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Just how are you supposed to beat magicka nightblades 1v1?
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A typical magblade in PvP is simultaneously fearing, stunning, knocking back, healing, dealing insane single-target damage, defiling, snaring, and rooting. On top of that, they have easy resource return, 100% uptime on major and minor defenses as well as stealth detection / enemy resistance reduction, tons of mobility bonuses, minor berserk, and incredible ultimates with passives that generate ultimate at insane rates. Throw in some resource drain poisons and absolutely nothing can compete one-on-one.
Nightblade single-target damage in PvP is ridiculous and they have practically no drawbacks. They have access to an absurd number of buffs, most of which are automatic or 20+ seconds in length. They don't have to stop their offense to continue healing, save for the occasional shield stack.
I have never seen a class annihilate people as hard as magicka nightblades when in the right hands. As a magicka templar, even with 3k crit resist, 26k health, 41k magicka, and automatic maim of enemies, I feel completely and utterly outclassed, able to do nothing but spam heals as my resources are drained and I slowly die. If I manage to get any offense in, the opponent just CCs me into oblivion, pops a healing ward, and is back at full health and offensive capability in seconds.
Nightblade single-target damage in PvP is ridiculous and they have practically no drawbacks. They have access to an absurd number of buffs, most of which are automatic or 20+ seconds in length. They don't have to stop their offense to continue healing, save for the occasional shield stack.
I have never seen a class annihilate people as hard as magicka nightblades when in the right hands. As a magicka templar, even with 3k crit resist, 26k health, 41k magicka, and automatic maim of enemies, I feel completely and utterly outclassed, able to do nothing but spam heals as my resources are drained and I slowly die. If I manage to get any offense in, the opponent just CCs me into oblivion, pops a healing ward, and is back at full health and offensive capability in seconds.
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✭✭✭✭I feel your pain, I struggle like crazy against good magblades. Without Healing Ward and the Resto ult they are but mortals; with these things however they are as gods.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Its easy..
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✭✭✭✭Block or dodge the Assassin's Will.
It's really hard to put meaningful burst on someone without the bow, if you can consistently prevent a burst combo tied to the bow then you should control the fight.
The other thing is, don't let the mageblade control the pace of the fight, if you let a competent mageblade dictate and force the pace of the fight it is going to be very difficult to get off your back foot. You HAVE to force the mageblade to react to your offense because if you allow him to keep his offensive window open then he will be able to punish hard when you make a mistake.
The biggest weakness to mageblade, imo, is that if you counter cloak they can't hard-reset a fight(without resto ult, you're not killing anyone using resto ult on cooldown). This means that you can put them in a bad position and as long as you keep the pressure and avoid Will-Ulti combos you'll usually win the fight.Edited by Lexxypwns on November 21, 2017 4:39PM5 -
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✭✭Block or dodge the Assassin's Will.
It's really hard to put meaningful burst on someone with the bow, if you can consistently prevent a burst combo tied to the bow then you should control the fight.
The other thing is, don't let the mageblade control the pace of the fight, if you let a competent mageblade dictate and force the pace of the fight it is going to be very difficult to get off your back foot. You HAVE to force the mageblade to react to your offense because if you allow him to keep his offensive window open then he will be able to punish hard when you make a mistake.
The biggest weakness to mageblade, imo, is that if you counter cloak they can't hard-reset a fight(without resto ult, you're not killing anyone using resto ult on cooldown). This means that you can put them in a bad position and as long as you keep the pressure and avoid Will-Ulti combos you'll usually win the fight.
I believe you meant to say "It's really hard to put meaningful burst on someone withOUT the bow"
But yeah, really, that's all there is to fighting magblades. Deny their burst and pressure them on as many levels as you can (CC, constant damage etc.). Now I'm not saying that its always easy, but when you know what to do, its not very hard either.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭Once again, I'm playing a magicka templar, so the ability to burst is non-existent.
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✭✭✭✭Block or dodge the Assassin's Will.
It's really hard to put meaningful burst on someone with the bow, if you can consistently prevent a burst combo tied to the bow then you should control the fight.
The other thing is, don't let the mageblade control the pace of the fight, if you let a competent mageblade dictate and force the pace of the fight it is going to be very difficult to get off your back foot. You HAVE to force the mageblade to react to your offense because if you allow him to keep his offensive window open then he will be able to punish hard when you make a mistake.
The biggest weakness to mageblade, imo, is that if you counter cloak they can't hard-reset a fight(without resto ult, you're not killing anyone using resto ult on cooldown). This means that you can put them in a bad position and as long as you keep the pressure and avoid Will-Ulti combos you'll usually win the fight.
I believe you meant to say "It's really hard to put meaningful burst on someone withOUT the bow"
But yeah, really, that's all there is to fighting magblades. Deny their burst and pressure them on as many levels as you can (CC, constant damage etc.). Now I'm not saying that its always easy, but when you know what to do, its not very hard either.
yeah, that's what I meant.Once again, I'm playing a magicka templar, so the ability to burst is non-existent.
Magplar plays similar to mageblade for burst in that its a deliberate burst mechanic. You have to build damage for 6 seconds with PL to create burst, he has to weave 5 light attacks then will proc to burst.
Now, your burst mechanic also times out perfectly with your native CC immunity, this means you can get your damage off with exceptional timing. At that point the NB has to either hold his CC to interrupt your burst or use it as part of his own burst, if he's able to do both then he's just outplaying you tbh. If you're keeping him out of cloak then your DoTs(reflective light, spear) will pressure him nicely while building the PL damage counter, get a sweep in and CC just before PL explodes, time it with an execute.Edited by Lexxypwns on November 21, 2017 4:44PM1 -
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✭✭It's hard to control any aspect of the fight because of everything I said in the OP. The sheer offensive capability and buffs / debuffs make it nigh-impossible to do anything but remain on the defensive the vast majority of the fight. Magicka nightblade utterly trashes magicka templar 1v1. Resource drain poisons are a big problem here, too. Those things really have no place in this game to begin with.EP: Slania Isara : Harambe Was an Inside Job3 -
CavalryPK✭✭✭✭✭Part 1:
Playing maglbade is like dancing to certain beat/ tempo. Magblades have this amazing skill that I hate with all my heart. It is called Merciless Resolve. Basically our burst comes every 5 light attacks we get this skill called spectral bow. If you don't block or dodge you will be a trouble. Most of the vet pvpers dodge or block it since... the bow travel time is slower the most of the skills and even after CC you have plenty of time to brake free and dodge/block.
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Magblade is strongest and tankiest if they are on offensive. because of this skill called Funnel health/leeching strikes.
basically each time funnel and light attack hits you.. they heal for roughly 1-2k dmg. So if you push them on defensive.. they do not heal and are most likely to die.
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Magblades weakness is snares and roots. we only have like 10k ish stam so if you root / snare us and force us to dodge... and then CC us we are toast.
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Anticipate the income burst.
if they harvest you during the fight ... that means they will follow up with SPectral bow (20% more dmg). which is like 15k dmg.
If they drop a metior on your face. expect a fear before the metior hits and spectral bow.
part 5.
ranges magblades are at disadvantage when it comes to LOS and stambuilds that can just run away . which means you can go reset the fight and start over and over... until one of your combos work.
part 6;
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Warden shimmering shield or whatever it is called.
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✭✭A typical magblade in PvP is simultaneously fearing, stunning, knocking back, healing, dealing insane single-target damage, defiling, snaring, and rooting. On top of that, they have easy resource return, 100% uptime on major and minor defenses as well as stealth detection / enemy resistance reduction, tons of mobility bonuses, minor berserk, and incredible ultimates with passives that generate ultimate at insane rates. Throw in some resource drain poisons and absolutely nothing can compete one-on-one.
Nightblade single-target damage in PvP is ridiculous and they have practically no drawbacks. They have access to an absurd number of buffs, most of which are automatic or 20+ seconds in length. They don't have to stop their offense to continue healing, save for the occasional shield stack.
I have never seen a class annihilate people as hard as magicka nightblades when in the right hands. As a magicka templar, even with 3k crit resist, 26k health, 41k magicka, and automatic maim of enemies, I feel completely and utterly outclassed, able to do nothing but spam heals as my resources are drained and I slowly die. If I manage to get any offense in, the opponent just CCs me into oblivion, pops a healing ward, and is back at full health and offensive capability in seconds.
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✭✭✭✭✭Once again, I'm playing a magicka templar, so the ability to burst is non-existent.
POTL and UC have really become decent burst IMO. Particularly on a magblade who likely is not running anything to purge it. Solar barrage can be timed as well to add some burst by delaying damage. Just check out what JackDaniell did with it here:
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✭✭✭✭✭Once again, I'm playing a magicka templar, so the ability to burst is non-existent.
You're going to have a hard time killing them if they are good. As others have pointed out, you cannot play defensively or react to their movies because that is when NB is at their strongest offensive and defensively (this is unfortunate because templar best defense is reactive [burst healing)].
Their cripple skill will totally screw you over because it can be spammed and when you are rooted you can't use your charge and your best DPS skill has zero chance of hitting the. They have better resource sustain then you, they have better incoming HoTs than you, they have better burst damage than you, they are mobile and you are not, they have better ultimates than you. If you let them dictates the term of the fight, they will beat you.
You've got to be all over them, not allowing them to comfortably set up their weaves and deadly combos. Many NBs will only run 10-11K stamina and rely on cloak and shades to get them out of trouble. Force them to use their stamina (CC break, roots). Of course, you're a templar and Wrobel has seen fit to give you neither of these so use reflect and/or Unstable Core. You are probably using a sword and shield so maybe run Defensive Posture. If you keep that up every seven seconds, you will stun the NB on cooldown. If you're lucky, you'll get them to Cripple themselves (or even more rarely, spectral bow). Don't count on that because 9 times out of 10, it's just going to be a light attack. That's fine, it still stuns. Unstable Core forces the NB to use their stamina to CC break or they'll eat damage every second they attack you. Note: you lose the that CC break or damage benefits of this skill if the target has CC immunity (you still get the explosion). So it doesn't pair too well with traditional stuns. You've got to keep Purifying Light and your Sunfire Dot on them because they will avoid your Sweeps when they get in trouble.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.5 -
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✭✭✭Teach me how to Mag NB. I have 12 Mag NB's and always die.
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CavalryPK✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Once again, I'm playing a magicka templar, so the ability to burst is non-existent.
Their cripple skill will totally screw you over because it can be spammed and when you are rooted you can't use your charge and your best DPS skill has zero chance of hitting the. They have better resource sustain then you, they have better incoming HoTs than you, they have better burst damage than you, they are mobile and you are not, they have better ultimates than you. If you let them dictates the term of the fight, they will beat you.
This paragraph alone sounds scary.... honestly I had plenty of magplars wipe the floor with my faceTHE CAVELRY HAS ARRIVED! Cav is a professional magblade, (in his not so professional opinion). He is immortal and is fighting for the Pact since 2E 572, amidst the turmoil of the Second Akaviri Invasion. He protects the provinces of Skyrim, Morrowind and Black Marsh.
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CavalryPK✭✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Teach me how to Mag NB. I have 12 Mag NB's and always die.
quality of quantity !THE CAVELRY HAS ARRIVED! Cav is a professional magblade, (in his not so professional opinion). He is immortal and is fighting for the Pact since 2E 572, amidst the turmoil of the Second Akaviri Invasion. He protects the provinces of Skyrim, Morrowind and Black Marsh.
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✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Once again, I'm playing a magicka templar, so the ability to burst is non-existent.
Their cripple skill will totally screw you over because it can be spammed and when you are rooted you can't use your charge and your best DPS skill has zero chance of hitting the. They have better resource sustain then you, they have better incoming HoTs than you, they have better burst damage than you, they are mobile and you are not, they have better ultimates than you. If you let them dictates the term of the fight, they will beat you.
This paragraph alone sounds scary.... honestly I had plenty of magplars wipe the floor with my face
It is scary. If I were a NB, I might write something like this.
Their Purifying Light skill will totally screw you over because it stores zergbaddies' damage and pulls you out of cloak and when you are pulled out of cloak you have to rely on your 11K stam pool to survive. They can block, you cant. They can purge, you can't. If they slot Unstable Core and know how to use it, you're range and mobility isn't going to help you out very much. They can burst you down without even trying, meanwhile you have to go through an elaborate preparation. If you don't dictate terms of the fight, you will die from an unfortunate combination of Skoria, Purifying Light, and Unstable Core.
It's all about perspective.Edited by Joy_Division on November 21, 2017 7:08PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.9 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭This gives my Magicka Templar its best chance:
1) Use Magicka Cost Increase Poisons...
2) Use Immovable Pots with Stealth Detection (I keep a big stack on me at all times)...
3) Pressure the living hell out of them until they break (if you are lucky they will)...
All of that said, most of my fights against good Magblades end up in dead draws...
Earlier today in Imperial City, me and a Mageblade fought for over 10 minutes until we both broke it off, and gave each other a thumbs up...
If well played, they are very, very, strong opponents...Unyeilding Bias
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✭✭✭Well I wouldn’t say your typical mageblade is anywhere close to the level you describe. But the good ones are indeed a tough fight 1v1. In fact, it is one of the best duel specs due to their high burst damage and CC’s. How do you beat it? Gonna vary class to class. Here are a couple of universal concepts to keep in mind when facing mageblades tho.
1.) Mageblades rely on controlling you with crippling grasp to dominate the fight. Deny this by staying in their face, and they will struggle. How you do that will depend on your class.
2.) Against a good player who can maintain their resources and properly mitigate the burst, mageblade will need to use flame clench to secure the kill. Clench can be blocked and dodged. Deny the clench, deny the kill
3.) Good mageblades will only die if you can burst them down in one global down. Otherwise they will shield up and top their health off in seconds flat. Time your burst in those fleeting windows. If you do not have the burst to kill a mageblade in that window, don’t bother.
Mageblade is one of the tougher classes to play, but likewise a good mageblade is one of the tougher classes to fight (assuming youre not running a reflect). It’s a fight that really requires you to pay attention and and react on a dime.
As always the best way to improve vs a specific class is to find a good one and duel him/her over and over. Legend has some quality mageblades and if you come to our duels you can practice against them to hone your skill.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Twohothardware wrote: »You should cast your Eclipse skill on him right about the time he's likely to proc Assassin's Will and maybe he will kill himself lol.
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Ashamray✭✭✭✭✭No way to block or dodge Assasin's will without luck. It's instant now, NB can use it after fear \ clench. So, you can be a permablocker (that won't bring a victory to you) or slot defensive stance on sword and board bar. It can help, but NB weaving each ability with LA will consume reflection with it.
Imo as a magplar you can't beat a good magblade. You can ruin his burst with an accurate Eclipse, block or reflect, you can shred his shields, but you won't finish him.Edited by Ashamray on November 22, 2017 8:11AMBoadrig, EU PC
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✭✭✭✭✭As some people have said, and that I can agree on, the only way I find possible to beat a good nightblade (be it a stamblade or a magblade) is to remove his/her ability to reset the fight by using cloak. Unfortunately I´m to lazy to craft detection pots xD0 -
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✭✭✭I’m a mdk I flap my wings pop detect pot and cc the hell out of them.
Now I don’t main a templar but don’t they have a reflect total dark? Or did they nerf/remove this skill?Edited by FloppyTouch on November 22, 2017 8:15AM0
