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this is what eso is truning into
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Enemy-of-Coldharbour✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So true...
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umagon✭✭✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »
“The more you buy the better chance you got”. It’s sad how many people fall for this.11 -
Ohtimbar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Since when are cosmetics & consumables pay to win? Seems like much ado about nothing to me.forever stuck in combat27 -
Milvan✭✭✭✭✭
✭I saw a episode of World of Gumball where is actually about in game currency and in game itens that episode was soo godamn good. But I missed what episode was that.
I mean, ESO is very monetized, and by that I mean WAAAAYYYY TOO MUCH MONETIZED indeed. I hope they cut back a little bit.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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Ohtimbar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »
We can say it, but it still isn't pay to win. Doesn't mean people have to like it though.forever stuck in combat10 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »
We can say it, but it still isn't pay to win. Doesn't mean people have to like it thoug
It's getting so you have to pay for anything with cash or crowns,....the example in the vid would be better at least you can get the stuff doing in game
ESO they only way to get morrowind is pay cash
Crate to get stuff
Xp scrolls bank space you have to pay crowns if crowns were available in game I would not complain so much0 -
monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭Pay to win cam be interpreted different ways. In traditional mmorpgs you win rewards by doing quests. Here..you pay for them..pay to win items.
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Talon_Draconis✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »
We can say it, but it still isn't pay to win. Doesn't mean people have to like it though.
I not saying p2w but like the vid to access the whole game you have to pay....and it's getting worse2 -
Ohtimbar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »
We can say it, but it still isn't pay to win. Doesn't mean people have to like it though.
I not saying p2w but like the vid to access the whole game you have to pay....and it's getting worse
I hear ya, and I dislike certain aspects of it as well. The prices of many items on the crown store are stupidly high in my opinion, such that fewer people are likely to pay them. It seems self-defeating to me. I can also see why people are concerned that it might become p2w eventually, but I think common sense will keep that from happening. If too many players get angry and leave, there's no game and no money to be made. Time will tell.forever stuck in combat2 -
nimander99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭*Sad face emoji*I AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
∽∽∽ 2 years of Elder Scrolls Online ∼∼∼
"Give us money" = Box sales & monthly sub fees,
"moar!" = £10 palomino horse,
"MOAR!" = Switch to B2P, launch cash shop,
"MOAR!!" = Charge for DLC that subs had already paid for,
"MOAR!!!" = Experience scrolls and riding lessons,
"MOARR!!!" = Vampire/werewolf bites,
"MOAARRR!!!" = CS exclusive motifs,
"MOOAARRR!!!" = Crown crates,
"MOOOAAARRR!!!" = 'Chapter's' bought separately from ESO+,
"MOOOOAAAARRRR!!!!" = ???
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nimander99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its not just ESO... Its every single game in every genre. Sports games? Loot crates... Racing games? Buy car's...
I sense an Indi Revolution coming soon. Some company or group of programmer's is going to go back to the way games used to be, 59.99 with 1 or 2 expansion for 29.99 that are actual expansions and the entire gaming community is going to go bonkers like this is a new thing. Then that company will become mega rich, Name Brand will get famous, then Activision will buy them and utterly destroy the title and thus the vicious cycle continues.
We are at the point where, if a developer isn't as bad as EA everyone cheers and sighs in relief
I AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
∽∽∽ 2 years of Elder Scrolls Online ∼∼∼
"Give us money" = Box sales & monthly sub fees,
"moar!" = £10 palomino horse,
"MOAR!" = Switch to B2P, launch cash shop,
"MOAR!!" = Charge for DLC that subs had already paid for,
"MOAR!!!" = Experience scrolls and riding lessons,
"MOARR!!!" = Vampire/werewolf bites,
"MOAARRR!!!" = CS exclusive motifs,
"MOOAARRR!!!" = Crown crates,
"MOOOAAARRR!!!" = 'Chapter's' bought separately from ESO+,
"MOOOOAAAARRRR!!!!" = ???
Male, Dunmer, VR16, Templar, Aldmeri Dominion, Master Crafter & all Traits, CP45010 -
Vimora✭✭✭✭Bbsample197 wrote: »go and play asian mmos, your view of P2W items will change drastically
GW2 and BDO are full-on p2w. Compared to those ESO has no p2w in it.4 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is getting tiresome. ESO is nothing like pay to win. What I see is a bunch of cry babies whining becuase they can’t some digital cosmetics and want to take it away from people who put the effort into being successful enough to afford silly things.17 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not enough load screens, lag so...Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.0 -
woe✭✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »
Morrowind is content and not pay to win. Wardens aren't some OP BiS class, they are equal.
Crates aren't pay to win, they are cosmetic.
XP scrolls aren't pay to win either. Even if you leveled obscenely fast they don't give you gear or knowledge on how to play. Congrats on being a level 50 "healer/dps/tank" all-in-one with random shitter gear.
I bet you think skins in PoE are pay to win too right?uwu10 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »
Morrowind is content and not pay to win. Wardens aren't some OP BiS class, they are equal.
Crates aren't pay to win, they are cosmetic.
XP scrolls aren't pay to win either. Even if you leveled obscenely fast they don't give you gear or knowledge on how to play. Congrats on being a level 50 "healer/dps/tank" all-in-one with random shitter gear.
I bet you think skins in PoE are pay to win too right?
although I have not played POE much so far I have not encountered any content that you have to pay for
Also Neverwinter nights everything can be accessed in game you do not have to pay for any content
ESO was the same with a sub you could get everything but since morrowind more and more stuff you have to pay cash for like the vid you have to pay to access areas bank space repairs xp etc I don't mind paying for stuff if the game is free or paying a sub to get everything but when they start charging for everything and expect you to pay for the game too it's getting ridiculous1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I mean common, you can't really expect them to keep putting out content for no cost. I think the sub fee is fairly reasonable especially since you get crowns with it. All the crown crates and cosmetic stuff is up to you. You can very easily avoid it all or just save up for something you really want when you have enough sub crowns or gem extractions from free crates.8 -
Jarryzzt✭✭✭✭monktoasty wrote: »Pay to win cam be interpreted different ways. In traditional mmorpgs you win rewards by doing quests. Here..you pay for them..pay to win items.
This is not really correct. Pay-to-win in gaming explicitly means a paying player receives a significant in-game advantage, especially in PVP, viz. non-paying players. Example - a deliberately ridiculous one - imagine if CP bonuses were only turned on for active ESO+ subscribers. Or if every set item had to be purchased in the Crown Store, i.e. for real money.
As is, there is nothing like that in ESO. Almost everything in the Crown Store is either cosmetic or tangential - mount riding speed or whatever. That's not P2W, by definition, just as the Solar System is not geocentric, also by definition. One might argue that paying subs get faster XP to grind out their CP level...but that does not mean P2W by any stretch, that's pretty much how most (all?) F2P MMO models work, and the difference is usually not very large (an extra week/month/whatever to grind out the level cap?).
Viz. the actual video. Most of it complains not about P2W but about gating things like DLCs behind real-world currency (I am omitting the bit about getting arrows for one's bow from loot boxes, which I presume to be exaggerated satire because I can't think of a single viable MMO that stupid). Which, of course, takes me back to my younger days of gaming, when DLC didn't exist at all, and one had to wait two to five times as long (up to a year or more) for full-blown expansions priced at roughly 50% of the original game - sometimes a bit less, depending on the expansion I suppose. Nothing new under the sun, in a way, except back then I don't recall quite as many complaints about the business model.7 -
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✭✭✭Bbsample197 wrote: »go and play asian mmos, your view of P2W items will change drastically
GW2 and BDO are full-on p2w. Compared to those ESO has no p2w in it.
Gw2 is not P2w really, but Pay to save time, cause its so easy to get the max tier gear in that game its all just cosmetics after that2 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭monktoasty wrote: »Pay to win cam be interpreted different ways. In traditional mmorpgs you win rewards by doing quests. Here..you pay for them..pay to win items.
This is not really correct. Pay-to-win in gaming explicitly means a paying player receives a significant in-game advantage, especially in PVP, viz. non-paying players. Example - a deliberately ridiculous one - imagine if CP bonuses were only turned on for active ESO+ subscribers. Or if every set item had to be purchased in the Crown Store, i.e. for real money.
As is, there is nothing like that in ESO. Almost everything in the Crown Store is either cosmetic or tangential - mount riding speed or whatever. That's not P2W, by definition, just as the Solar System is not geocentric, also by definition. One might argue that paying subs get faster XP to grind out their CP level...but that does not mean P2W by any stretch, that's pretty much how most (all?) F2P MMO models work, and the difference is usually not very large (an extra week/month/whatever to grind out the level cap?).
Viz. the actual video. Most of it complains not about P2W but about gating things like DLCs behind real-world currency (I am omitting the bit about getting arrows for one's bow from loot boxes, which I presume to be exaggerated satire because I can't think of a single viable MMO that stupid). Which, of course, takes me back to my younger days of gaming, when DLC didn't exist at all, and one had to wait two to five times as long (up to a year or more) for full-blown expansions priced at roughly 50% of the original game - sometimes a bit less, depending on the expansion I suppose. Nothing new under the sun, in a way, except back then I don't recall quite as many complaints about the business model.
actually i prefer that model a major expansion once eg diablo or elite dangerous minor dlc free all things unlocked for ever once you pay for it....straight and up front...rather than every month a new dungeon that you have to pay access or nickle and dime you for every little thing .0 -
Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Base game $20, the 4 DLC pack $20, Morrowind $20.
$60 game.
You miss out on 4 dungeons and clockwork city.
Sure you have to wait until its on sale.. but there is plenty of content to keep you busy until a sale shows up.
It really is fine. I bought crowns only for the DLC pack.
Maelstrom arena is the closest thing to pay to win and really only for hitting you PVE DPS high highs. Most of the content is do able without it, if you are good (good enough to do maelstrom). To transmute stuff all you need to do is join a good (trade)guild and someone will have a station in thier house. That is what I did. The Asylum weapons are they even good? Warden is pretty strong in PVP but terrible in PvE, but is that any different to other classes?
People need to be payed for thier art, I know you want free stuff, I want free stuff, I will squeeze every bit of value out of a game if you let me.5 -
Gorilla✭✭✭monktoasty wrote: »Pay to win cam be interpreted different ways. In traditional mmorpgs you win rewards by doing quests. Here..you pay for them..pay to win items.
For MMOs it has a common use meaning. That is P2W means a situation where spending real dollars gives you access to anything that you can't get IG, and which gives you a material competitive advantage. I include DLCs etc. as IG.
Like or dislike their commercial model, it is not P2W...yet.Edited by Gorilla on December 1, 2017 4:37AM3 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The only thing theyve done recently that I feel is questionable is a new class that is at its core connected to Morrowind and so you need to buy the Chapter to get the class. Otherwise the entirety of their Store and Gamble Boxes are built around Cosmetics and XP boosts (which lets be honest here....Its not like we dont have those available to use through Food and Events).
Its not unreasonable that newer content and thus stronger equipment and gear is going to drop in these new Zones. That has been the way of MMOs even when there was a subscription only model. If you wanted the new shinys. You got the new content.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax4 -
kyle.wilson✭✭✭✭✭
✭monktoasty wrote: »Pay to win cam be interpreted different ways. In traditional mmorpgs you win rewards by doing quests. Here..you pay for them..pay to win items.
For MMOs it has a common use meaning. That is P2W means a situation where spending real dollars gives you access to anything that you can't get IG, and which gives you a material competitive advantage.
Like or dislike their commercial model, it is not P2W...yet.
But the game definitely has become a pay for convenience now.
Between mount upgrades and unrestricted research scrolls (no limits on usage), they drastically cut the time a wealthy new player needs to max these out. Some could see this as pay to win in comparison with new players.
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