I kinda feel that seeing as Transmutation crystals are way easier to gain via PvP, that they are rewarding PvP. I'm

lao wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Interesting idea, but how would it be awarded? Emperor isn't strictly a sign of your skill and might be too restrictive. Grand Overlord reward? A good indicator of your time invested, but an insane grind. Nothing else seems like it would be appropriate enough for how special the weapons should be. In the past master weapons were awarded for top leaderboard scores which could be a way to go again, but still, that's not a sign of your skill, but of just how much time you're able to put in for the most part. I'm a horrible pvp player, but even I could hit a leaderboard score by spending enough time in pvp taking resources over and over.

ok and learning an AI script to tap left and right to avoid red circles while spamming the same buttons in the same order over and over and over without the slightest trace of dynamic combat = skill?

i see

Don't misunderstand me. Actual pvp where you are playing against other players, solo, small scale and even AvA. These things require skill and yes, I do think PvE also requires skill. What I'm saying is that the measure of a player in pvp right now is based on AP acquisition and that particular element doesn't necessarily require skill. If these new weapons were awarded for leaderboard rank for instance, it would spawn a new type of pvp metagame and I'm not sure it would lead to a healthier pvp environment. You could just sell them for AP (bind on pickup) at the golden vendor at that point and it wouldn't be much different.

ToRelax wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

They had the chance with Morrowind (BG). Bar some new arenas or mods to BG, I dont see them ever making another big PVP dlc and they arent going to make these weapons just like that, without selling them with new dlc.

In some ways, its probably good thing. Not that they should not be accessible from PVP, but by being only from PVP it would create complex problem of how to get them. Most top challenges in PVP (be emperor, best at campaing, best at BG leaderboards, best at duels, etc) are much more difficult that finish solo arena or finish this normal trial.
Basically, dedicated PVPers should be rewarded with a way to obtain these weapons without PVE, but nobody should be forced to become dedicated PVPer (which all pvp leadersboards and emperor require) to acquire them.

Although I don't disagree with you, currently you have to dedicate a lot of time into PvE for perfected weapons instead. That's no better either.

Well, we have imperfected so it is not really issue and if you are good enough to finish vAS hardmore or to get on the leaderboards you can in theory just do it once. But even if you are the best ESO PVP player in the world, you have to spent huuuge amount of time grinding kills and AP in BG/cyrodiil

Plus everyone else doing the same will actually lower your chances of getting it. Something like that is not happening in PVE (short of the leaderboards part), there is no limit that says only first 100 get the weapon. First 100 in VMA will get additional weapon as reward, but they already got one from even finishing the content. There is nothing in PVP that is finishable and plenty of things are out of control. Winning campaign for the rewards would prove very difficult for EP on Vivec PC EU as you sure are aware, on the other hand it would be totally for free on Sotha.

Seeing as the game already calculates killing % through your AP gain (100% if solo killed or X% if assisted) and gives X amount of people AP for ticks, surely it wouldn’t be too difficult to add in another leaderboard/ranking system to offer PvP unique weapons based around +/- AP.

SugaComa wrote: »

lao wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Interesting idea, but how would it be awarded? Emperor isn't strictly a sign of your skill and might be too restrictive. Grand Overlord reward? A good indicator of your time invested, but an insane grind. Nothing else seems like it would be appropriate enough for how special the weapons should be. In the past master weapons were awarded for top leaderboard scores which could be a way to go again, but still, that's not a sign of your skill, but of just how much time you're able to put in for the most part. I'm a horrible pvp player, but even I could hit a leaderboard score by spending enough time in pvp taking resources over and over.

ok and learning an AI script to tap left and right to avoid red circles while spamming the same buttons in the same order over and over and over without the slightest trace of dynamic combat = skill?

i see

This games sorely lacks more dynamic combat mechanics

Rotations and animations cancelling shouldn't be a thing, reacting to a specific attack With either a counter attack or a defence should be though

Though I think more dynamic stuff should be added. (Lel GG after making everything uncounterable and expensive af.) Anicanceling and rotations should stay so a good player can weave them in between defenses and create a higher skillcap.

I may primarily be a PvE'er, but I think this would be a nice idea and would give the PvP crowd a tangible reward to work towards that isn't a fancy title.

A collection of weapons, which have a skill that would be useful for PvP.

I would say "add more PvE rewards to PvP such as vMA and vDSA weapons" but I fear other PvE'ers would riot. I don't think the servers could handle the stress of all the traffic either.

I'd love it if they revisited the approach where the top % on leaderboard gets weapons, AND their is a PvE route for weapons. Seems pretty obvious.

never ever BiS weapon/armor should come from pvp. People will immediately exploit it and will farm it. Remember Emp farms? You cannot conspire with game mechanics, but you always will do this with other fraction.

-vovus

Remember when we could get master weapons from PvP?
We need that system back actually.

IF you're in top 100 you should be rewarded with a random master/asylum/maelstrom weapon.
This number might change for other campaigns.

*before some piece of pug comes here and trashtalks me, I do have vMA/asylum weapons.
Im just asking this for people without DLC access or people who dont want to do trials to be relevant in PvP.

You guys are making this WAY too complicated. All they need to do is make them available at the Golden Vendor for some quantity of AP.

PvP grind is the same grind as PvE. Runninng around with a huge zerg spamming mutagen and gaining PvP ranks or how they did with AP farming about 6 months ago...

Battlegrounds are more relevant in terms of PvP rewards...

“Ability changing” items should be under solo trials if you ask me...