Using Mouse and Keyboard to Macro abilites

FriedEggSandwich · September 2017

laced wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

some of the things being said here to cover up the cheats is amazing, and shockingly so far out of reality.
makes wonder where they are at in thier minds.

Provide evidence. Speculation is pointless. If it really is that widespread then it shouldn't be that hard to find some evidence. And I don't mean evidence that macros can be used in game like the op provided, I know that, I mean evidence that they actually give an advantage in pvp and don't just gimp you because of how dynamic pvp is. Your personal conviction is not enough for me. That is reasonable.

Considering we are not allowed to name and shame, what you are asking is literally not possible on these forums.

I always find it hilarious when the people who use macros jump in and scream " No one uses them , what are you talking about ? " When clearly some people really do.

You can't be talking about me because I didn't say that no one uses them.

Juhasow · September 2017

OP in my eyes

NyassaV · September 2017

There are many people who use macros in PvP but you cannot use more than 3 abilities in a second even with perfect Ani cancelling. Using Macros is cheating and is against the ToS

Thogard · September 2017

Yngol wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we showed proof, we spoke about it, and showed how it happens. we play pvp and see it happen along with other cheats every day. all we can do is expose it on the forums and try to reach others with the information and maybe someday there will be developer fixes.
as for the comments trying to defend it, and claim is no proof, and claim is no cheat happening in not only this thread but many other threads, all i can say is i feel bad for the Golden tongue responses, and i hope those people don't lie with this much strength to themselves.

A player using macros in PVP is a bad player. Someone dying to that player is even worse. And no thats not defending macros. Thats understanding how they work and how they relate to PVP.

Cheats on the other hand is a whole different story.

This, macros works well on dummy, they don't work so well against boss as you might need to block or roll dodge.
In pvp there everything is dynamic it would be hopeless.
I actually made an macro of an entire templar rotation, then I made it more thigh until skills or LA was skipped and relaxed.
This was to test maximum potential of the rotation. As said against an boss this will be messed up often.
Morrowind and need to HA made macros work even worse.

BTW, while OP is obviously wrong/stupid/etc, you can't seriously think that macro's don't give you an advantage. You're right that a long chain of commands make you pretty vulnerable in pvp, but how about (for example) a perfectly animation cancelled executioner?

You can perfectly animation cancel an executioner without macros...

But you can't perfectly animation cancel with macros in PvP because your ping is so variable.

If you try to do a macro that will light attack -> execute -> block -> bar swap, it might work for a min on your test dummy.

Take it out to cyrodil and that same macro that's "perfect" in housing will backfire horribly. You'll be block cancelling your ability.. not the animation but the ability itself.

I don't monitor my ping on my sorc, instead I go by how quickly I can block and barswap after casting a healing ward. Often times I have to have more of a delay in cyrodil than in BGs... and if I switch from one to the other, I'll often block cancel some of my abilities, preventing them from going off, for ten min or so as I get used to the different lag.

If you see Mag players spamming shields and bar swapping while waiting on the BG to start after zoning in, it's because we're trying to get a feel for the lag and the rhythm for light weaving and ani cancelling.

maryriv · September 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Yngol wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we showed proof, we spoke about it, and showed how it happens. we play pvp and see it happen along with other cheats every day. all we can do is expose it on the forums and try to reach others with the information and maybe someday there will be developer fixes.
as for the comments trying to defend it, and claim is no proof, and claim is no cheat happening in not only this thread but many other threads, all i can say is i feel bad for the Golden tongue responses, and i hope those people don't lie with this much strength to themselves.

A player using macros in PVP is a bad player. Someone dying to that player is even worse. And no thats not defending macros. Thats understanding how they work and how they relate to PVP.

Cheats on the other hand is a whole different story.

This, macros works well on dummy, they don't work so well against boss as you might need to block or roll dodge.
In pvp there everything is dynamic it would be hopeless.
I actually made an macro of an entire templar rotation, then I made it more thigh until skills or LA was skipped and relaxed.
This was to test maximum potential of the rotation. As said against an boss this will be messed up often.
Morrowind and need to HA made macros work even worse.

BTW, while OP is obviously wrong/stupid/etc, you can't seriously think that macro's don't give you an advantage. You're right that a long chain of commands make you pretty vulnerable in pvp, but how about (for example) a perfectly animation cancelled executioner?

You can perfectly animation cancel an executioner without macros...

But you can't perfectly animation cancel with macros in PvP because your ping is so variable.

If you try to do a macro that will light attack -> execute -> block -> bar swap, it might work for a min on your test dummy.

Take it out to cyrodil and that same macro that's "perfect" in housing will backfire horribly. You'll be block cancelling your ability.. not the animation but the ability itself.

I don't monitor my ping on my sorc, instead I go by how quickly I can block and barswap after casting a healing ward. Often times I have to have more of a delay in cyrodil than in BGs... and if I switch from one to the other, I'll often block cancel some of my abilities, preventing them from going off, for ten min or so as I get used to the different lag.

If you see Mag players spamming shields and bar swapping while waiting on the BG to start after zoning in, it's because we're trying to get a feel for the lag and the rhythm for light weaving and ani cancelling.

This is expressly false.

Sharee · September 2017

Thogard wrote: »

I don't know why anyone would use macros. It just locks you into a chain of attacks rather than allowing you to remain flexible and adjust as needed.

Not necessarily. If your macro simply adds a light attack with every skill use, it won't lock you into any chains, since light attacks are on a different CD than skills and the whole "chain" won't be any longer than the skill use by itself. Doing this gives the macro user the advantage of always perfectly weaving his light attacks without having to put any though to it (and regardless of how much pressured/distracted/tired/drunk, etc. etc. they are). This is a clear advantage against someone who doesn't macro.

Which brings me to another point, the "show me evidence people are doing it". If the history of humankind has taught us anything, it is the fact that if people *can* do something to gain an advantage, they will. People who think "yeah it gives an advantage, but noone is using it" are kidding themselves.

Saturnana · September 2017

Juhasow · September 2017

Sharee wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I don't know why anyone would use macros. It just locks you into a chain of attacks rather than allowing you to remain flexible and adjust as needed.

Not necessarily. If your macro simply adds a light attack with every skill use, it won't lock you into any chains, since light attacks are on a different CD than skills and the whole "chain" won't be any longer than the skill use by itself. Doing this gives the macro user the advantage of always perfectly weaving his light attacks without having to put any though to it (and regardless of how much pressured/distracted/tired/drunk, etc. etc. they are). This is a clear advantage against someone who doesn't macro.

Which brings me to another point, the "show me evidence people are doing it". If the history of humankind has taught us anything, it is the fact that if people *can* do something to gain an advantage, they will. People who think "yeah it gives an advantage, but noone is using it" are kidding themselves.

About separate cooldown for weapons attacks and skills it's not entirely true. There is a cooldown after using skill that is blocking use of weapon attacks. Otherwise You would be able to use light attack right after using skill if You werent using light attack before that skill but You're not able to do that doesnt matter block cancelled or not.

Nord_Templar · September 2017

Here in the forum, the Administration forbids the publication of photos screenshots Death Recap, from the game. And this suggests that Zenimax is not interested in investigating this situation.

My experience shows that You are always attacked by several players. So quickly achieve the goal, alternately quickly killing enemy soldiers. A few seconds, and victory.
For example, 3-4 arrows with poison, from steals, and the final blow, causing 7000 damage. This is guaranteed death.

maryriv · September 2017

Sharee wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I don't know why anyone would use macros. It just locks you into a chain of attacks rather than allowing you to remain flexible and adjust as needed.

Not necessarily. If your macro simply adds a light attack with every skill use, it won't lock you into any chains, since light attacks are on a different CD than skills and the whole "chain" won't be any longer than the skill use by itself. Doing this gives the macro user the advantage of always perfectly weaving his light attacks without having to put any though to it (and regardless of how much pressured/distracted/tired/drunk, etc. etc. they are). This is a clear advantage against someone who doesn't macro.

Which brings me to another point, the "show me evidence people are doing it". If the history of humankind has taught us anything, it is the fact that if people *can* do something to gain an advantage, they will. People who think "yeah it gives an advantage, but noone is using it" are kidding themselves.

You said what I should have. I guess I assumed everyone know this is what I was stating, two macros with weaves on 2 separate buttons with separate GCD pressed .5 apart (usually whilst flying through the air because this is especially easy to do with 2H abilities) = 4 attacks in 1 second.

I just find it extremely amusing that so many people can be so confidently wrong in such rude fashion.

Juhasow · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I don't know why anyone would use macros. It just locks you into a chain of attacks rather than allowing you to remain flexible and adjust as needed.

Not necessarily. If your macro simply adds a light attack with every skill use, it won't lock you into any chains, since light attacks are on a different CD than skills and the whole "chain" won't be any longer than the skill use by itself. Doing this gives the macro user the advantage of always perfectly weaving his light attacks without having to put any though to it (and regardless of how much pressured/distracted/tired/drunk, etc. etc. they are). This is a clear advantage against someone who doesn't macro.

Which brings me to another point, the "show me evidence people are doing it". If the history of humankind has taught us anything, it is the fact that if people *can* do something to gain an advantage, they will. People who think "yeah it gives an advantage, but noone is using it" are kidding themselves.

You said what I should have. I guess I assumed everyone know this is what I was stating, two macros with weaves on 2 separate buttons with separate GCD pressed .5 apart (usually whilst flying through the air because this is especially easy to do with 2H abilities) = 4 attacks in 1 second.

I just find it extremely amusing that so many people can be so confidently wrong in such rude fashion.

Lol man stop to humiliate Yourself. It's been 1 month since You started this thread many people explained You You're wrong yet You preffer to belive in Your imaginary scenario and You still have no idea what You're talking about and no idea how game mechanics work. Run some tests then come back with resluts instead of whining that everyone is running macro and this is because You're loosing. And I am not saying people not using macros but macro will bever allow You to use 4 skills in 1 seconds and Your "2 separate macro buttons" theory is just laughable.

Biro123 · September 2017

Malic wrote: »

LjAnimalchin wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I think its very amusing that so many of you are so in the dark about something so well known and used! I suspect you are trying to cover for your own macro use to prevent ZoS from addressing the issue. Or maybe you guys have been reading and practicing the tips in this article to try and misdirect, deny and bully anyone who dares bring it up by calling them ignorant, clueless etc.

It won't work. I am not lagging with a PR of 100 and FPS of 90. I also use Decay2's Improved Death Recap so you can't use that excuse either. It's plain as day.

LOL, there is even a YouTube video about the ethics of the fact that macros are so easy and over used! So forgive me but the whole "they don't exist I'm just really good and fast and you are just dumb, bad, don't understand and are slow" act is very hard to believe.

But, giving you the benefit of the doubt (and for those reading who don't know who to believe) I will explain like you are 5.

Some abilities do not trigger any GCD (Global Cool Down or a built in mandatory pause before you can do anything else) at all when pressed, therefore, you can use it and another ability within micro seconds and both actions will perform. Therefore you can create bar swap, interrupt, light attack and block macros using the software that came with the peripherals on any gaming mouse or keyboard and get 4 attacks off in less than a second. For example 1'1' will cast ability 1 switch bars ability 2 and switch back. You can also weave light attacks in and make it more profitable.

Now, don't become angry and rage post further please. I am not flaming, I am genuinely concerned for the health of the game. I would like to know @ZOS_GinaBruno is this permissible or not? If not, what are we doing to stop players from rampantly abusing these macros in pvp as is the current state of affairs?

Thanks Gina!

Provide proof of your claims that there are abilities that bypass gcd. If you don't please don't be shocked that people pay no attention to your crackpot theories and deride you. People do these things on console too. Is that also macros?

Coming in here and telling people that if they are good they are cheating basically is pretty much the definition of the scrub mentality.

Ditto, lets see your proof. Youre making the claim, back it up. Or are you trolling?

Lol - you're asking him to provide evidence for something that doesn't exist...

I challenge you to provide proof to show that unicorns aren't real. Go-on, show me a video of that non-existing unicorn to prove to me that they don't exist.

This subject really gets old.

Are there people who use macro's in PVP? Probably
Does it let them bypass cooldowns? No
Does it give them an advantage? - possibly a very small advantage, and probably only with la weaving which is easy without anyway.
Is it worth whining about? no.
Can I land over 5 hits in one second without macro's/cheating at will? Yes.

lynog85 · September 2017

Anyone in this thread thinking macros make a player crap or more crap for using them, you have no idea what youre talking about. None

maryriv · September 2017

lynog85 wrote: »

Anyone in this thread thinking macros make a player crap or more crap for using them, you have no idea what youre talking about. None

I'm not sure which is worse, the ones pretending it doesn't exist in an attempt to misdirect or those who are genuinely ignorant and act like they know better.

chris25602 · September 2017

so tangent here ...a few months back I bought a corsair mmo mouse ...I went from having two thumb keys to twelve...trying to play without an mmo mouse is like being a cripple.

kalitoslime · October 2017

The issue I’m seeing is the shield bash macro cancel ultimate and instant abilities being Cancelled and still doing HEAVY damage also the hold block while doing damage. Heres a simple fix remove DPS while blocking or shield bashing ! So now u can still cancel a move and it does just that, CANCEL IT!!! Same for blocking I’m on the defense no reason to dps at that moment.. O why not add stamina to jumping!! Because that’s also a macro issue and a cheese dodge !

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lynog85 · October 2017

kalitoslime wrote: »

The issue I’m seeing is the shield bash macro cancel ultimate and instant abilities being Cancelled and still doing HEAVY damage also the hold block while doing damage. Heres a simple fix remove DPS while blocking or shield bashing ! So now u can still cancel a move and it does just that, CANCEL IT!!! Same for blocking I’m on the defense no reason to dps at that moment.. O why not add stamina to jumping!! Because that’s also a macro issue and a cheese dodge !

kalitoslyme ps4 675cp
Bl00DMAGIC PC 245 cp

Thats just not how a macro works mate. Go use some and you will see.

kalitoslime · October 2017

Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘

Biro123 · October 2017

kalitoslime wrote: »

Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘

Yep, macro's can do that.

What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).

So basically, they just save keypresses..

I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.

I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.

yodased · October 2017

Well it's not just macros, it's software like chimpeon that allow for dynamic learning based key sending. For instance, when shields are not up look at pixel color of #2 (shield) if color is shield color, cast shield. If it's not. Send tilde. Send 2 send 3 send tilde.

You can use that to literally keep shields up at all times, to get heals or vigor or whatever

In theory you could use this with moats or with combat cloud to auto roll, auto block auto break free whatever.

That's beyond actual bot programs that wouldn't really work in PvP . Chimpeon though, for sure can be used in pvp to keep perfect rotations or defense

idk · October 2017

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.

maryriv · October 2017

idk wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.

Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.

Biro123 wrote: »

kalitoslime wrote: »

Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘

Yep, macro's can do that.

What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).

So basically, they just save keypresses..

I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.

I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.

Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.

Xvorg · October 2017

Sharee wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I don't know why anyone would use macros. It just locks you into a chain of attacks rather than allowing you to remain flexible and adjust as needed.

Not necessarily. If your macro simply adds a light attack with every skill use, it won't lock you into any chains, since light attacks are on a different CD than skills and the whole "chain" won't be any longer than the skill use by itself. Doing this gives the macro user the advantage of always perfectly weaving his light attacks without having to put any though to it (and regardless of how much pressured/distracted/tired/drunk, etc. etc. they are). This is a clear advantage against someone who doesn't macro.

Which brings me to another point, the "show me evidence people are doing it". If the history of humankind has taught us anything, it is the fact that if people *can* do something to gain an advantage, they will. People who think "yeah it gives an advantage, but noone is using it" are kidding themselves.

this!

Xvorg · October 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

LjAnimalchin wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I think its very amusing that so many of you are so in the dark about something so well known and used! I suspect you are trying to cover for your own macro use to prevent ZoS from addressing the issue. Or maybe you guys have been reading and practicing the tips in this article to try and misdirect, deny and bully anyone who dares bring it up by calling them ignorant, clueless etc.

It won't work. I am not lagging with a PR of 100 and FPS of 90. I also use Decay2's Improved Death Recap so you can't use that excuse either. It's plain as day.

LOL, there is even a YouTube video about the ethics of the fact that macros are so easy and over used! So forgive me but the whole "they don't exist I'm just really good and fast and you are just dumb, bad, don't understand and are slow" act is very hard to believe.

But, giving you the benefit of the doubt (and for those reading who don't know who to believe) I will explain like you are 5.

Some abilities do not trigger any GCD (Global Cool Down or a built in mandatory pause before you can do anything else) at all when pressed, therefore, you can use it and another ability within micro seconds and both actions will perform. Therefore you can create bar swap, interrupt, light attack and block macros using the software that came with the peripherals on any gaming mouse or keyboard and get 4 attacks off in less than a second. For example 1'1' will cast ability 1 switch bars ability 2 and switch back. You can also weave light attacks in and make it more profitable.

Now, don't become angry and rage post further please. I am not flaming, I am genuinely concerned for the health of the game. I would like to know @ZOS_GinaBruno is this permissible or not? If not, what are we doing to stop players from rampantly abusing these macros in pvp as is the current state of affairs?

Thanks Gina!

Provide proof of your claims that there are abilities that bypass gcd. If you don't please don't be shocked that people pay no attention to your crackpot theories and deride you. People do these things on console too. Is that also macros?

Coming in here and telling people that if they are good they are cheating basically is pretty much the definition of the scrub mentality.

Ditto, lets see your proof. Youre making the claim, back it up. Or are you trolling?

Lol - you're asking him to provide evidence for something that doesn't exist...

I challenge you to provide proof to show that unicorns aren't real. Go-on, show me a video of that non-existing unicorn to prove to me that they don't exist.

This subject really gets old.

Are there people who use macro's in PVP? Probably
Does it let them bypass cooldowns? No
Does it give them an advantage? - possibly a very small advantage, and probably only with la weaving which is easy without anyway.
Is it worth whining about? no.
Can I land over 5 hits in one second without macro's/cheating at will? Yes.

I don't see it's only LA... maybe some bashes and swaps are included too

for example, you can set the 2 of the 3 skill you use to weave a LA before the skill, and the third to include a bash too (maybe one with a long cast time)

You should end up doing something like this: LA, skill, bash, long casting skill.

So while a legit player should use 5 buttons to use that combo, the macroer will just use 2.

Nevertheless, how do you prove the cheating without actually cheating?

Biro123 · October 2017

maryriv wrote: »

idk wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.

Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.

Biro123 wrote: »

kalitoslime wrote: »

Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘

Yep, macro's can do that.

What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).

So basically, they just save keypresses..

I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.

I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.

Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

nnargun · October 2017

OP is obviously trolling. Not sure about the other pro macro theory guys but OP is.

maryriv · October 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

idk wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.

Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.

Biro123 wrote: »

kalitoslime wrote: »

Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘

Yep, macro's can do that.

What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).

So basically, they just save keypresses..

I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.

I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.

Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.

Nice try though.

Biro123 · October 2017

maryriv wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

idk wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.

Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.

Biro123 wrote: »

kalitoslime wrote: »

Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘

Yep, macro's can do that.

What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).

So basically, they just save keypresses..

I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.

I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.

Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.

Nice try though.

What? Every single ability has a cool down. Its 0.9 seconds iirc. This works to ensure that you cannot cast abilities faster than one every 0.9 seconds - macro or not.
There are also light/heavy attacks which have their own separate cool down which is different depending on the weapon. This cool down limits the rate of these attacks.
Having a separate cool down to abilities is what allows weaving to occur.

Please, tell me what abilities you believe don't have cooldowns.? Then maybe we can figure out what your problem is.

I con only think that you are confusing cast abilities with light attacks, procs, delayed effect abilities and dot ticks.. None of which need a macro.

lynog85 · October 2017

The only thing macros would be great for is your most used combos. Ie light attack puncture bash or light attack executioner, all animation cancelled and recorded onto a key press. Macros cant ignore GCDs like some idiots in here suggest.
Tldr;
Macros are cheesy but they only really fine tune already good players. They wont make a bad player good. You cant polish a turd.

lynog85 · October 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

idk wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

How can you tell they are using macros? It is much more reliable to do it by hand and macros do not adjust to something that changes.

Macros are against ToS which is the official stance and only stance. Also, light attacks are the easiest thing to weave in. Bar swap animation canceling only helps if the player needs to bar swap.

Just because a player does these things does not mean they use macros at all. Most skilled players do not use them. They are just good. Not suggesting some players do not use macros. Just saying the good ones do not.

Because it's reproducible, you can light attack then set the macro to wait .050 sec fire ability 1 wait .050 then light attack again then ability 2.

These keyboard cowboys can brag all day long but they will never be able to reproduce that speed. It's at least twice as fast and any human can do.

If you are lagging (which I never do) then you can increase the time between each ability and light attack again. Just ask yourself this, if this isn't a thing, then why all the triggered rage. Pretty obvious.

Yes. I can see how less skilled players would benefit from them. However, skill still trumps macros every time.

Wrong again. Macros accentuate any skill level not just those of low skill level. Any good player who is being honest with themselves and others can see this. Those of poor knowledge and skill may not see that.

Biro123 wrote: »

kalitoslime wrote: »

Yes it is how it works u press surprise attack for example and the keyboard shield bash 4 u so u press one button and 3 are executed!! This is how it works it’s cheap ‘

Yep, macro's can do that.

What they can't do is cast multiple abilities or do multiple light attacks faster than the cd is for them. (which seems to be what a lot of people think).

So basically, they just save keypresses..

I mean, yeah, I could do a macro (I have the keyboard - but don't see the point in this game) to light-attack, surprise attack, shield-bash with one button-press. But no matter how fast I spam that button, it won't light attack any faster than the cooldown for that weapon - and it won't cast surprise attack any faster than you could if you were just mashing the surprise attack button without any macro's.

I just practiced until I could quickly and reliably press light-attack, E, right-click, left-click very quickly. (and yeah, it did take a bit of practice - I have '1'(ability bar) rebound to 'E', btw. ). So I can do this combo almost as efficiently as a macro - BUT I also have flexibility to mix it with a heavy attack instead of a LA if I want to add a bit more burst or if I want resources.. or to not do the bash if I want to save resources, or to cancel with just block or bar-swap instead if I need to be on the other bar.
If instead, I made 'E' into a macro for LA/SA/bash, I'd lose all that flexibility. Not worth it imho.

Literally no one has ever suggested that macros shorten GCD's what an odd assumption on your part.

maryriv wrote: »

I've noticed that most people in Cyrodiil are using macros, you can always tell because death recap shows 4 abilities cast in less than one second. No ones reflexes are that fast. So I was wondering, what is your official stance on using mouse and keyboard binds to macro light attack, bash, interrupt and bar swap animation cancelling macros?

If I report these people, nothing happens, does that indicate that you approve?

Thank you for your time.

Ohhh I see... it's reading comprehension that is your issue. As stated previously, not all abilities share a GCD and some abilities do not even have a GCD. Therefore, no one has ever suggested that macro's can shorten any GCD.

Nice try though.

What? Every single ability has a cool down. Its 0.9 seconds iirc. This works to ensure that you cannot cast abilities faster than one every 0.9 seconds - macro or not.
There are also light/heavy attacks which have their own separate cool down which is different depending on the weapon. This cool down limits the rate of these attacks.
Having a separate cool down to abilities is what allows weaving to occur.

Please, tell me what abilities you believe don't have cooldowns.? Then maybe we can figure out what your problem is.

I con only think that you are confusing cast abilities with light attacks, procs, delayed effect abilities and dot ticks.. None of which need a macro.

Its 0.5 secs bro