to the Guild Store regardless. It would make finding certain rare items easier, at least. That's just me talking out of my ass, though.

Glurin · December 2017

No

Ew, I think I just stepped in something. Pretty sure it's horse carcass puree.

Demycilian · December 2017

Yes

lordrichter wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ereboz wrote: »

I would love a global auction house. I know some people say it would ruin the market because a percentage of players would fluctuate the market. But it's not much different than what people do now visiting guild stores and buying low selling high. So would you like to see a global auction house?

Youre not going to get a fair shake here on the forums. Those here are either heavily involved in running said Trade Guilds or simply buy into the misinformation about how things actually work in an Auction House.

I spent years playing the Auction House in World of Warcraft. I am quite pleased that ESO does not have such a thing.

So, you are quite pleased you dont have to put up with people like yourself. Dictonary entries explaining hypocrisy need to quote this guy.

On topic, one can only hope that ESO will get a much needed overhaul at some point, including the horrible trade system.

Pele · December 2017

No

ereboz wrote: »

I would love a global auction house. I know some people say it would ruin the market because a percentage of players would fluctuate the market. But it's not much different than what people do now visiting guild stores and buying low selling high.

Exactly, and the current decentralized guild kiosk system is the only thing keeping that in check. Removing the current system and replacing it with a single entity would make it easier for those who do this.

Turelus · December 2017

No

No auction house.

Yes overhaul the current system to improve its weak areas.

Vermintide · December 2017

No

No, and let's be honest. Even though we all use MM and TTC, we all know it's kiiiiinda cheating.

Let's be real. You're not the Wolf of the Market District. You just get an advantage by seeing price information that a lot of other players can't see. Buy low sell high only works when somebody doesn't have access to an add-on telling them you marked it up by 50%.

And yet that same system is the probably the only reason smaller guild traders in far-out locations or starting zones even get transactions to begin with.

The current system has issues but I think it feels like more of an immersive way to do things than having an omnipotent, omnipresent global hypermarket.

kargen27 · December 2017

No

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ereboz wrote: »

I would love a global auction house. I know some people say it would ruin the market because a percentage of players would fluctuate the market. But it's not much different than what people do now visiting guild stores and buying low selling high. So would you like to see a global auction house?

Youre not going to get a fair shake here on the forums. Those here are either heavily involved in running said Trade Guilds or simply buy into the misinformation about how things actually work in an Auction House.

Or we have seen the disasters that readily happen in games that feature an auction house and don't want to add another problem area into this game. Check the forums of games that have an auction house and it is rare that you can get past the first page without seeing complaints about someone monopolizing some particular part of the market. With an auction house it is very easy to do.

What disasters?

Lets be honest. I know that you arent going to cite any disasters that can be backed up with evidence. Because youre just making things up. And expect me to be lazy and not go looking for these made up complaint threads. Ive played my fair share of MMOs from STO to WoW to SWTOR. And never once did I see anyone bring forth any evidence of "cornering the market" as people cite here in defense of Guild Traders. The biggest complaints, which happen here as well, is that things are outrageously priced and out of reach of new players. But thats not an issue of cornering the market, its because the gold/credits in said games is so easily accessible at one point or another and the end result is price inflation occurs.

The absolute vast majority of issues in games economies are a result of interference by Developers. Either too late and too little creating a bubble of wealth with veteran gamers and starving out newer players or making drastic changes that absolutely upset the games Supply and Demand. Even speculation of Developer involvement can have drastic impacts in the games supply and demand. We saw that here in ESO just last year when people thought there would be a change to the availability of Gold Tempers.

No I am not making things up and if you didn't see evidence then you were either not paying attention or have selective memory.

Do you realize how simple it would be for three people to price control something like Perfect Roe if we had an auction house?

Took me less than a minute (much less) to find people if forums of all the games you mentioned complaining about a person or a group of people manipulating pricing.

Just think how drastic that impact would have been if the speculation could have taken place at one central location instead of being spread across every zone. You pretty much argued my point for me.

Tandor · December 2017

Yes

As an improvement on the existing system yes, but the existing system could be greatly improved without departing from its essential structure or switching to an auction house. However, if the only options were to retain the existing system as it is or scrap it for an auction house I'd go for the auction house option.

HighKinlady · December 2017

No

I don’t think an auction house would be good (just my personal opinion). However , an option to type in what you’re searching for on console when you’re at the trader would be nice .

Looking at you ZOS.

dennissomb16_ESO · December 2017

Other...

Would like an auction house but it is never going to happen because the current system is a core design that helps distinguish ESO from every other MMO on the market

Leandor · December 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Beat me to it. Pun intended.

Motherball · December 2017

Yes

I think cornering a market is easier in ESO because the rich guilds can take over all the prime spots. People who buy low and sell high wont have an affect in the market because at some point the price will be too high to be worth it and they wont get a sale at all.

Overhaul to the trading system wont happen because the developers are too lazy to change it, and theres still plenty of passive-aggressive players who insist that the system is fine based on them being angry about some other game for whatever reason. So progress is halted and we all get to suffer, yay.

Orticia · December 2017

Yes

But not to bothered by it either if it stays as it is.

Yes, if I ever want to sell something to other players save once in a blue moon on chat.

As now for me it's just to much hassle to sell stuff. I don't feel like being in multiple guilds just to sell stuff. Deal with most of the good sales guilds demands for minimum sales or weekly fees. I simply won't sell nearly enough to make that worth while. Just casual excess material gathered or possible lucky drops I won't use. The small guilds often don't seem to have a vendor at all or a vendor that doesn't really get much sales.
So I just vendor the lot, drop stuff in the guild bank and such. I might not be able to afford a million gold house, but i get by by doing this.

As for buying. Hunting something specific can takes to much time depending on what it is this way especially if you want a good/best price. The Tamriel trade Center website helps me there a bit though. So the buy side is kinda a bit like central tradecenter combined with the website.

Motherball · December 2017

Yes

I think the current system actually inhibits a lot of trade and turns players who would normally trade items to just vendor them or do without. Take low level set items or glyphs as an example. With the current system, nobody sells them because they take too long to sell. They don’t sell because it’s too much of a hassle to find them, which makes them hard to sell, in turn making them hard to find. At least with a bazaar or AH, these items would have value again, and more players would be able or willing to trade them.

GizmoX64 · December 2017

Yes

Rappelz had individual stores, where you had to run around store to store to store to store to store, for as long as you had the patience for, or until you found the item you were searching for, or run out of time. They did eventually bring a Auction House to the main city, which just is a huge QoL for any game.

ESO needs to do the same, ditch these handful of stores here and there, and make a global auction house that we can search via the banker. Such a massive QoL improvement. Even a location in the major cities that provided access would be huge.
You'd still need to be in a guild to post items.

It seams the only reason it is the way it is, is because Zos wanted a gold sink.

CrazyCleatus · December 2017

As much as I prefer auction houses over ESO's guild trader system, Zenimax will never change it. The thing they really need to do is serious upgrades to the guild trader interface because it's incredibly crappy to use on consoles.

Korah_Eaglecry · December 2017

Yes

kargen27 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ereboz wrote: »

I would love a global auction house. I know some people say it would ruin the market because a percentage of players would fluctuate the market. But it's not much different than what people do now visiting guild stores and buying low selling high. So would you like to see a global auction house?

Youre not going to get a fair shake here on the forums. Those here are either heavily involved in running said Trade Guilds or simply buy into the misinformation about how things actually work in an Auction House.

Or we have seen the disasters that readily happen in games that feature an auction house and don't want to add another problem area into this game. Check the forums of games that have an auction house and it is rare that you can get past the first page without seeing complaints about someone monopolizing some particular part of the market. With an auction house it is very easy to do.

What disasters?

Lets be honest. I know that you arent going to cite any disasters that can be backed up with evidence. Because youre just making things up. And expect me to be lazy and not go looking for these made up complaint threads. Ive played my fair share of MMOs from STO to WoW to SWTOR. And never once did I see anyone bring forth any evidence of "cornering the market" as people cite here in defense of Guild Traders. The biggest complaints, which happen here as well, is that things are outrageously priced and out of reach of new players. But thats not an issue of cornering the market, its because the gold/credits in said games is so easily accessible at one point or another and the end result is price inflation occurs.

The absolute vast majority of issues in games economies are a result of interference by Developers. Either too late and too little creating a bubble of wealth with veteran gamers and starving out newer players or making drastic changes that absolutely upset the games Supply and Demand. Even speculation of Developer involvement can have drastic impacts in the games supply and demand. We saw that here in ESO just last year when people thought there would be a change to the availability of Gold Tempers.

No I am not making things up and if you didn't see evidence then you were either not paying attention or have selective memory.

Do you realize how simple it would be for three people to price control something like Perfect Roe if we had an auction house?

Took me less than a minute (much less) to find people if forums of all the games you mentioned complaining about a person or a group of people manipulating pricing.

Just think how drastic that impact would have been if the speculation could have taken place at one central location instead of being spread across every zone. You pretty much argued my point for me.

In other words, youre full of it and you have no actual evidence of these complaint threads. "You werent paying attention".....really thats the best you can come up with?

Do you realize that when you make things up and then cant provide evidence to back up your claim it invalidates your argument and in turn brings into question everything else you say?

Took you less than a minute but couldnt spend less than a minute linking to those threads. Hmmm.

Just think how drastic it would be if your argument actually had some validity behind it, how much people would believe you rather than laugh at your poor attempt to sway someone already set in their opinion.

ictopbasli · December 2017

Yes

Why not? It would be good. But item trading in this game is wothless. Most of items are bind on pick.

Evergnar · December 2017

Other...

Never going to happen whether we want one or not. I'm not 100% happy with the current guild trading system but wouldn't really want an auction house either.

Nemesis7884 · December 2017

No

the only thing a global auction house would lead to is oligopols and the rich becoming richer