We would all like a greater freedom of personalization for our characters. True?

Futura_Aeterna

Hi ^_^ everyone!!
Consult this proposal with technical support and i sent it as a suggestion too.This was my message;

Package of female accessories and cosmetics, I'm a transexual guy who likes to dress and wear femenine clothes and cosmetics, so my character is a true reflection of that personality, but I'm limited when I try to use jewelry, eyelashes and some cosmetics that are only for the female gender. It should be possible for people who buy these cosmetic packages to have the freedom to use them freely, whatever your sexual and gender identity.
but this not only applies to cosmetics classified by genres, but it could also be applied to racial cosmetics!
surely there is someone who has thought about it at some time, the packs of cosmetics, tattoos, piercing, hairstyles and more, enable the ability to edit your character with some limitations, as if we went to the hairdresser, or tattoo our body, or change of piercing, ETC.
An example for me is that there is a male khajiit piercing on the nose that I would have liked to put on my argonian, using the packs to unlock those customization options would give more freedom and variety to the game.

And I wanted to propose my proposal here so that the community can give their opinion, if your like my idea, it is possible that the development team will focus on us to make our characters something unique and different.

ThePrinceOfBargains

I don’t see why not. I find continually being locked out of certain things by gender odd, considering you can already use costumes and personalities that were clearly intended for women. The dances need to be (officially) unrestricted too.

Apache_Kid

Don't see any reason why those restrictions are in place. Agree with you.

AhPook_Is_Here

I never understood why makeup and eyelashes and hair-styles were gender locked in this game. I get the racial items as head shape and horns and that sort of thing create design issues, but nothing in the game should be gender locked as CyrusArya mentioned it would be nice if the character creator system didn't have gender as an option, just body sliders so you could craft what you wanted without a box of presets.

Apache_Kid

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I never understood why makeup and eyelashes and hair-styles were gender locked in this game. I get the racial items as head shape and horns and that sort of thing create design issues, but nothing in the game should be gender locked as CyrusArya mentioned it would be nice if the character creator system didn't have gender as an option, just body sliders so you could craft what you wanted without a box of presets.

I would still like gender as an option so I didn't have to try and create a female or male character from scratch. I'm bad enough at making characters as it is. However I agree with the rest of your post.

altemriel

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

Hi ^_^ everyone!!
Consult this proposal with technical support and i sent it as a suggestion too.This was my message;

Package of female accessories and cosmetics, I'm a transexual guy who likes to dress and wear femenine clothes and cosmetics, so my character is a true reflection of that personality, but I'm limited when I try to use jewelry, eyelashes and some cosmetics that are only for the female gender. It should be possible for people who buy these cosmetic packages to have the freedom to use them freely, whatever your sexual and gender identity.
but this not only applies to cosmetics classified by genres, but it could also be applied to racial cosmetics!
surely there is someone who has thought about it at some time, the packs of cosmetics, tattoos, piercing, hairstyles and more, enable the ability to edit your character with some limitations, as if we went to the hairdresser, or tattoo our body, or change of piercing, ETC.
An example for me is that there is a male khajiit piercing on the nose that I would have liked to put on my argonian, using the packs to unlock those customization options would give more freedom and variety to the game.

And I wanted to propose my proposal here so that the community can give their opinion, if your like my idea, it is possible that the development team will focus on us to make our characters something unique and different.

yes and more hair styles and hair dyeing - to all colours and color combinations!!


and different fur colors and patterns for khajiits!!!

coop500

I thought this was going to be about actual more character customization options that are not locked behind paywalls, not.... Crossdressing.

Futura_Aeterna

coop500 wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about actual more character customization options that are not locked behind paywalls, not.... Crossdressing.

People ask for greater personalization and freedom to create them, what is your idea for an ideal world?

coop500

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about actual more character customization options that are not locked behind paywalls, not.... Crossdressing.

People ask for greater personalization and freedom to create them, what is your idea for an ideal world?

I was expecting not JUST stuff for the LGBTQ+ community, everyone deserves customization.

TheShadowScout

More customization options are -always- a good thing! Count me in!
There really ought to be crown store unlocks for more options, be they cross-racial (how many altmer have asked for black hair on the forums in the past?) or cross-gender (free hair selection for all!)

Personally I would not want it to stop there, but also add crown-purchasable "structural" options to let people exceed certain sliders on their characters or use different body mesh selections... make "titanborn" half-giant nords who may or may not be a distant cousin to Lyris; make overly muscular orcs who you wouldn't like if they got angry; make breton dwarves who drink wine and know things; make stick-thin altmer who wouldn't show up in a graveyard for fear of... mistakes...; make fat, oiled redguard wrestlers bodyslamming for the cheers of the crowds; make pixie-like even shorter then usual wood elves; make imperial matrons with back-pain-causing massive melons... (you all know there are players who would...)

coop500 wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about actual more character customization options that are not locked behind paywalls, not.... Crossdressing.

My elf boy bids you welcome to the internet!

Recremen

Yeah people around here are generally all for more customization options. I'm still waiting to be able to use those cute flowers that female characters can put in their hair. >.<

Apache_Kid

While we are at it.... There needs to be a way to change hair color other than the appearance token. Even if it is a dye pack for purchase in the store like the hairstyles and accessories are.

Stania

-The bodypaint pack, face paint pack and cosmetics pack from the crown store allow you to use them on every character, regardless of their race (with exception of khajiit and argonians, for technical reasons).
-Newer makeup and hairstyles can be worn by both sexes.
-All clothing can be worn by either sex.
-ZoS won't modify old cosmetic stuff, unless they release them as a "completely new" item in the crown store. If they're going to pay someone to modify what's already there, that isn't crucial to the game, they'll be better get some revenue from it.

Just wait, you'll have a wider collection of items that catter to your needs.

Now, on the risk of having my response deleted (because "heaven forbid" you dare to engage on this kind of topics in other way that praising or agreeing):

Apache_Kid wrote: »

I would still like gender as an option so I didn't have to try and create a female or male character from scratch. I'm bad enough at making characters as it is.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

it would be nice if the character creator system didn't have gender as an option, just body sliders so you could craft what you wanted without a box of presets.

In ESO, characters are created in base of biological sex: male and female. Since sex and gender are different things (as some claim), you can perfectly define the latter via roleplaying and cosmetic stuff, because no one (with exception of some other roleplayers and friends) is going to care if your character identifies as an agender, cisgender, genderfluid.

[Edit to remove bait]

Dysprosium

Yes I agree these shouldn't be gender locked. The clothes aren't. If I am going to put on a pretty dress I want accessories to match it!

AlienatedGoat

Y'know...

I just want more jewellery options for males.

Earrings, eyebrow studs, lip piercings, etc.

It's completely lame that males have extremely limited options for jewellery.

LukosCreyden

I'm always up for more character customization options. I pvp hard, I dungeon delve hard. I go hardcore with my character dress-up too.

necr0o

I could not agree with this more - having them gender locked makes no sense to me.


Don't get me started on the Oracle Eyes & Blind Left + Right Eye being placed in Facial Hair for males...-.-

Futura_Aeterna

Stania wrote: »

-The bodypaint pack, face paint pack and cosmetics pack from the crown store allow you to use them on every character, regardless of their race (with exception of khajiit and argonians, for technical reasons).
-Newer makeup and hairstyles can be worn by both sexes.
-All clothing can be worn by either sex.
-ZoS won't modify old cosmetic stuff, unless they release them as a "completely new" item in the crown store. If they're going to pay someone to modify what's already there, that isn't crucial to the game, they'll be better get some revenue from it.

Just wait, you'll have a wider collection of items that catter to your needs.

Now, on the risk of having my response deleted (because "heaven forbid" you dare to engage on this kind of topics in other way that praising or agreeing):

Apache_Kid wrote: »

I would still like gender as an option so I didn't have to try and create a female or male character from scratch. I'm bad enough at making characters as it is.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

it would be nice if the character creator system didn't have gender as an option, just body sliders so you could craft what you wanted without a box of presets.

In ESO, characters are created in base of biological sex: male and female. Since sex and gender are different things (as some claim), you can perfectly define the latter via roleplaying and cosmetic stuff, because no one (with exception of some other roleplayers and friends) is going to care if your character identifies as an agender, cisgender, genderfluid.

I am not in a position to accept your idea, you may be misunderstanding by your part.
I own all the packs, I see many limitations although there is the possibility of using some races, but not all, and this is more focused on gender, there are attires that change according to your base gender and I would like to be able to choose, and the same with khajiit and argonian tattoos, and what about female hairstyles? or the jewelry and accessories?

CardboardedBox

Completely unrelated to crossdressing in particular, but a skin pack that contains multiple skins, specifically for orcs only, of different shades of actual green. Not that sickly human greenish they only have.

coop500

CardboardedBox wrote: »

Completely unrelated to crossdressing in particular, but a skin pack that contains multiple skins, specifically for orcs only, of different shades of actual green. Not that sickly human greenish they only have.

I too would like skin and marking packs for Khajiits and Argonians, too. It'd be fun to have more marking and color choices.

ArchMikem

coop500 wrote: »

CardboardedBox wrote: »

Completely unrelated to crossdressing in particular, but a skin pack that contains multiple skins, specifically for orcs only, of different shades of actual green. Not that sickly human greenish they only have.

I too would like skin and marking packs for Khajiits and Argonians, too. It'd be fun to have more marking and color choices.

I just wanted fluffier tails for my cats. Theyre too thin and dainty for my liking.

coop500

ArchMikem wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

CardboardedBox wrote: »

Completely unrelated to crossdressing in particular, but a skin pack that contains multiple skins, specifically for orcs only, of different shades of actual green. Not that sickly human greenish they only have.

I too would like skin and marking packs for Khajiits and Argonians, too. It'd be fun to have more marking and color choices.

I just wanted fluffier tails for my cats. Theyre too thin and dainty for my liking.

I also agree to that, finally the thread is getting more on track and broader ideas. I'd love for tails about twice as thick, the khajiit tails are like rat tails ATM lol.

AhPook_Is_Here

Stania wrote: »

-The bodypaint pack, face paint pack and cosmetics pack from the crown store allow you to use them on every character, regardless of their race (with exception of khajiit and argonians, for technical reasons).
-Newer makeup and hairstyles can be worn by both sexes.
-All clothing can be worn by either sex.
-ZoS won't modify old cosmetic stuff, unless they release them as a "completely new" item in the crown store. If they're going to pay someone to modify what's already there, that isn't crucial to the game, they'll be better get some revenue from it.

Just wait, you'll have a wider collection of items that catter to your needs.

Now, on the risk of having my response deleted (because "heaven forbid" you dare to engage on this kind of topics in other way that praising or agreeing):

Apache_Kid wrote: »

I would still like gender as an option so I didn't have to try and create a female or male character from scratch. I'm bad enough at making characters as it is.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

it would be nice if the character creator system didn't have gender as an option, just body sliders so you could craft what you wanted without a box of presets.

In ESO, characters are created in base of biological sex: male and female. Since sex and gender are different things (as some claim), you can perfectly define the latter via roleplaying and cosmetic stuff, because no one (with exception of some other roleplayers and friends) is going to care if your character identifies as an agender, cisgender, genderfluid.

This is a fantasy game, you don't need to adhere to those inaccurate and binary concepts, hermaphroditic offspring is just one example of a broad range of genetic abnormalities in reproductive organs that you can look into yourself. I think Apache_Kid is right, that there should be a simple check box for male and female, but it wouldn't preclude having a slider that morphs between the two body builds so you could pick a bone structure in the middle somewhere allowing a more feminine and curvy male or a more masculine and svelte male.

coop500

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Stania wrote: »

-The bodypaint pack, face paint pack and cosmetics pack from the crown store allow you to use them on every character, regardless of their race (with exception of khajiit and argonians, for technical reasons).
-Newer makeup and hairstyles can be worn by both sexes.
-All clothing can be worn by either sex.
-ZoS won't modify old cosmetic stuff, unless they release them as a "completely new" item in the crown store. If they're going to pay someone to modify what's already there, that isn't crucial to the game, they'll be better get some revenue from it.

Just wait, you'll have a wider collection of items that catter to your needs.

Now, on the risk of having my response deleted (because "heaven forbid" you dare to engage on this kind of topics in other way that praising or agreeing):

Apache_Kid wrote: »

I would still like gender as an option so I didn't have to try and create a female or male character from scratch. I'm bad enough at making characters as it is.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

it would be nice if the character creator system didn't have gender as an option, just body sliders so you could craft what you wanted without a box of presets.

In ESO, characters are created in base of biological sex: male and female. Since sex and gender are different things (as some claim), you can perfectly define the latter via roleplaying and cosmetic stuff, because no one (with exception of some other roleplayers and friends) is going to care if your character identifies as an agender, cisgender, genderfluid.

This is a fantasy game, you don't need to adhere to those inaccurate and binary concepts, hermaphroditic offspring is just one example of a broad range of genetic abnormalities in reproductive organs that you can look into yourself. I think Apache_Kid is right, that there should be a simple check box for male and female, but it wouldn't preclude having a slider that morphs between the two body builds so you could pick a bone structure in the middle somewhere allowing a more feminine and curvy male or a more masculine and svelte male.

That's what the thin, heavy and muscular slider triangle thing is for, you can make a skinny boy or a buff woman..

Eiagra

I wouldn't mind seeing all customizations available for all races/genders, but some of them are probably harder to mold to certain model types (particularly khajiit/argonian to everyone else), and may take some time to do it properly. There's a number of hair or jewelry styles I would like to have access to, though, and can't because apparently I'm not hairy enough? (I'm looking at you, Khajiit earrings...)

Samadhi

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

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Package of female accessories and cosmetics, I'm a transexual guy who likes to dress and wear femenine clothes and cosmetics, so my character is a true reflection of that personality, but I'm limited when I try to use jewelry, eyelashes and some cosmetics that are only for the female gender. It should be possible for people who buy these cosmetic packages to have the freedom to use them freely, whatever your sexual and gender identity.
...

You do have the freedom to use them freely,
(largely) unimpeded by your sexual and gender identity
aside from your assertion that a specific character model needs to be modifiable in potentially unavailable forms

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

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An example for me is that there is a male khajiit piercing on the nose that I would have liked to put on my argonian, using the packs to unlock those customization options would give more freedom and variety to the game.
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Would like to be able to use Wood Elf/Orc labret piercings on Breton characters
have not picked up the adornment pack due to concerns it will still be unavailable as it is at character creationn
my presupposition is that since the head models used are different, the labret piercings were never tested or adapted for Breton face morphs
so rather than have to alter them in accordance with race, or risk having weird issues like piercings showing up in the center of a mouth
they just locked them out

the issue would likely be more pronounced between male and female characters
and untenable in a swap from Khajiit or Argonian to a different race

If ZOS can alter the coding in a simple manner so that the original cosmetic items work across all races and genders, then fully approve of your idea
if it is going to stray into the direction of them doing remodeling work on all the piercings and stuff to adjust for races
would rather see that artist work time go into producing new cosmetic items and piercing options that are not race or gender limited from the start

Agree with the core concept of your proposal in terms of expanding customization moving forward
potentially going further and requesting that we additionally be able to employ multiple piercings and/or makeup items simultaneously (a nose/labret piercing combo for females, for example)
but disagree with spending more time going back and touching up several year-old items (pending further information that the morphs are already available as assets and are *only* code-locked at present)

Kel

As far as ESO goes, it is leaps and bounds over other MMO's, like World of Warcraft, for example.
Of course there could always be more, but it already has one of the best character customization options of games out there.

Futura_Aeterna

Samadhi wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

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Package of female accessories and cosmetics, I'm a transexual guy who likes to dress and wear femenine clothes and cosmetics, so my character is a true reflection of that personality, but I'm limited when I try to use jewelry, eyelashes and some cosmetics that are only for the female gender. It should be possible for people who buy these cosmetic packages to have the freedom to use them freely, whatever your sexual and gender identity.
...

You do have the freedom to use them freely,
(largely) unimpeded by your sexual and gender identity
aside from your assertion that a specific character model needs to be modifiable in potentially unavailable forms

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

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An example for me is that there is a male khajiit piercing on the nose that I would have liked to put on my argonian, using the packs to unlock those customization options would give more freedom and variety to the game.
...

Would like to be able to use Wood Elf/Orc labret piercings on Breton characters
have not picked up the adornment pack due to concerns it will still be unavailable as it is at character creationn
my presupposition is that since the head models used are different, the labret piercings were never tested or adapted for Breton face morphs
so rather than have to alter them in accordance with race, or risk having weird issues like piercings showing up in the center of a mouth
they just locked them out

the issue would likely be more pronounced between male and female characters
and untenable in a swap from Khajiit or Argonian to a different race

If ZOS can alter the coding in a simple manner so that the original cosmetic items work across all races and genders, then fully approve of your idea
if it is going to stray into the direction of them doing remodeling work on all the piercings and stuff to adjust for races
would rather see that artist work time go into producing new cosmetic items and piercing options that are not race or gender limited from the start

Agree with the core concept of your proposal in terms of expanding customization moving forward
potentially going further and requesting that we additionally be able to employ multiple piercings and/or makeup items simultaneously (a nose/labret piercing combo for females, for example)
but disagree with spending more time going back and touching up several year-old items (pending further information that the morphs are already available as assets and are *only* code-locked at present)

I have fallen in love with his particular way of understanding my proposal. +1

SHADOW2KK

"We would all like a greater freedom" etc OP?

Um nope not for me personally, I am sure some would like that.

ListerJMC

Phage wrote: »

Y'know...

I just want more jewellery options for males.

Earrings, eyebrow studs, lip piercings, etc.

It's completely lame that males have extremely limited options for jewellery.

Yes! I want gold hoop earrings for my male Redguard so badly and I have no idea why they're female only (or Khajiit-only, but I figure that's harder to code so I'd settle for the female ones even though the Khajiit ones are more what I'm after).

I am all for more customisation options!!

Kizune_Denki

Recremen wrote: »

Yeah people around here are generally all for more customization options. I'm still waiting to be able to use those cute flowers that female characters can put in their hair. >.<

Me too, and not just for females, I want them for Khajiit's and Argonians. BTW it would be nice to see more beard options for the kitties IMO... we just have a few beards and hairstyles to put into our characters so I approve this post cos I'm getting tired of having the same options constantly and nothing new...

Y'know ... it would be fun/great to see females with manly bodies or even expressions... As males with more ... "delicate" bodies aaah and voices too, why not?