It really depends, some dungeons are harder than others and have different requirements. Most vet people will probably expect 15 to 20K DPS minimum though, which is why my DPS toons never go into vet dungeons until I get them better.

Also DLC dungeons are always harder than base game dungeons.

non dlc vets you can easily run them with 20k dps. Even City of Ash 2 you can easily complete it now with just that.

Dlc Vets I certainly expect more than 25k minimum, 30k dps for a smooth run.


But for real, 10~12k dps? You definitely should check some guides online, this is way too low.

Which dungeons have you been soloing and which vet dungeons have you been trying? Those same dungeons that are easy to solo (spindle I, fungal grotto I, coa I, Vaults of madness, Banished cells I etc) absolutely can be done on vet with both dd's doing 12k dps with not much trouble, it will just be very slow.

Thing is, most people looking for group in zone chat want a fast run. So if you are trying to get a group for the same dungeons you soloed, then problem is not difficulty it's speed.

Now if you have been queuing to DLC dungeons, then you are in trouble, as 12k is not enough for those.

My Rotations are influenced by the Build Streamers, not copied from them. I did copy one once that got me to 60K DPS, I did that a few times and went back to the way I always did it. I also don't animation cancel like the young folks around here, my playstyle is more relaxed.

The problem with copying someone else's build, is it is someone else's build, not yours. They also tend to have gear that drops as rewards from the toughest content in the game. Well, if you can do the toughest content in the game, do you really need that gear? Do rotations that make sense to you. Me I don't swap bars all that often, and when I do, it's to go between AoE and Single target, not to go from Attack bar to Buff or Back Bar. You might do that swapping more often, it all depends.

Find skills that make sense to you, and practice the rotations until they feel right to you, then try to do some animation canceling to speed things up.

One rotation example is

1. Buff Skill
2. DoT/Snare
3. Damage Spam or another DoT
4. Damage Spam
5. Shield or Recovery as needed

Notice I did not put any skills in there? I view it as more functions and fill in the skills later.

As for maintaining 25K for a 3 Million HP Target Dummy, sure, you can do that, but, how often in the game do you need to maintain that level of DPS for that long? Not very, and then it's only a few of the DLC Vet Dungeon Bosses or the some of the Vet II Dungeon Bosses that need that. 98% of the content in the game does not require massive DPS forever.

So, in other words, your on the Go Kart track right now, next will be SCCA racing, then Formula Ford, then GTP, then the Sprints, then NASCAR Truck Series, then NASCAR, then Indy Car, then Formula 1. You don't need a Formula One build right now. Heck, Sprints level is all you need for most anything in the game.

12k DPS will get you through any dungeon(Vet, normal, DLC, any of them except vRoM and maybe one or two others) it just a matter of how long it will take. If you have low DPS, you better make up for it with skilled gameplay as far as mechanics go. As a tank, I honestly don't care about DPS numbers if the player knows the mechanics well enough for it not to matter. The one exception being vRoM, where a minimum DPS is required for the last boss. The nightmare is when someone has low DPS, and also cant survive(standing in the Ogrim breath in vCoS, standing in the stupids, not letting the tank aggro the mob before rushing in, etc.)

If you stay alive then 12k is do-able for any non-dlc vet dungeon. For dlc dungeons, you'd have to be a master at the mechanics to make that work.

Problem would be if you get in a dungeon and the other DPS does 5k. If you were doing 20-30 then it would be workable but with only 12k it would be a slow slog.

Nestor wrote: »

I did copy one once that got me to 60K DPS

Pics or it didn't happen.

60k isn't a ST number outside of seriously ideal raid situations (and even then I don't think many of those groups have even one person who has done that. Breaking 50k is a massive accomplishment and requires a near-flawless gear and rotation combo on top of a full supporting raid.).

I sincerely DOUBT you hit that in a non-AoE fight. (AoE is not considered valid when comparing solo parses. If I were to pick my top AoE parse, it would be something like 200k in CoHII with elemental rage on trash packs.)

You really want 15k per DPS for vet dungeons and normal trials, 20k for vet DLC, and 25k bare minimum for vet trials.

I find it significantly easier to solo normals than to do most Vet dungeons no matter the group. Granted, I use max CP and optimal gear, but Vet dungeons overall are harder. The damage is so low in normals that you can ignore most boss mechanics and there really aren't any one-shots. But in Vet, even if your group is really, really good, you are responsible for avoiding most damage- you can't just rely on your healer.

Valera Progib wrote: »

If you want to solo something go to veteran maelstrom arena

Oh, I will. I definitely will. No reason for a thread like this if I had no plans on that. At the moment, I can't do it. It took me a long time to beat normal, but now I just walk right through it. For vet, I can't get out of the first round. The gap is insane. That's what had me wondering about the Dungeon gap. My gut says that if you can solo normal, you should be allowed to participate in vet as 1 of 4. The overall group seems to think that mostly holds up, but also that if the other dps is worse than me, it's bad news for all four of us. I also get the sense that everyone says it's doable, but they'd rather have a stronger dps in the group. I'm not entering a group with people who don't want me there and when you are honest about low dps, people don't.

Also for vMA, I think I need gear from dungeons to do better. Pledge keys from soloing normal dungeons is slow going. Transmutation crystals are literally 1 slow normal dungeon at a time and of course I don't have a single monster helmet. I'm hoping there is a decent helmet for sale tonight to at least get me started.

Regardless, there are nice people out there if I can just be a bit more social. I'm fine with straight up hand eye coordination games, I have gold, 525 cp to work with, I can craft and I have no ego about any of this. Reasonable dps should be doable if I finally just reach out and look for the right guild. For that I think I'll take the kind offers here and give that a shot this weekend.

On a side note, I'm a Khajiit stamblade. The "hardest class" thread has me wondering if I should just respec to give magblade a shot.

You can solo spindle I at level 12 on a stamina templar. Cp jacked difficulty up, as older players with more cp have immense power that newer players can not achieve. That said, soloing a normal is harder than most story I vets in a group. Story II depend, and vet dlc are a whole new level.