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We would all like a greater freedom of personalization for our characters. True?
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My dunmer bounty huntress girl:Kizune_Denki wrote: »Y'know ... it would be fun/great to see females with manly bodies or even expressions... As males with more ... "delicate" bodies aaah and voices too, why not?
My dunmer librarian boy:
My orsimer blacksmith girl:
Need I say more?
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✭✭✭I agree cosmetics should be as open as possibleIGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is Shirley I Jest. He was invited to join an all lesbian guild even though he and I are both male. Had to decline as my five spots were filled.
And this is Miya Tearsong. She likes to put on a tux and stand by men in wedding dresses because we think it is funny.
and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.1 -
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✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
My dunmer bounty huntress girl:Kizune_Denki wrote: »Y'know ... it would be fun/great to see females with manly bodies or even expressions... As males with more ... "delicate" bodies aaah and voices too, why not?
My dunmer librarian boy:
My orsimer blacksmith girl:
Need I say more?
You...you do know that female Orcs are the main blacksmiths in a stronghold right? Orcs are a different case, as they can have muscular men and women, but there's no way in oblivion that an orc would be stick-thin. Their bodies wouldn't allow that to happen.
Also, you can't have these races in those types of "genders" bc they don't have any idea what you are imposing on them. You claim that this is a "fantasy game", but this "fantasy game" already has an established lore basis and it doesn't include the 300 different genders/sexualities that you are so accustomed to in real life.
I will agree that jewelry and tattoos tho should be for both genders and all races (tho of course there's limitations with the coding).Edited by SilverIce58 on November 17, 2017 2:42AMPC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC3 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
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I am aware of the orcs culture.SilverIce58 wrote: »You...you do know that female Orcs are the main blacksmiths in a stronghold right?...
That's why I made her my main crafting alt in the first place... and from there followed the amazonian build - it is pretty typical for orcs, really.
What I was getting at, many cultural choices that would be completely "normal" for some fantasy cultures would seem a little "gender-bending" when viewd from a modern western culture standard. Elf rogue girls dressing up in male-ish clothes while in a job, and off the job too because they are used to it. Elf mage boys wearing flowing robes, makeup and long hair while coking the meals for their wife when she comes home from elf coucil meetings. Orc girls being buff and tough, working the forge or butchering meat all day long. Argonians probably think all the other races quite silly for all their fuss about it.
Pretty much like anyone of todays culture looking at rennessance men wearing makeup, high heels and powdered wigs; or norse shieldmaidens would think it a little odd compared to modern gender standards (well, the shield maidens would have been odd at the start of the 20th century, but thanksfully things have changed a bit again, and today women can be action heroes again, like in the days of amazons and shield maidens!) And don't get me started on the scots and their plaids and later kilts (which actually is a much better idea for males... bits... then tight fitting trousers if you look at the anatomy). Or all the greco-roman people with their tunics (which we today would more likely call a "dress")
In that spirit, I support more options for any of those.
And yes, also because I admit to a certain enjoyment I sometimes get making characters that play a little with the limits of traditional gender roles...
Well... if they -ever- add a fifteenth character slot, I will aim to make a skinny-as-possible orc warden hiding behind the summoned bear! Just because!SilverIce58 wrote: »...but there's no way in oblivion that an orc would be stick-thin. Their bodies wouldn't allow that to happen.
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✭✭✭✭I get so incredibly fed up with people arguing why people shouldn't have options in game (or in life for that matter).
I partly feel sorry for those that are so concerned with what other people wear or do, that their world view is so constricted that they even think males wearing trousers has been going on since the dawn of time (it hasn't - Romans considered the wearing of trousers to be a barbarian and uncultured practice) - so many people take their current cultural norms and project them backwards to try to reassure themselves that they are in the right and it has always been thus - it hasn't, it's just current fashion, not something that has always been the case and it isn't some immutable aspect of human nature or gender.
To anyone arguing against this - why do you care so much how other people make their characters, what they wear or what they do? Are you that prejudiced in real life too?Edited by Epona222 on November 17, 2017 9:32AMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
Epona was a Romano-Celtic goddess dating back to around 1800 to 2000 years before computer games were invented.4 -
Zorvan✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lightsI've been muted since November 2017 because of the whiny crybabies on this forum and the liberal ZOS employees coddling them.2 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.0 -
Zorvan✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
Name another gender that cannot be represented by the two available . And I swear, if you come up with some owlkin bs I'll insult people on Tumblr while using your name.
bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »I would like bigger boobs for toons
Me too!Edited by Zorvan on November 17, 2017 1:56PMI've been muted since November 2017 because of the whiny crybabies on this forum and the liberal ZOS employees coddling them.2 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
Name another gender that cannot be represented by the two available . And I swear, if you come up with some owlkin bs I'll insult people on Tumblr while using your name.bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »I would like bigger boobs for toons
Me too!
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. If you're struggling to understand that gender isn't binary, then there are plenty of educational resources available online.
This article from National Geographic has some information in it that might help, and it also contains some insight concerning appearance, which relates back to the OP's initial post about making appearance available to every character:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/1 -
Zorvan✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
Name another gender that cannot be represented by the two available . And I swear, if you come up with some owlkin bs I'll insult people on Tumblr while using your name.bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »I would like bigger boobs for toons
Me too!
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. If you're struggling to understand that gender isn't binary, then there are plenty of educational resources available online.
This article from National Geographic has some information in it that might help, and it also contains some insight concerning appearance, which relates back to the OP's initial post about making appearance available to every character:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/
Pretty sure with enough money I could get a study done proving the sky is purple, too.
Again, name a gender ( real or imagined ) that cannot be represented by the masculine and feminine forms already provided ingame. A woman who identifies as a man can easily make a masculine figure from either of the two body forms available, a man who identifies as a woman can easily make a feminine figure from either of the two forms available. So yeah, unless you identify as a tree or an attack helicopter, I'm lost how you cannot accomplish what you want from the forms provided.Edited by Zorvan on November 17, 2017 7:21PMI've been muted since November 2017 because of the whiny crybabies on this forum and the liberal ZOS employees coddling them.6 -
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✭I'd like to make bigger bellies! Otherwise I'll say the same as in "Vampire" threads - the more options the better!
Oh - some of those Argonians they use like feathertype extras on their heads - I would appreciate if we can make them work for other races as well please.
Viva la costumazion!Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett0 -
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I would definitely advocate that and other "structural options" to come to the crown store as well!bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »I would like bigger boobs for toons
Unlocks that lest you exceed some slider settings to make your characters a bit different from the normal range in some regard...
You know, from overly tall "titanborn" nords to overly muscular "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" orcs, from overly small "I drink wine and know things" imperials to overly chest-endowed breton ladies of ill repute, from overly pixielike elves to overly fat redguard wrestlers... I really see no reason why we should not be allowed to make characters such as those and more!
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✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
I would definitely advocate that and other "structural options" to come to the crown store as well!bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »I would like bigger boobs for toons
Unlocks that lest you exceed some slider settings to make your characters a bit different from the normal range in some regard...
You know, from overly tall "titanborn" nords to overly muscular "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" orcs, from overly small "I drink wine and know things" imperials to overly chest-endowed breton ladies of ill repute, from overly pixielike elves to overly fat redguard wrestlers... I really see no reason why we should not be allowed to make characters such as those and more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAgin9V80sQ Dalek-Rok - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Shād - Argonian Nightblade || Dalek-Shul - Argonian Templar || Dalek-Xal - Argonian Dragonknight || Mounts-the-Snout - Argonian Warden || Dalek-Xul - Argonian Necromancer || Two-Spires - Argonian Arcanist || Dalek-Nesh - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Kör - Argonian DragonknightJudas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.1 -
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✭✭✭How about we take "Character Creation" a step further and have this:
(Note* Posted this just for fun. OP's post reminded me of this so I thought I would share...Enjoy....Huzzah!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgowBLb4sKw Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on November 17, 2017 8:58PMDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
NA / PC Beta Member since Nov 2013
GM~Conclave-of-Shadows, EP Social Guild, ~Proud member of: The Wandering Merchants, Phoenix Rising, Imperial Trade Union & Celestials of Nirn
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#MOREHOUSINGSLOTS“When the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people, they end up running the companies. The product people get driven out of the decision making forums, and the companies forget what it means to make great products.”
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GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
Name another gender that cannot be represented by the two available . And I swear, if you come up with some owlkin bs I'll insult people on Tumblr while using your name.bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »I would like bigger boobs for toons
Me too!
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. If you're struggling to understand that gender isn't binary, then there are plenty of educational resources available online.
This article from National Geographic has some information in it that might help, and it also contains some insight concerning appearance, which relates back to the OP's initial post about making appearance available to every character:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/
Pretty sure with enough money I could get a study done proving the sky is purple, too.
Again, name a gender ( real or imagined ) that cannot be represented by the masculine and feminine forms already provided ingame. A woman who identifies as a man can easily make a masculine figure from either of the two body forms available, a man who identifies as a woman can easily make a feminine figure from either of the two forms available. So yeah, unless you identify as a tree or an attack helicopter, I'm lost how you cannot accomplish what you want from the forms provided.
Where are you getting lost?
The OP has already pointed out that players are limited in what they may want to accomplish aesthetically due to restrictions put on the two current gender options in character creation. Then I suggested that moving beyond two binary gender options would enhance customization. That customization could even go beyond aesthetics.
For example, perhaps certain dialogue in expansions and DLCs could move beyond exclusively using "he/she" pronouns, which, again, further enhances customization.0 -
This is Shirley I Jest. He was invited to join an all lesbian guild even though he and I are both male. Had to decline as my five spots were filled.
And this is Miya Tearsong. She likes to put on a tux and stand by men in wedding dresses because we think it is funny.
Oh you are fabulous!! I love what you have done with your characters!Happy Patch day!0 -
SilverIce58 wrote: »TheShadowScout wrote: »
My dunmer bounty huntress girl:Kizune_Denki wrote: »Y'know ... it would be fun/great to see females with manly bodies or even expressions... As males with more ... "delicate" bodies aaah and voices too, why not?
My dunmer librarian boy:
My orsimer blacksmith girl:
Need I say more?
You...you do know that female Orcs are the main blacksmiths in a stronghold right? Orcs are a different case, as they can have muscular men and women, but there's no way in oblivion that an orc would be stick-thin. Their bodies wouldn't allow that to happen.
Also, you can't have these races in those types of "genders" bc they don't have any idea what you are imposing on them. You claim that this is a "fantasy game", but this "fantasy game" already has an established lore basis and it doesn't include the 300 different genders/sexualities that you are so accustomed to in real life.
I will agree that jewelry and tattoos tho should be for both genders and all races (tho of course there's limitations with the coding).
Very, very nice!! Love their faces
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✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
Name another gender that cannot be represented by the two available . And I swear, if you come up with some owlkin bs I'll insult people on Tumblr while using your name.bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »I would like bigger boobs for toons
Me too!
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. If you're struggling to understand that gender isn't binary, then there are plenty of educational resources available online.
This article from National Geographic has some information in it that might help, and it also contains some insight concerning appearance, which relates back to the OP's initial post about making appearance available to every character:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/
Pretty sure with enough money I could get a study done proving the sky is purple, too.
Again, name a gender ( real or imagined ) that cannot be represented by the masculine and feminine forms already provided ingame. A woman who identifies as a man can easily make a masculine figure from either of the two body forms available, a man who identifies as a woman can easily make a feminine figure from either of the two forms available. So yeah, unless you identify as a tree or an attack helicopter, I'm lost how you cannot accomplish what you want from the forms provided.
Well there is that one guy that identifies as a six year old girl. ZoS doesn't allow children... I agree though the current character generator we have available should cover the spectrum for those of us who identify as an adult. I don't see why certain hair styles and cosmetics are limited to either male or female in game though. If I wanted I could put my large pot bellied Nord dude in an elegant gown why shouldn't I be able to also give him some nice flashy earrings? He would be mad as hell when he sobers up but what are the chances of that ever happening?and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
all that would need to be done is not restrict cosmeticsIGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller
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✭✭✭✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
all that would need to be done is not restrict cosmetics
Yeah, that's the simplest fix. It would still be cool to get more customization that moves beyond gender binary that currently exists.0 -
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✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
all that would need to be done is not restrict cosmetics
Yeah, that's the simplest fix. It would still be cool to get more customization that moves beyond gender binary that currently exists.
Like what? You keep saying this, but you don't provide explicit examples of what kinds of "customization that moves beyond gender binary". Aside from taking the restrictions off of jewelry and cosmetics (which some cosmetics have to be male/female only bc of limitations with character models), I literally can't imagine what else there is.PC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC2 -
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✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
all that would need to be done is not restrict cosmetics
Yeah, that's the simplest fix. It would still be cool to get more customization that moves beyond gender binary that currently exists.
Like what? You keep saying this, but you don't provide explicit examples of what kinds of "customization that moves beyond gender binary". Aside from taking the restrictions off of jewelry and cosmetics (which some cosmetics have to be male/female only bc of limitations with character models), I literally can't imagine what else there is.
Read post #53. I already mentioned gender pronouns. Maybe you didn't read that post?0 -
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✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
all that would need to be done is not restrict cosmetics
Yeah, that's the simplest fix. It would still be cool to get more customization that moves beyond gender binary that currently exists.
Like what? You keep saying this, but you don't provide explicit examples of what kinds of "customization that moves beyond gender binary". Aside from taking the restrictions off of jewelry and cosmetics (which some cosmetics have to be male/female only bc of limitations with character models), I literally can't imagine what else there is.
Read post #53. I already mentioned gender pronouns. Maybe you didn't read that post?
I did read it, but the characters in the game probably aren't worried about someone using the wrong gender pronoun since there's probably potions/magic that can switch gender at will.
You're literally sticking your real-world politics into a game that has no need for them. You could say "it's a fantasy world" but this "fantasy world" already has established rules, and established lore.PC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
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✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Does anyone else feel triggered that there are only two gender options at character creation? Ugh. Reinforcing the gender binary smh. #rejectthepatriarchy.
It would be cool if character creation went beyond the current two binary gender options. Perhaps a movement in that direction would allow movement in the direction of the OP's idea to unlock all cosmetic options for all characters.
There's no nudity in this game, so whatever your character has between their legs is up to you.
#thereareonly2gendersand4lights
You're talking about sex. To the OP's point, it would be awesome if aesthetic options were available to all characters regardless of who they are. Moving beyond the two binary options that are currently in the game would support that goal.
all that would need to be done is not restrict cosmetics
Yeah, that's the simplest fix. It would still be cool to get more customization that moves beyond gender binary that currently exists.
Like what? You keep saying this, but you don't provide explicit examples of what kinds of "customization that moves beyond gender binary". Aside from taking the restrictions off of jewelry and cosmetics (which some cosmetics have to be male/female only bc of limitations with character models), I literally can't imagine what else there is.
Read post #53. I already mentioned gender pronouns. Maybe you didn't read that post?
I did read it, but the characters in the game probably aren't worried about someone using the wrong gender pronoun since there's probably potions/magic that can switch gender at will.
You're literally sticking your real-world politics into a game that has no need for them. You could say "it's a fantasy world" but this "fantasy world" already has established rules, and established lore.
"Read-world politics?" You are the one who appears to be heading in that direction. You seem to care a lot about keeping the male/female gender binary in character creation, but why? There is TES lore that suggests it's not that simple:
Read lore about Vivec and Argonians.
What harm is there in me suggesting that it would 1) be cool and 2) give more options (see: dialogue example) if the game moved beyond the current gender binary? That's not pushing "real-world politics" nor does it violate any "established lore."
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✭✭✭I'll be honest, I have no idea what alternate genders would even look like or how the devs could give you what you want. You can already make males seem more feminine and females seem more masculine. This whole topic seems to go down the road of a red herring. The only race in the game that I know of with more than one gender is the Argonians, and that is because the Hist acts as a third element in their production. From a purely physiological standpoint I really don't understand the point being made here. You can already do a lot of what you're asking for and I see it all the time.
You want customization ask for ear rings like the dude was saying. If you want bearded ladies go for it, have a blast. If you want men with gynecomastia - ok. Why not fat though? I'm able to make a fat orc male, but all you see on females are a little chunk. Its even hard to make a fat Nord male. Heroes can be fat. They can be old. Maybe they're just that tough and grisly that even in their fat old age they are still heroic badasses. I actually like making heroic old guys, or skinny dudes, or bald people. The variety is fine.
I think the topic focusing solely on breaking gender norms misses the point of the title. I think it would be more productive to stick to what features you'd like added and not go down the gender rabbit hole, ultimately having the Devs shut this thread down.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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