Even 660 CP Not Enough DPS for Bloodroot Forge Stoneheart (3rd Boss)!

bhagwad · October 2017

As a tank, I've killed this boss just ONCE on vet - and that was after a lot of wipes. But we couldn't get past the final boss.

Today, I've spent around 3 hours on this dungeon with several rotating 660 CP DPSers who couldn't kill the atronach's fast enough before nirncrux starts to explode from the ground. Once...just ONCE, we reached the "burn" phase of the boss and he survived with 35k health before we all wiped and reset.

I really need some tips for this dungeon. What can I do as a tank to give my group a better chance? I debuff the boss as much as I can with crusher/weaken enchants on infused Torugs, I have Ebon armor to give them more health, I spam shields over and over, I taunt, but it's not enough.

If even two 660 CP DPS players can win a DPS race, what hope is there?

code65536 · October 2017

You're not going to like what I'm about to suggest...

Find better DPS to play with. There's only so much that a tank can do, and there's nothing more you can do here if you are already supplying debuffs.

In general, once the boss starts activating atronachs, DPS should swap all focus to the atronach until they do. Once boss reaches the final burn phase, just focus boss down. In our runs, the atronachs barely get a chance to do their nirncrux tremor, and the boss dies before he's able to complete the mass-summoning of atronachs that he does when he's in his death throes (we've never actually seen what happens if that summoning completes).

You need decent DPS, but you don't need elite DPS. If the DPS in your group can reliably clear vRoM HM, then you can reliably clear vBloodroot without any issue. If the DPS in your group struggle with vRoM HM, then they're going to struggle here, too.

Finally, stop saying 660 CP like that means anything. I've seen plenty of CP-capped players who don't know how to DPS. And plenty of non-capped players who will blow most capped players out of the water. vMA completion (which you can usually tell by whether they use a vMA destro staff or a vMA bow) is a far better indicator of DPS quality than someone's CP level.

beetleklee · October 2017

I did it without much issue at around 350 CP, so I didn't have elite dps. The Mino boss was harder in my opinion. This wasn't done on hard mode though.
We had the healer on the blood brazier and the other DPS was on the fire brazier to stop the stonefall attack.
We saved ults for when the boss spawns the two copies (so there are three) and focus the weakest down, followed by the next weakest.
During the stone AOEs stay close to the healer, I found going outside the circle and back inside helps as well while avoiding the AOEs.

*Oops just realized you were talking about Stoneheart and not the final boss.

LadyNalcarya · October 2017

bhagwad wrote: »

If even two 660 CP DPS players can win a DPS race, what hope is there?

I'm sorry, but cp level doesnt mean much these days. I've seen cp capped players who spammed light attacks like there's no tomorrow. On the other hand, there's many cp300 players that are capable of getting nodeath achievements.
Any cp 300+ player can reach 20-25k dps (yes, even without animation cancelling), which is enough for pretty much anything except the most difficult raid content.

Make2k15 · October 2017

bhagwad wrote: »

As a tank, I've killed this boss just ONCE on vet - and that was after a lot of wipes. But we couldn't get past the final boss.

Today, I've spent around 3 hours on this dungeon with several rotating 660 CP DPSers who couldn't kill the atronach's fast enough before nirncrux starts to explode from the ground. Once...just ONCE, we reached the "burn" phase of the boss and he survived with 35k health before we all wiped and reset.

I really need some tips for this dungeon. What can I do as a tank to give my group a better chance? I debuff the boss as much as I can with crusher/weaken enchants on infused Torugs, I have Ebon armor to give them more health, I spam shields over and over, I taunt, but it's not enough.

If even two 660 CP DPS players can win a DPS race, what hope is there?

You need to stun that atronach (with frags, clench or something) when it starts doing that nirncrux aoe attack. So if you are dk tank then maybe you could use stone fist to stun that atronach to interrupt that aoe attack if the dds in your group are not very good.

In general, important thing you need to know as dd on these hotr dungeons is that you really need to use execute abilities (mages wrath, Radiant Oppression, Assassin's Blade) on some of the bosses (Stoneheart, Galchobhar, Earthgore Amalgam and Domihaus) to finish them. This is especially important on Domihaus fight where the boss has that shield at the execute stage.

Drummerx04 · October 2017

bhagwad wrote: »

As a tank, I've killed this boss just ONCE on vet - and that was after a lot of wipes. But we couldn't get past the final boss.

Today, I've spent around 3 hours on this dungeon with several rotating 660 CP DPSers who couldn't kill the atronach's fast enough before nirncrux starts to explode from the ground. Once...just ONCE, we reached the "burn" phase of the boss and he survived with 35k health before we all wiped and reset.

I really need some tips for this dungeon. What can I do as a tank to give my group a better chance? I debuff the boss as much as I can with crusher/weaken enchants on infused Torugs, I have Ebon armor to give them more health, I spam shields over and over, I taunt, but it's not enough.

If even two 660 CP DPS players can win a DPS race, what hope is there?

Yeah, basically find better DPS or encourage them to get better if they are close friends. In runs with my usual group we only have 1 dps split off to kill the stone atros, and the atros are generally dead before they even start the quake.

If both of your dps can't kill the atro, then either none of them are actually attacking it, or they both deal around 10k or less dps on average.

GrigorijMalahevich · October 2017

CP is not an indicator of skill... PvP rank, flawless title, drosomething destroyer title - are not indicators of high DPS or all dungeon mechanics, but are indicators of someone who understand how their class works and these people will adapt and learn quite fast compared to your avarage 660 cp dps with heavy attacks

s7732425ub17_ESO · October 2017

The new DLC dungeons actually require some skill to complete. Like it or not, the truth is that a lot of people are just plain bad at this game. Keep trying and you will eventually find people competent enough to do that content. I got to last boss with a CP 200 tank, and CP 160 DPS, me (CP 700 DPS), and CP 300 healer. And I can help carry other groups through it as well. You just have to find better players.

waitwhat · October 2017

It sounds like it's their problem and not yours, unless they kept dying randomly from a boss fireball.

Your job during that fight, as I'm sure you know, is pretty much to just taunt the boss and taunt the atro. Literally that's all I and any tank I've done it will have ever had to do.

Healer throws out heals and ideally purges the cc before every atro AoE.

DPS kills the atro within ten seconds of it arising.

But unless they're being killed by a de-aggroed main boss fireball on their way to the atro, it's not your fault.

SirDopey · October 2017

Get better DPS or make sure they're going after the atro's as soon as they spawned. Cleared this on my healer last night and our group's combined DPS was only 20k, so if our "not really all that good" dps got through it without a worry then the DPS in your group must be really poor.

gabriebe · October 2017

You don't need a whole lot of DPS, you just need group discipline. Too many times have I healed this dungeon to see only one DPS attack the stone atros.

Same for the minotaur boss. It becomes quite easy if everyone knows the role they have to do and follow the mechanics.

Cage_Lizardman · October 2017

Stoneheart only needs one decent dd who knows to target the atros. I think he's relatively easy. Either those dd's were not doing much damage, or they were not hitting the atros fast enough.

I've tried to pug this dungeon many times, as dd, only completed it twice.

Many groups can get up to the final boss, but you need an awesome tank+healer to handle that one. With pugs I spend half my time in that fight spamming boundless storm and running with the bosses after me, because the tank died.

Shaggygaming · October 2017

The game reached this point a long time ago. The combat system was never fixed properly which separated the small population of players who can achieve high DPS and those who cannot regardless of CP. As more and more people leave the game the horrible combat system becomes more exposed. I said this from the beginning when they started making content catered towards the high DPS players because they complained content was tooo easy.. Which it was but now we have a system where new content is still easy for high DPS players but becomes almost impossible for random groups. The combat system cannot support it.

Eyesinthedrk · October 2017

CP Inst a be all end all. You could get a 660 who’s taking a break from cyrodiil to run a dungeon in their impen heavy armor.

When you queue up for a pug dungeon, you place your bets and take your chances.

Karm1cOne · October 2017

Talk to your group. The dps just might not be paying attention to when they should be off the main boss. A callout when he does the red smoke to the atros might help.

vovus69 · October 2017

I remember one guy in Craglorn cp970 who asked about carry in Skyreach. I guess if you have two dps 20k-25k each you should be good and have a breathing room. The problem is that there is no way to tell in advance - is it the normal dps or carry guy from alikr dolmen sheep groups.

- vovus

Jawasa · October 2017

@Shaggygaming But this boss is not about high dps so you are completely wrong it's about going for the adds instead of the boss until last phase.

SupremeRissole · November 2017

As mentioned all that high CP tells me is you've owned the game for a while.
There are people who only play when enlightened. There are people who only do quests or PvP.
There are 350cp guys pulling 30k
There are 660cp guys pulling 5k

In terms of bloodroot, it's a DLC dungeon so traditionally it's going to be challenging with a PUG.
1 x DPS targets the attros.
At 20% everyone drops ultis on boss and the attros barely even stand up.

Shaggygaming · November 2017

Jawasa wrote: »

@Shaggygaming But this boss is not about high dps so you are completely wrong it's about going for the adds instead of the boss until last phase.

It was a general statement about the combat system and the struggles of using group finder with random players. Also, I am not completely wrong try doing the mechanics with low DPS and see where it gets you.

TankHealz2015 · November 2017

bhagwad wrote: »

As a tank, I've killed this boss just ONCE on vet - and that was after a lot of wipes. But we couldn't get past the final boss.

Today, I've spent around 3 hours on this dungeon with several rotating 660 CP DPSers who couldn't kill the atronach's fast enough before nirncrux starts to explode from the ground. Once...just ONCE, we reached the "burn" phase of the boss and he survived with 35k health before we all wiped and reset.

I really need some tips for this dungeon. What can I do as a tank to give my group a better chance? I debuff the boss as much as I can with crusher/weaken enchants on infused Torugs, I have Ebon armor to give them more health, I spam shields over and over, I taunt, but it's not enough.

If even two 660 CP DPS players can win a DPS race, what hope is there?

I've been watching and studying you tube videos with similar struggles. This is probably the best video I've seen. The team is so very coordinated with their approach, aggro, ultimates, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rdjLOzsLbY

if link does not work: go to YouTube and search: ESO DK Tank Bloodroot Forge Vet HM speed run

It should pop up first.

Enjoy