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ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A
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Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Considering the add on actually plays part of the game for you, it should not be allowed.
The only people that want it are the ones who have come to rely on it, when in reality it is giving them information they should've never had in the first place.6 -
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✭✭✭✭killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »This is a disgusting add on and gives a huge advantage to people who don't use it. If ZOS wants players to have the ability to be telegraphed when they will get hit and eliminate the element of surprise, then ZOS should bake it into the base game. This add on makes a mockery of people who play the game fair and square. Add ons like this dumb down the game and reduce the level of skill required to win.
no... the fact that ZOS is not fixing this is the problem here. ZOS is continuing to allow this information to be accessible for addons. Would you prefer Miats addon to be private and only used by a select elite of players? At least now anyone can download it and install it and level the playing field.
I would prefer ALL changes to game mechanics and META of the game to be decided and eventually changed by the developers, certainly not Miat. Its not his game so its not up to him to decide what skills and classes and game mechanics should be allowed. Today with the addon working as he intended it, this is what he does. And I dont even play any stealth based toons (Thats for you and your presumtions Feanor. SOmetimes its right to just stand up for what is right instead of stay silent in favour of what is wrong)
Kind of sounds loke you're both agreeing that it's on ZOS.
Yes ZOS *should* be deciding this - and in fact they have due to the fact that the addon is possible. If they are changing their mind - great. I can get behind that.Considering the add on actually plays part of the game for you, it should not be allowed.
The only people that want it are the ones who have come to rely on it, when in reality it is giving them information they should've never had in the first place.
Not really.
If it played part of the game, then it would be blocking/dodging automatically - which it doesn't. It is simply an alert popping up on the screen like the base-game 'block-now' text you get in PVE (if its turned on).
The player still needs to hit the block/dodge key themselves.
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✭It's like with steroids and sports. It shouldn't be allowed. Period. If one uses any of all these drugs and what not, everyone who doesn't is at disadvantage. Not that you ruin your health or risk your life using these kinds of things, but common? There are so many things you can install on PC, the whole game is ruined. I mean, all the "aid" you get makes the game a walk in the park. it shouldn't be that way, and everyone else shouldn't need to keep updated on all kinds of crap you can install.
It's like with most other things, if you allow one thing - you'll need to argue on why you don't allow another, and the boundaries are pushed further and further out, and before you know it you'll need to allow pretty much everything. That's mainly why I play this game on console.0 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭I think ZOS should take a totally different stance on this. Actually the game gives most of the clues that Miat's addon gives, only in less obvious form - sights and sounds instead of a text warning on your screen. Considering how messy and laggy fights in Cyro often turn, most of those clues just get lost in the heat of the battle (or in the utter absence of sound). So just add optional text warnings for incoming attacks that the game warns about anyways, and everybody will be on even ground again.2 -
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✭✭✭✭visionality wrote: »I think ZOS should take a totally different stance on this. Actually the game gives most of the clues that Miat's addon gives, only in less obvious form - sights and sounds instead of a text warning on your screen. Considering how messy and laggy fights in Cyro often turn, most of those clues just get lost in the heat of the battle (or in the utter absence of sound). So just add optional text warnings for incoming attacks that the game warns about anyways, and everybody will be on even ground again.
The game doesn't warn you that an opponent outside of your camera view (or in stealth) is charging up an attack, there's no cue whatsoever for that (nor should there be).
Nor for incoming projectiles before they even enter your camera view - that's like having a radar.
I'm all for having better cues for certain things (though Snipe for example is already very obvious), but there's so much more the addon does than just provide combat cues that are already there.Edited by DDuke on November 22, 2017 2:11PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A
Got to laugh at this threads title. Over 950 posts on this tread alone and several more on others complaining about Miats addon.
The addon is still being used and ZOS has done nothing about it except to say "We are looking into it".
ZOS updated their opinion on it, they don't like it.
Likely because a bunch of entitled children simply cant take no for an answer and they're tired of reading it on the forums.0 -
Zorvan✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A
Got to laugh at this threads title. Over 950 posts on this tread alone and several more on others complaining about Miats addon.
The addon is still being used and ZOS has done nothing about it except to say "We are looking into it".
ZOS updated their opinion on it, they don't like it.
Likely because a bunch of entitled children simply cant take no for an answer and they're tired of reading it on the forums.
You mean those who think they're entitled to do what they want, like Miat?Edited by Zorvan on November 22, 2017 2:18PMI've been muted since November 2017 because of the whiny crybabies on this forum and the liberal ZOS employees coddling them.5 -
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✭✭killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »This is a disgusting add on and gives a huge advantage to people who don't use it. If ZOS wants players to have the ability to be telegraphed when they will get hit and eliminate the element of surprise, then ZOS should bake it into the base game. This add on makes a mockery of people who play the game fair and square. Add ons like this dumb down the game and reduce the level of skill required to win.
no... the fact that ZOS is not fixing this is the problem here. ZOS is continuing to allow this information to be accessible for addons. Would you prefer Miats addon to be private and only used by a select elite of players? At least now anyone can download it and install it and level the playing field.
I would prefer ALL changes to game mechanics and META of the game to be decided and eventually changed by the developers, certainly not Miat. Its not his game so its not up to him to decide what skills and classes and game mechanics should be allowed. Today with the addon working as he intended it, this is what he does. And I dont even play any stealth based toons (Thats for you and your presumtions Feanor. SOmetimes its right to just stand up for what is right instead of stay silent in favour of what is wrong)
Kind of sounds loke you're both agreeing that it's on ZOS.
Yes ZOS *should* be deciding this - and in fact they have due to the fact that the addon is possible. If they are changing their mind - great. I can get behind that.
As Paul Sage wrote in the matter of restricted API calls, the initial intention was to stop anything that could be used for automation with i.e. Macros or Autoclickers and that, from the developers point of view, was information about other players never intended to be passed on through the API. It seems that after Paul left it was decided to have a more liberal view on what API calls to pass through, maybe it was in conjunction with putting more of the previous client work on the server, I don't remember. In any case it is very much welcome that they are taking a close look at it again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/21cgkf/zos_paulsage_followup_recent_changes_to_api/Considering the add on actually plays part of the game for you, it should not be allowed.
The only people that want it are the ones who have come to rely on it, when in reality it is giving them information they should've never had in the first place.
Not really.
If it played part of the game, then it would be blocking/dodging automatically - which it doesn't. It is simply an alert popping up on the screen like the base-game 'block-now' text you get in PVE (if its turned on).
The player still needs to hit the block/dodge key themselves.
The problem is that even though the official Add by itself doesn't provide automation, it is a no brainer to combine what the Add provides through the API or even puts up on your screen with an Autoclicker. Just google it +ESO and you'll see how bad it is.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?1 -
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✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A
Got to laugh at this threads title. Over 950 posts on this tread alone and several more on others complaining about Miats addon.
The addon is still being used and ZOS has done nothing about it except to say "We are looking into it".
ZOS updated their opinion on it, they don't like it.
Likely because a bunch of entitled children simply cant take no for an answer and they're tired of reading it on the forums.
Which "no" are you referring to?
Or are you just talking out of your arse so that you get to call people "entitled children" (real mature btw)?Raid addons counter npc play. Remove raid addons as well
That'd be a separate topic. I do think RaidNotifier for example provides a huge advantage to its users, even permitting people to skip mechanics in some cases.
E.g. try fighting Hunter-Killers in vHoF with the nuke tactic without RaidNotifier telling you exactly when to dodge snipes from those spheres.
Still, it doesn't negatively affect other people and their builds by existing, so it's less toxic & harmful to the game.
That said, being able to skip designed mechanics thanks to an addon should never be a thing.Edited by DDuke on November 22, 2017 3:44PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Or the game could be more clear about mechanics and have a better interface, rendering addons moot in that regard. The base game UI and the combat cues are awful.Edited by Feanor on November 22, 2017 5:27PMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Or the game could be more clear about mechanics and have a better interface, rendering addons moot in that regard. The base game UI and the combat cues are awful.
Maybe it's just not intended to have your hands held. I swear modern gamers just need to be spoonfed like little children.
You can learn even without addons.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A
Got to laugh at this threads title. Over 950 posts on this tread alone and several more on others complaining about Miats addon.
The addon is still being used and ZOS has done nothing about it except to say "We are looking into it".
ZOS updated their opinion on it, they don't like it.
Likely because a bunch of entitled children simply cant take no for an answer and they're tired of reading it on the forums.
You mean those who think they're entitled to do what they want, like Miat?
You are in no way different to Miat.
You think just because you can shout loudest, what you say is the truth. It dont shake that way.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 22, 2017 5:55PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Or the game could be more clear about mechanics and have a better interface, rendering addons moot in that regard. The base game UI and the combat cues are awful.
Maybe it's just not intended to have your hands held. I swear modern gamers just need to be spoonfed like little children.
You can learn even without addons.
I neither use Miat’s notifications nor Raid Notifier. And I think the base game UI and the way the game shows and „explains“ mechanics is terrible. These are not contradictory.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A
Got to laugh at this threads title. Over 950 posts on this tread alone and several more on others complaining about Miats addon.
The addon is still being used and ZOS has done nothing about it except to say "We are looking into it".
ZOS updated their opinion on it, they don't like it.
Likely because a bunch of entitled children simply cant take no for an answer and they're tired of reading it on the forums.
You mean those who think they're entitled to do what they want, like Miat?
You are in no way different to Miat.
You think just because you can shout loudest, what you say is the truth. It dont shake that way.
You sure make a lot of ad hominem attacks and cite very few facts for someone who pretends to master the rules of debating.
It's a fact Paul Sage wanted to close the API, and it's a fact that ZOS are "not comfortable" with how things are at the moment. It's also a fact that some time ago, they said there was nothing wrong with the addon.
Speculating that ZOS are inquiring about the addon because some people complained, and insulting them ("entitled children"), bring nothing to the debate.
It only shows you don't really have a leg to stand on.
But anyway - this bickering would not take place if ZOS were more consistent and reactive in their policies, and communicated more.
PC/EU. NoCP PvP. sDK Orc IRL. Flawless tamperor. Pro scrub.2 -
Zorvan✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A
Got to laugh at this threads title. Over 950 posts on this tread alone and several more on others complaining about Miats addon.
The addon is still being used and ZOS has done nothing about it except to say "We are looking into it".
ZOS updated their opinion on it, they don't like it.
Likely because a bunch of entitled children simply cant take no for an answer and they're tired of reading it on the forums.
You mean those who think they're entitled to do what they want, like Miat?
You are in no way different to Miat.
You think just because you can shout loudest, what you say is the truth. It dont shake that way.
I'm very different. I don't make addons, much less addons that cheat, for games.I've been muted since November 2017 because of the whiny crybabies on this forum and the liberal ZOS employees coddling them.0 -
JonnytheKing✭✭✭✭✭Just ban the bum Miat and be done with it.
Doesn't matter if it is cheating or not. If you play PvP it is absolutely necessary to use macros and addons in order to have an even playing field.
Which is why the gaming world considers ESO pvp to be laughable at best and ignorable at worst.
Can i ask why you think miat should be banned for making a addon that didnt break ZOS TOS ?TWITCH jtk__gaming
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JonnytheKing✭✭✭✭✭Miat's addon is like steroids in any fighting league.
It probably shrinks your package too.
EDIT: It's funny because if you have to explain why it's not cheating it probably is. Kind of like how a joke that requires an explanation isn't funny.
Miat, your addon is a joke that requires an explanation.
LOL this made me luagh sooooo hardTWITCH jtk__gaming
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JonnytheKing✭✭✭✭✭ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A
Got to laugh at this threads title. Over 950 posts on this tread alone and several more on others complaining about Miats addon.
The addon is still being used and ZOS has done nothing about it except to say "We are looking into it".
ZOS updated their opinion on it, they don't like it.
They said that and are doing something because of this some what friendly threadTWITCH jtk__gaming
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JonnytheKing✭✭✭✭✭Shardan4968 wrote: »Please don't start this stupid and pointless disussion again. We just need ZOS response as they promised. No need to make another 30 pages of the same arguments.
AMAN to that
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cyx54tc✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Just to let everyone know, we have been keeping a close eye on this thread and everyone's feedback on these types of addons. We can tell you that we're planning to make some changes to our API to disallow some aspects that we're simply not comfortable with. This is all actively in progress, and we'll let you know exactly what we plan to change when we have a better idea of when we'll be rolling it out; we want to give our addon developers a warning so they have a chance to iterate.
its over a month now can we get some updates on this?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A
Got to laugh at this threads title. Over 950 posts on this tread alone and several more on others complaining about Miats addon.
The addon is still being used and ZOS has done nothing about it except to say "We are looking into it".
ZOS updated their opinion on it, they don't like it.
Likely because a bunch of entitled children simply cant take no for an answer and they're tired of reading it on the forums.
You mean those who think they're entitled to do what they want, like Miat?
You are in no way different to Miat.
You think just because you can shout loudest, what you say is the truth. It dont shake that way.
You sure make a lot of ad hominem attacks and cite very few facts for someone who pretends to master the rules of debating.
It's a fact Paul Sage wanted to close the API, and it's a fact that ZOS are "not comfortable" with how things are at the moment. It's also a fact that some time ago, they said there was nothing wrong with the addon.
Speculating that ZOS are inquiring about the addon because some people complained, and insulting them ("entitled children"), bring nothing to the debate.
It only shows you don't really have a leg to stand on.
But anyway - this bickering would not take place if ZOS were more consistent and reactive in their policies, and communicated more.
You seem to assume I style myself as 'master of debating'. The truth is I argue as best I can and have never found it easy to walk away from a fight.
ZOS are 'not comfortable' with negative press. ZOS are 'not comfortable' with a thread like this from one of the most voltile audiences. That's why this is happening, not because they actually have a problem with an addon.
There is nothing -to- debate. You have bludgeoned these people into doing your bidding and there is nothing more to it. The screeching children of the PVP crowd are placated once again, this isn't news, it's force of habit.
I'm just not shy about saying it. You can deny it all you like, but the fact is, ZOS was content to let this be until the PVP crowd grabbed a megaphone and created a thread that went viral. Which means one of two things. That they genuinely reconsidered, unlikely, considering they were fine with it, or that they responded to the intense discontent in the PVP community, which they have a track record of doing. (Despite your inevitable response declaring yourself the victim who is never lisened to, we have multiple changes that -only- benefit the PVP audience, sustain changes among them. Do not *** on my head and tell me it is colovian ale.)
But again, this isn't news. It's consistant, and is for anyone who isn't biased, blind, or new.
As for 'communicating', we're geting additional AMA's or the idea was tossed around the last time a thread on communication was raised. The problem, reallly, is what feedback they take and what they dont, and no one is going to be satisfied if that's the game we play.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 24, 2017 12:41AM1 -
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✭LiquidPony wrote: »If Miat's add-on is "cheating," is Raid Notifier "cheating" as well?
Quite possibly. I think that's the reason why the LUA hasn't been changed yet. It would probably deactivate this add-on at the same time.
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✭JonnytheKing wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »Please don't start this stupid and pointless disussion again. We just need ZOS response as they promised. No need to make another 30 pages of the same arguments.
AMAN to that
When we stop talking, they seem to forget about it.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Any updates on the UI changes that were coming?Edited by kyle.wilson on December 3, 2017 7:42PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Any updates since your last post in here ? Any information at all ? Have anyone even decided a course of action yet ?5 -
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✭✭✭I was wondering the same thing. There was a " we are going to do something " and then absolute silence.....1
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