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Which Faction Is Considered The "Good Guys"
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Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daggerfall CovenantWell the Dominion tries to kill an entire generation of Argonian infants. So not the Dominion. The pact enslaves Bretons, which isn't too bad in comparison but I haven't seen the Covenant commit any of these war crimes. So I guess I'll go with DC with EP as number two because House Dres grants freedom to the Argonian slaves for the sake of the pact, which is at least something. (Reminder: House Telvanni never joined the pact so what they are doing can't be held against EP)This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.1 -
Demycilian✭✭✭✭Aldmeri Dominionpaulsimonps wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.
Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.
There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.
Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.
Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.3 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionNarvuntien wrote: »I am a proud AD player but....Daggerfall are the good guys.
AD are pretty full of themselves, as expected for high Elves.. taking a patronising approach to humans. Humans give into daedra and can't be trusted better conquer them.
I think Jorun is a good guy but it is hard to call the ebonheart pact as a whole the good guys, it really seems like a fragile pact based on needing to bind together or get overwhelmed by the other groups. Dumner are willing to do anything to win, that is part of thier culture
Daggerfall are the good guys. Emeric is geniune in his wish for an allance. They believe they are the rightful hiers to the empire based on thier worship of the 8 as such the continuation of the Imperial faith. I feel like that, and being primary human alliance, is quite a good claim. Also people from the Daggerfall quest lines are actually integral to the coldharbour storyline, in particular Darien, but a bunch of others (Skordo and the mage girl argh forgot her name) feature prominentely.
While AD might be pompous, DC have genocide and terror as their baseline. They are not the good guys.2 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionThese colors on the voting poll don't match the actual factions.
EP is Red.
DC is Blue.
Anyway, EP is fighting for freedom. for each culture to have the right to be left to its businesses and not get involved in others. The only purpose of capturing the throne is to maintain peace NOT to go about conquering everybody.
This is why the Dunmer that joined EP stopped slavery. Slavery is now illegal.
Vvardenfel is not part of the Ebonheart Pact. They refused to join. So they still have Slavery.
The Dominion are the guys who want to enslaver everyone under High Elf rule.
The Covenant are the guys who want to establish the second empire and put a universal economic peace throughout Tamriel (if I'm wrong about DC then let me know)
Edit for sleepiness.
Even if it is " illegal " in the EP, they literally give the argonians slave work and force them to live in mud holes, and discrimination is everywhere.Edited by Jade1986 on November 19, 2017 11:30AM0 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ebonheart PactThese colors on the voting poll don't match the actual factions.
EP is Red.
DC is Blue.
Anyway, EP is fighting for freedom. for each culture to have the right to be left to its businesses and not get involved in others. The only purpose of capturing the throne is to maintain peace NOT to go about conquering everybody.
This is why the Dunmer that joined EP stopped slavery. Slavery is now illegal.
Vvardenfel is not part of the Ebonheart Pact. They refused to join. So they still have Slavery.
The Dominion are the guys who want to enslaver everyone under High Elf rule.
The Covenant are the guys who want to establish the second empire and put a universal economic peace throughout Tamriel (if I'm wrong about DC then let me know)
Not all of the dunmer joined. : cough : vvardenfell.
He even said they didn't... like in the line right below it.1 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Depends on what is your preferences:
1. Western "democratic" regime that wants to control rest of world - DC.
2. "Old World" alliance that 700+ years after eso will go *** mode - AD.
3. Union of communists regime countries that prefer to fight each others in free time- EP.
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Aldmeri Dominionpaulsimonps wrote: »These colors on the voting poll don't match the actual factions.
EP is Red.
DC is Blue.
Anyway, EP is fighting for freedom. for each culture to have the right to be left to its businesses and not get involved in others. The only purpose of capturing the throne is to maintain peace NOT to go about conquering everybody.
This is why the Dunmer that joined EP stopped slavery. Slavery is now illegal.
Vvardenfel is not part of the Ebonheart Pact. They refused to join. So they still have Slavery.
The Dominion are the guys who want to enslaver everyone under High Elf rule.
The Covenant are the guys who want to establish the second empire and put a universal economic peace throughout Tamriel (if I'm wrong about DC then let me know)
Not all of the dunmer joined. : cough : vvardenfell.
He even said they didn't... like in the line right below it.
Oh lord I need to stop posting right when I roll out of my 27 layers of blankets.....
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Vimora✭✭✭✭Obvious bait thread is obvious. Everybody knows there are no good guys. They just all want the same thing.0 -
Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Daggerfall CovenantAD Elfs are racists treating other alliance members as slaves and EP are red obviously evil. Blue the good guys.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
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Princess_Ciri✭✭✭✭✭Ebonheart Pactobjectively EP are good, look at how we treat the lizardsGM and raid leader of Hot Girls Play DPS, the cutest guild EU0 -
kaiage✭✭✭Ebonheart Pact
One humanoid's mudhole is another humanoid's mudhome. Try to be a bit more tolerant.an anonymous EP nightblade and Templar...
also; a warden and nightblade of the aldmeri flavour.
"there's a dragon with matches, that's loose on the town..."
"it's no easy road, this struggle and strife... we find ourselves, in the show of life" - tab @ the tab
If you've been fallen by my steel or blade - sorry there's no tomorrow for yeh!
Kidding;) don't take it so bad, I've been doing this a long time0 -
Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ebonheart has slavers and drunkards. Aldmeri has the most racist race of them all. Daggerfall has the most whiny race of them all.
From an objective point of view, none.
It's individual people that are the "good guys", never a race or faction. Similar to real life.1 -
kaiage✭✭✭Ebonheart PactEP because the Pact's colors are red. Red like blood. And in the end, everyone bleeds...
EP cause their icon is a little dragon. Obviously.an anonymous EP nightblade and Templar...
also; a warden and nightblade of the aldmeri flavour.
"there's a dragon with matches, that's loose on the town..."
"it's no easy road, this struggle and strife... we find ourselves, in the show of life" - tab @ the tab
If you've been fallen by my steel or blade - sorry there's no tomorrow for yeh!
Kidding;) don't take it so bad, I've been doing this a long time0 -
Lyserus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Daggerfall CovenantEbonheart: The fall of an empire is the start of all these mess...And no matter what you say, an united tamriel bring more peace than a tamriel broken to pieces. （you can tell from real life and tamriel history）. The ultimate goal of these races band together is so later they can curse and enslave and fight with each other...
Dominion: The reason they fight is to put altmer above all others... and the reason to that, is, well, really weird and don't make sense if you think about it. Let me put it this way:
“These young races are too young and therefore too dumb to rule” -- Ayreen, age 21
Therefore I'd say I go for DC. Sure not 100% perfect, but their ideal makes more sense to me.
（And Emeric is the most capable of the three in my opinion, he is the first ever breton high king, and having redguard and orc under his banner, while still his vassels are largely independent, he has greater authority than Jorunn in Great Moot ）0 -
Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Aldmeri DominionAltho each faction has its flaws, AD will win in the end.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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Huyen Swiftpaw, dragonknight (no defined role yet)
"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again. Only this time, more wisely" - Uncle Iroh0 -
Shardan4968✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ebonheart PactAyreen is just one normal Altmer in faction full of supremacists and isolationists. King Emeric cares only about Bretons and don't even think about setting capital city of Covenant in other province than his own (unlike other leaders). In Ebonheart Pact we are equal and we fight as equal. Just look at the storyline. Smurfs and Bananas tried to destroy EP many times in our own lands. Burning our villages and trying to destroy entire race. What we did wrong other than just exploring some of your ruins. I won't forget Bleakrock, Stonefalls and Shadowfen, I don't think that slaughtering innocents was good and I think that leaders of those alliances knew what their armies were doing.PC/EU1 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Aldmeri Dominion
Some of them like it, but a lot of them complain about how they are treated. I wont be tolerant of masked slavery.Edited by Jade1986 on November 19, 2017 1:05PM0 -
kaiage✭✭✭Ebonheart PactTherefore I'd say I go for DC. Sure not 100% perfect, but their ideal makes more sense to me.
（And Emeric is the most capable of the three in my opinion, he is the first ever breton high king, and having redguard and orc under his banner, while still his vassels are largely independent, he has greater authority than Jorunn in Great Moot ）
You're just after his gold, Gold digger.
Edited by kaiage on November 19, 2017 1:03PMan anonymous EP nightblade and Templar...
also; a warden and nightblade of the aldmeri flavour.
"there's a dragon with matches, that's loose on the town..."
"it's no easy road, this struggle and strife... we find ourselves, in the show of life" - tab @ the tab
If you've been fallen by my steel or blade - sorry there's no tomorrow for yeh!
Kidding;) don't take it so bad, I've been doing this a long time0 -
Akrasjel✭✭✭✭The option that is not here...
Imperials and the Imperial Legion[PC][EU][Daggerfall Covenant]
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Born: 2E 551
Member of: | Traders of the Covenant | Hammerfell Trading | Imperial Trading Company |
Houses: Strident Springs Demesne,0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionDemycilian wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.
Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.
There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.
Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.
Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.
This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Shardan4968✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ebonheart PactLadyNalcarya wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.
Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.
There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.
Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.
Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.
This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.
Reezal-Jul = Montclair House
Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion
You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.PC/EU4 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daggerfall CovenantDunmer that don't consider argonians as equals. ep are the villians since they do
And yet the Dominion is okay will killing children, so it's not like they're much better.
They may not have been 'part of the dominion' but all of them sat down and 'followed orders'. They still shout the warcry's, they are still in keeping with the Dominion's modus operandi, forcefull anex through tricking people through offering help in dire times, or fear, and daedric magic.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 19, 2017 2:53PM0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daggerfall CovenantThese colors on the voting poll don't match the actual factions.
EP is Red.
DC is Blue.
Anyway, EP is fighting for freedom. for each culture to have the right to be left to its businesses and not get involved in others. The only purpose of capturing the throne is to maintain peace NOT to go about conquering everybody.
This is why the Dunmer that joined EP stopped slavery. Slavery is now illegal.
Vvardenfel is not part of the Ebonheart Pact. They refused to join. So they still have Slavery.
The Dominion are the guys who want to enslaver everyone under High Elf rule.
The Covenant are the guys who want to establish the second empire and put a universal economic peace throughout Tamriel (if I'm wrong about DC then let me know)
That's essentially the covenant's goal.
They really dont care about who rules what, essentially working out a system where people rule over they're own day to day lives in terms of government with a high king and lion guard that intervenes when it needs to, and never anytime else.
They were formed in direct response to the Aldmeri Dominion, under the fairly logical conclusion that the Altmer would enslave the races of men and orcs again, refusing to be slaves. They have released a missive to the Khajiit and Bosmer people, that they do not want any sort of war, and were happy to trade when times were peacefull.
The only thing the Covenant wants, is economic peace. Hell, they probably wouldn't even care about most traditions or anything like that, they just want this *** to -stop-.
The Dominion however, wants litterally to enslave people 'for they're own good' which is and allways has been a *** excuse to cover for the high elven want to dominate and control everything around them. Elves have been consistant instigators against everyone else throughout history, high elves especially.
Meanwhile, EP, while good intentioned, and wanting essentially the same thing as the covenant, will never deal with them and is by far more unstable with political infighting.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 19, 2017 2:53PM0 -
Demycilian✭✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionShardan4968 wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.
Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.
There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.
Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.
Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.
This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.
Reezal-Jul = Montclair House
Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion
You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.
I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.
Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.
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ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Daggerfall CovenantI wouldn't call the Covenant good guys but they are the least bad (largely due to their stability). EP society is a powder keg pure and simple. The Dominion are too autocratic."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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