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Using Mouse and Keyboard to Macro abilites
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The_Protagonist✭✭✭✭✭
✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.
Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.
Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.
Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.
These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.
If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.
Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.
Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.kalitoslime wrote: »Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘
Yep, macro's can do that.
What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).
So basically, they just save keypresses..
I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.
I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.
Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.
Nice try though.
What? Every single ability has a cool down. Its 0.9 seconds iirc. This works to ensure that you cannot cast abilities faster than one every 0.9 seconds - macro or not.
There are also light/heavy attacks which have their own separate cool down which is different depending on the weapon. This cool down limits the rate of these attacks.
Having a separate cool down to abilities is what allows weaving to occur.
Please, tell me what abilities you believe don't have cooldowns.? Then maybe we can figure out what your problem is.
I con only think that you are confusing cast abilities with light attacks, procs, delayed effect abilities and dot ticks.. None of which need a macro.Its 0.5 secs bro
How do you guys come up with these numbers, are you guys experimenting or is it mentioned somewhere in patch notes, I am certainly very interested.
Edit: corrected quote tagEdited by The_Protagonist on October 7, 2017 12:15PM0 -
lynog85✭✭✭The_Protagonist wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.
Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.
Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.
Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.
These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.
If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.
Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.
Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.kalitoslime wrote: »Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘
Yep, macro's can do that.
What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).
So basically, they just save keypresses..
I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.
I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.
Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.
Nice try though.
What? Every single ability has a cool down. Its 0.9 seconds iirc. This works to ensure that you cannot cast abilities faster than one every 0.9 seconds - macro or not.
There are also light/heavy attacks which have their own separate cool down which is different depending on the weapon. This cool down limits the rate of these attacks.
Having a separate cool down to abilities is what allows weaving to occur.
Please, tell me what abilities you believe don't have cooldowns.? Then maybe we can figure out what your problem is.
I con only think that you are confusing cast abilities with light attacks, procs, delayed effect abilities and dot ticks.. None of which need a macro.Its 0.5 secs bro
How do you guys come up with these numbers, are you guys experimenting or is it mentioned somewhere in patch notes, I am certainly very interested.
Edit: corrected quote tag
Its been a well known fact since the game dropped mate. The gcd for all skills is 0.5secs. That doesnt include light attacks or procs. So if for instance, light attack surprise attack light attack surprise attack selenes. All hit you in 1 second. Its not cheating. Its the mechanics of the game all being used properly.1 -
The_Protagonist✭✭✭✭✭
✭The_Protagonist wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.
Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.
Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.
Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.
These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.
If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.
Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.
Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.kalitoslime wrote: »Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘
Yep, macro's can do that.
What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).
So basically, they just save keypresses..
I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.
I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.
Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.
Nice try though.
What? Every single ability has a cool down. Its 0.9 seconds iirc. This works to ensure that you cannot cast abilities faster than one every 0.9 seconds - macro or not.
There are also light/heavy attacks which have their own separate cool down which is different depending on the weapon. This cool down limits the rate of these attacks.
Having a separate cool down to abilities is what allows weaving to occur.
Please, tell me what abilities you believe don't have cooldowns.? Then maybe we can figure out what your problem is.
I con only think that you are confusing cast abilities with light attacks, procs, delayed effect abilities and dot ticks.. None of which need a macro.Its 0.5 secs bro
How do you guys come up with these numbers, are you guys experimenting or is it mentioned somewhere in patch notes, I am certainly very interested.
Edit: corrected quote tag
Its been a well known fact since the game dropped mate. The gcd for all skills is 0.5secs. That doesnt include light attacks or procs. So if for instance, light attack surprise attack light attack surprise attack selenes. All hit you in 1 second. Its not cheating. Its the mechanics of the game all being used properly.
I not implying it as cheating, I am just curious as to how much I can improve myself, any idea what's the GCD for light attack?0 -
MaselClass RepresentativeGiles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.
Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.
Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.
Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.
These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.
If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.
Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.
Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.kalitoslime wrote: »Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘
Yep, macro's can do that.
What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).
So basically, they just save keypresses..
I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.
I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.
Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.
Nice try though.
What? Every single ability has a cool down. Its 0.9 seconds iirc. This works to ensure that you cannot cast abilities faster than one every 0.9 seconds - macro or not.
There are also light/heavy attacks which have their own separate cool down which is different depending on the weapon. This cool down limits the rate of these attacks.
Having a separate cool down to abilities is what allows weaving to occur.
Please, tell me what abilities you believe don't have cooldowns.? Then maybe we can figure out what your problem is.
I con only think that you are confusing cast abilities with light attacks, procs, delayed effect abilities and dot ticks.. None of which need a macro.
Its 0.5 secs bro
It definetely isn't 0.5 seconds. 0.9 is right. Cast same skill repeatedly with button mashing and have a look at the combat metrics combat log.PC EU
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.
Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.
Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.
Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.
These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.
If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.
Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.
Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.kalitoslime wrote: »Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘
Yep, macro's can do that.
What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).
So basically, they just save keypresses..
I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.
I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.
Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.
Nice try though.
What? Every single ability has a cool down. Its 0.9 seconds iirc. This works to ensure that you cannot cast abilities faster than one every 0.9 seconds - macro or not.
There are also light/heavy attacks which have their own separate cool down which is different depending on the weapon. This cool down limits the rate of these attacks.
Having a separate cool down to abilities is what allows weaving to occur.
Please, tell me what abilities you believe don't have cooldowns.? Then maybe we can figure out what your problem is.
I con only think that you are confusing cast abilities with light attacks, procs, delayed effect abilities and dot ticks.. None of which need a macro.
Its 0.5 secs bro
I'm pretty sure its quite a bit more than that. I always thought it was 1second, till I saw someone whose game-knowledge I respect say it was 0.9
I'm still waiting for you to tell me which abilities don't have a cool down.Minalan owes me a beer.
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MaselClass RepresentativeGiles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.
Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.
Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.
Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.
These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.
If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.
Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.
Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.kalitoslime wrote: »Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘
Yep, macro's can do that.
What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).
So basically, they just save keypresses..
I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.
I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.
Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.
Nice try though.
You are rude and offensive to most people who legibly responded to the post you made for no apparent reason, while the game's system basically proves you wrong.
Global cooldowns do not allow skills to be cast more frequently than 0.9 seconds per skill. Light attacks and heavy attacks are also on a separate cooldown, same holds for bashing. No exception to that. Macros, bar swap canceling and block canceling do not and will not change that. Deal with it. Tell me one ability without a GCD and prove it's true. God, why do I even bother...PC EU
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I wonder that myself sometimes. Maybe we should just stay quiet and let those easy-targets stay as easy targets.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.
Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.
Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.
Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.
These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.
If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.
Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.
Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.kalitoslime wrote: »Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘
Yep, macro's can do that.
What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).
So basically, they just save keypresses..
I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.
I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.
Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.
Nice try though.
You are rude and offensive to most people who legibly responded to the post you made for no apparent reason, while the game's system basically proves you wrong.
Global cooldowns do not allow skills to be cast more frequently than 0.9 seconds per skill. Light attacks and heavy attacks are also on a separate cooldown, same holds for bashing. No exception to that. Macros, bar swap canceling and block canceling do not and will not change that. Deal with it. Tell me one ability without a GCD and prove it's true. God, why do I even bother...
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maryriv✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.
Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.
Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.
Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.
These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.
If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.
Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.
Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.kalitoslime wrote: »Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘
Yep, macro's can do that.
What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).
So basically, they just save keypresses..
I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.
I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.
Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?
If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?
Thank you for your time.
Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.
Nice try though.
You are rude and offensive to most people who legibly responded to the post you made for no apparent reason, while the game's system basically proves you wrong.
Global cooldowns do not allow skills to be cast more frequently than 0.9 seconds per skill. Light attacks and heavy attacks are also on a separate cooldown, same holds for bashing. No exception to that. Macros, bar swap canceling and block canceling do not and will not change that. Deal with it. Tell me one ability without a GCD and prove it's true. God, why do I even bother...
You are rude and offensive to someone who is trying to help you out. Now you are adding hypocrisy on top of it.
No, there is not one GCD for every skill and ability, you are wrong.
Please stop embarrassing yourselves with your feigned denial, it's sad really.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that some skills and abilities have separate GCD's therefore can all be used in tandem in under 1 second.
All your hate and denial just makes it more and more evident you are trying to cover for your precious macros.0 -
Nord_Templar✭✭✭The only thing macros would be great for is your most used combos. Ie light attack puncture bash or light attack executioner, all animation cancelled and recorded onto a key press. Macros cant ignore GCDs like some idiots in here suggest.
Tldr;
Macros are cheesy but they only really fine tune already good players. They wont make a bad player good. You cant polish a turd.
Skill "fast blind printing on the keyboard" just makes you "keyboard hero", not a God or Super-Hero.
As Bruce Willis said, "sitting at the computer is a job for girls."
I do not understand why the development of 3D manipulators for games goes so slowly. Such as the Kinect system from Microsoft, and HTC Vive from STEAM. I do not understand how it is, to be a hero with a mouse in hand. I want a game manipulator with a sword or a staff.
Ready to pay damned money for it.Edited by Nord_Templar on October 7, 2017 11:40PM1 -
maryriv✭✭✭✭Nord_Templar wrote: »The only thing macros would be great for is your most used combos. Ie light attack puncture bash or light attack executioner, all animation cancelled and recorded onto a key press. Macros cant ignore GCDs like some idiots in here suggest.
Tldr;
Macros are cheesy but they only really fine tune already good players. They wont make a bad player good. You cant polish a turd.
Skill "fast blind printing on the keyboard" just makes you "keyboard hero", not a God or Super-Hero.
As Bruce Willis said, "sitting at the computer is a job for girls."
I do not understand why the development of 3D manipulators for games goes so slowly. Such as the Kinect system from Microsoft, and HTC Vive from STEAM. I do not understand how it is, to be a hero with a mouse in hand. I want a game manipulator with a sword or a staff.
Ready to pay damned money for it.
Because there is no need for it really, everyone is satisfied with what we have and they are already making tons of money. The production and R&D required to put something so new and fresh out to the general public in a cost that is even close to reasonable as well as have minimal bugs is way to high to be considered possible.
Take Oculus for example, VR has been out for over 70 years, let that sink in... 7 0 years. it is a really neat concept but one that is not practical for large scale entertainment consumption therefore it has been relegated to military and science usage only.
Give it another 30 years. But by then, wierdo's on forums will consider it "necroing".0 -
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✭✭✭✭Nord_Templar wrote: »The only thing macros would be great for is your most used combos. Ie light attack puncture bash or light attack executioner, all animation cancelled and recorded onto a key press. Macros cant ignore GCDs like some idiots in here suggest.
Tldr;
Macros are cheesy but they only really fine tune already good players. They wont make a bad player good. You cant polish a turd.
Skill "fast blind printing on the keyboard" just makes you "keyboard hero", not a God or Super-Hero.
As Bruce Willis said, "sitting at the computer is a job for girls."
I do not understand why the development of 3D manipulators for games goes so slowly. Such as the Kinect system from Microsoft, and HTC Vive from STEAM. I do not understand how it is, to be a hero with a mouse in hand. I want a game manipulator with a sword or a staff.
Ready to pay damned money for it.
Would playing a game that involves waving your arms around make you any more of a hero than moving a mouse around? O.oMinalan owes me a beer.
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maryriv✭✭✭✭Nord_Templar wrote: »The only thing macros would be great for is your most used combos. Ie light attack puncture bash or light attack executioner, all animation cancelled and recorded onto a key press. Macros cant ignore GCDs like some idiots in here suggest.
Tldr;
Macros are cheesy but they only really fine tune already good players. They wont make a bad player good. You cant polish a turd.
Skill "fast blind printing on the keyboard" just makes you "keyboard hero", not a God or Super-Hero.
As Bruce Willis said, "sitting at the computer is a job for girls."
I do not understand why the development of 3D manipulators for games goes so slowly. Such as the Kinect system from Microsoft, and HTC Vive from STEAM. I do not understand how it is, to be a hero with a mouse in hand. I want a game manipulator with a sword or a staff.
Ready to pay damned money for it.
Would playing a game that involves waving your arms around make you any more of a hero than moving a mouse around? O.o
No, but it does make you less of one when you macro then pretend you are just "really fast on the keyboard" to seem like you are a hero.Edited by maryriv on October 8, 2017 1:53PM0 -
Nord_Templar✭✭✭Would playing a game that involves waving your arms around make you any more of a hero than moving a mouse around? O.o
it was the sarcasm of the mice traders? )) Obviously, I will be in better physical shape, if I do not sit at the computer in a soft armchair, most of my life.
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killmove✭✭✭Dudes stop arguying MACRO DOES NOT EXIST in ESO
Devs were aware of this issues before and they fixed it now
you may try whatever combinations, that won't work, the system won't allow it.
the skill CD prevent you from doing shuch a thing.
and before starting telling non senses, it what i'm saying is wrong prove it and put the damn macro down. i'll eat my hat if that true.0 -
Jaybe_Mawfaka✭✭✭✭✭It is impossible to for a macro to allow more than 3 inputs per second as global cooldowns are in effect on things such as light attacks, abilities, and blocks, bashes and bar swaps so that they can only occur once per second. Likely macros are not the issue you are blaming for death recaps but combinations of popular kill combos that take advantage of ability delays and travel times that allow more than one ability to hit at the same time. Most that cry "macro" do so because they do not understand mechanics. Its very possible to press 3 buttons per second with practice, this does not mean someone used a macro just because they killed you in one second and that "one second" kill probably took 3-6 seconds of preparation.
Please don't turn this into an anti-animation cancelling thread.
This.0 -
killmove✭✭✭yeah that's what i'm saying, there is no macro in ESO
maybe this was possible before, but not anymore thanks to ZOS work0 -
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✭✭✭✭I got called a macro slice or whatever abuser about a billion times now, and I know I don't abuse anything, so I know most people don't either.
Now animation cancelling is real and IF you don't use it you are dumb.
But macro slice is a fault of lag and latency.Edited by Ragnarock41 on December 4, 2017 11:26AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Dudes stop arguying MACRO DOES NOT EXIST in ESO
Devs were aware of this issues before and they fixed it now
you may try whatever combinations, that won't work, the system won't allow it.
the skill CD prevent you from doing shuch a thing.
and before starting telling non senses, it what i'm saying is wrong prove it and put the damn macro down. i'll eat my hat if that true.
They had stopped arguing - for 2 months....
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I know this is an old thread - but I've had someone say flat out that downloading an addon to skip having to do light attacks between every skill is not a macro and not against the TOS because they're using a controller instead of a keyboard on PC. This is still a violation of TOS, correct @ZOS_GinaBruno ??Wabba-Jacked GM ~ completes end-game trial content.
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✭✭✭✭✭Aria_GuildDestroyer wrote: »I know this is an old thread - but I've had someone say flat out that downloading an addon to skip having to do light attacks between every skill is not a macro and not against the TOS because they're using a controller instead of a keyboard on PC. This is still a violation of TOS, correct @ZOS_GinaBruno ??
Read the ToS. If it sounds like a violation, then it is. Otherwise, it is not. There are no answers here. The forum answers will cover the entire range from "do it and burn in hell" to "everyone does it, so join in the fun". Both sides will be convincing. ZOS will not comment.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭✭✭Aria_GuildDestroyer wrote: »I know this is an old thread - but I've had someone say flat out that downloading an addon to skip having to do light attacks between every skill is not a macro and not against the TOS because they're using a controller instead of a keyboard on PC. This is still a violation of TOS, correct @ZOS_GinaBruno ??
AddOns can't do light attacks for you and neither can they "skip" light attacks or fire off any attacks or skills for you ...
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nekura✭✭✭Tons of people use macros. You could technically get hit by six attacks in 1second. Light Attack > Skill > Bash at 0sec's as an alpha strike, and then again at the 1sec mark. To the player that could look like 1second.
You can macro your little heart out, but you still can't beat the GCD.1 -
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