Do you think the Exploit Perma Ban was too harsh? Yes or No?

Slick_007 · November 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

They were operating within the existing game design and are not using external cheats or outside programs to accomplish the exploit. And yes - to me this does matter.

no they were not operating within the game design. not one bit.

[Edit to remove bait]

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos · November 2017

If people cheat online in anonymity they'd do it irl if they could get away with it.

If it was up to me i would ban them permanently in a heartbeat.

Zero empathy for this BS behaviour.

BlazingDynamo · November 2017

Absolutely hilarious that when an exploit gets around in this game and Zos just slaps them on the wrist with a 3 day ban, people complain it wasn't enough. Now that they finally put the hammer down on all this exploiting people are trying to defend the players saying it was too harsh lol what the hell do you people want? Or right, you haven't a friggin clue what you want.

xXMichonneXx · November 2017

There are two YouTube videos on how they were doing the glitch, both posted by same person under different user names. I'm guessing he and his pal are banned. SMH

Elsonso · November 2017

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Absolutely hilarious that when an exploit gets around in this game and Zos just slaps them on the wrist with a 3 day ban, people complain it wasn't enough. Now that they finally put the hammer down on all this exploiting people are trying to defend the players saying it was too harsh lol what the hell do you people want? Or right, you haven't a friggin clue what you want.

People. plural human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest

You know, we aren't all the same person and we don't all want the same thing, right?

I want the cheaters to get a fair trial, and when the formalities are all taken care of, permanently ban them. Then unban them so that we can permanently ban them over and over.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2017

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

If people cheat online in anonymity they'd do it irl if they could get away with it.

If it was up to me i would ban them permanently in a heartbeat.

Zero empathy for this BS behaviour.

Do you follow the same line of thinking for murdering people? Or is it just randomly applied to cheating for some reason?

BlazingDynamo · November 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Absolutely hilarious that when an exploit gets around in this game and Zos just slaps them on the wrist with a 3 day ban, people complain it wasn't enough. Now that they finally put the hammer down on all this exploiting people are trying to defend the players saying it was too harsh lol what the hell do you people want? Or right, you haven't a friggin clue what you want.

People. plural human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest

You know, we aren't all the same person and we don't all want the same thing, right?

I want the cheaters to get a fair trial, and when the formalities are all taken care of, permanently ban them. Then unban them so that we can permanently ban them over and over.

Thanks for the attempted grammar lesson but I defiantly know how to use the word 'people' properly.

I didn't specifically state you in my post so don't get so defensive. The world doesn't revolve around you. I'm obviously speaking of those actually defending exploiters.

CMFan1966 · November 2017

I didn't even know about this until last night. What is the point of playing a game if you are going to cheat? Where is the fun in that? If someone stumbled onto the exploit by accident and reported it, they did their due diligence and don't deserve a ban. If someone paid money or earned money to experience the exploit and gain from it, then I wish I was the one holding the ban hammer.

BrightOblivion · November 2017

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Absolutely hilarious that when an exploit gets around in this game and Zos just slaps them on the wrist with a 3 day ban, people complain it wasn't enough. Now that they finally put the hammer down on all this exploiting people are trying to defend the players saying it was too harsh lol what the hell do you people want? Or right, you haven't a friggin clue what you want.

People. plural human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest

You know, we aren't all the same person and we don't all want the same thing, right?

I want the cheaters to get a fair trial, and when the formalities are all taken care of, permanently ban them. Then unban them so that we can permanently ban them over and over.

Thanks for the attempted grammar lesson but I defiantly know how to use the word 'people' properly.

I didn't specifically state you in my post so don't get so defensive. The world doesn't revolve around you. I'm obviously speaking of those actually defending exploiters.

Okay.

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I suppose either works in this case, though.

Elsonso · November 2017

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Thanks for the attempted grammar lesson but I defiantly know how to use the word 'people' properly.

Yes. You keep up with that defiance.

BlazingDynamo · November 2017

BrightOblivion wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Absolutely hilarious that when an exploit gets around in this game and Zos just slaps them on the wrist with a 3 day ban, people complain it wasn't enough. Now that they finally put the hammer down on all this exploiting people are trying to defend the players saying it was too harsh lol what the hell do you people want? Or right, you haven't a friggin clue what you want.

People. plural human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest

You know, we aren't all the same person and we don't all want the same thing, right?

I want the cheaters to get a fair trial, and when the formalities are all taken care of, permanently ban them. Then unban them so that we can permanently ban them over and over.

Thanks for the attempted grammar lesson but I defiantly know how to use the word 'people' properly.

I didn't specifically state you in my post so don't get so defensive. The world doesn't revolve around you. I'm obviously speaking of those actually defending exploiters.

Okay.

I suppose either works in this case, though.

What were we talking about again? Oh right..

idk · November 2017

mewcatus wrote: »

Looking at the polls, it is obvious that the silent majority supports the ban, despite the vocal opposition in the thread.

This is a gaming forums . Some like to argue against the masses regardless of anything. This was not just an exploit, but people were exploiting the exploit to enrich themselves in game and bragged about it in social media.

True idiots and deserved the ban hammer. Granted, some were not so bright and got themselves caught up in this directly, but C'Est la Vie.

MercyKilling · November 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Do you follow the same line of thinking for murdering people? Or is it just randomly applied to cheating for some reason?

Yes. Yes, I do. However, capital punishment is hardly applicable to a VIDEO GAME. Punishment is supposed to deter the unwanted action. If punishment is not severe enough, then it is useless.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2017

MercyKilling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Do you follow the same line of thinking for murdering people? Or is it just randomly applied to cheating for some reason?

Yes. Yes, I do. However, capital punishment is hardly applicable to a VIDEO GAME. Punishment is supposed to deter the unwanted action. If punishment is not severe enough, then it is useless.

Yes it is a video game. Let me explain since it seems to be confusing. The personI quoted stated if someone is going to cheat online then they would irl if they could get away with it. I was asking what I thought a obvious follow up might be. Do you feel that if people kill others online, they would do it irl if they could get away with it. The quote statement seemed silly to me. So I connected it with something even more silly. The fact that we are all waiting for the chance to kill our neighbors irl, if only we could get away with it.

Because obviously an online behavior is a clear indication of what one would do irl.

Nelson_Rebel · November 2017

They cheated, point blank period. No and’s if’s or but’s about it.

They knew exactly what they were doing and even if someone was on the run for the first time, If the boss is not doing anything, you already KNOW what’s going on from that point on.

So to those against it, stop your silly whining. Completely justified ban. They can buy new accounts and still play. They just have to do it legitimately now instead of violating the ZoS agreement. Which if you haven’t read it, it says very clearly and in NO uncertain terms that exploiters can and will be banned and YOU agreed to it from the start. That’s no ones fault but your own.

Lazy cheaters

Slick_007 · November 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Do you follow the same line of thinking for murdering people? Or is it just randomly applied to cheating for some reason?

Yes. Yes, I do. However, capital punishment is hardly applicable to a VIDEO GAME. Punishment is supposed to deter the unwanted action. If punishment is not severe enough, then it is useless.

Yes it is a video game. Let me explain since it seems to be confusing. The personI quoted stated if someone is going to cheat online then they would irl if they could get away with it. I was asking what I thought a obvious follow up might be. Do you feel that if people kill others online, they would do it irl if they could get away with it. The quote statement seemed silly to me. So I connected it with something even more silly. The fact that we are all waiting for the chance to kill our neighbors irl, if only we could get away with it.

Because obviously an online behavior is a clear indication of what one would do irl.

completely incorrect. cheating is more an attitude than an action. we dont think they'd repeat what they do in the game, but we think they will take that same attitude to real life. and yes, those people will hopefully win darwin awards at some point. Id like to see them cheat there.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Do you follow the same line of thinking for murdering people? Or is it just randomly applied to cheating for some reason?

Yes. Yes, I do. However, capital punishment is hardly applicable to a VIDEO GAME. Punishment is supposed to deter the unwanted action. If punishment is not severe enough, then it is useless.

Yes it is a video game. Let me explain since it seems to be confusing. The personI quoted stated if someone is going to cheat online then they would irl if they could get away with it. I was asking what I thought a obvious follow up might be. Do you feel that if people kill others online, they would do it irl if they could get away with it. The quote statement seemed silly to me. So I connected it with something even more silly. The fact that we are all waiting for the chance to kill our neighbors irl, if only we could get away with it.

Because obviously an online behavior is a clear indication of what one would do irl.

completely incorrect. cheating is more an attitude than an action. we dont think they'd repeat what they do in the game, but we think they will take that same attitude to real life. and yes, those people will hopefully win darwin awards at some point. Id like to see them cheat there.

Ah I see. Cheating is an ‘attitude’. That way we can pretend that some how this one specific online trait means they are a *** irl so we don’t have to feel bad about mocking them. But we can safely feel happy about whatever bad behavior we commit online, because we don’t have that, ‘attitude’. So we can tell ourselves we aren’t really like that in real life. I get it. Makes sense. I just want aware of these arbitrary rules or ‘attitudes’ we were making up. Carry on.

AbysmalGhul · November 2017

The bans were appropriate. So long "defiant people "

Slick_007 · November 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Ah I see. Cheating is an ‘attitude’. That way we can pretend that some how this one specific online trait means they are a *** irl so we don’t have to feel bad about mocking them. But we can safely feel happy about whatever bad behavior we commit online, because we don’t have that, ‘attitude’. So we can tell ourselves we aren’t really like that in real life. I get it. Makes sense. I just want aware of these arbitrary rules or ‘attitudes’ we were making up. Carry on.

no. you dont see. thats apparent from your post. you're still defending their actions with some very weird and bizarre illogical argument. there is no defense for what they did.

Ackwalan · November 2017

There are hours of videos on you tube making excuses about this. The tears are delicious.

Vapirko · November 2017

The only other acceptable action would be a long ban, 6 months to 1 year ban. But honestly ZOS has been way to lax about exploits and cheating. Simple as this, don’t exploit. Thousands of us manage not to everyday.

Mureel · November 2017

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Absolutely hilarious that when an exploit gets around in this game and Zos just slaps them on the wrist with a 3 day ban, people complain it wasn't enough. Now that they finally put the hammer down on all this exploiting people are trying to defend the players saying it was too harsh lol what the hell do you people want? Or right, you haven't a friggin clue what you want.

People. plural human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest

You know, we aren't all the same person and we don't all want the same thing, right?

I want the cheaters to get a fair trial, and when the formalities are all taken care of, permanently ban them. Then unban them so that we can permanently ban them over and over.

Thanks for the attempted grammar lesson but I defiantly know how to use the word 'people' properly.

I didn't specifically state you in my post so don't get so defensive. The world doesn't revolve around you. I'm obviously speaking of those actually defending exploiters.

You know defiantly do you? xD I think you mean definitely. Also, had you put a comma after the word exploiting, people would have known better what you meant, and that you’d definitely used the word people correctly.

Your issue is with punctuation, rather than using the incorrect word.

Illurian · November 2017

So I've been really ignorant about this whole exploit thing that has been exploding across the forums. Been searching for an article detailing the events but can't find one! Does anyone have a link to a thread or article that explains what happened and why?

All I know is some people got banned for abusing some kind of exploit, but I dont know how long the ban is and what the exploit was!

JasonSilverSpring · November 2017

Illurian wrote: »

So I've been really ignorant about this whole exploit thing that has been exploding across the forums. Been searching for an article detailing the events but can't find one! Does anyone have a link to a thread or article that explains what happened and why?

All I know is some people got banned for abusing some kind of exploit, but I dont know how long the ban is and what the exploit was!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380210/response-to-the-veteran-hard-mode-asylum-sanctorium-trial-exploit-nov-10/p1

If you click through the developer comments in that thread you will get the details. Also, using the Dev Tracker will net you the messages they posted about this exploit.

Illurian · November 2017

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

So I've been really ignorant about this whole exploit thing that has been exploding across the forums. Been searching for an article detailing the events but can't find one! Does anyone have a link to a thread or article that explains what happened and why?

All I know is some people got banned for abusing some kind of exploit, but I dont know how long the ban is and what the exploit was!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380210/response-to-the-veteran-hard-mode-asylum-sanctorium-trial-exploit-nov-10/p1

If you click through the developer comments in that thread you will get the details. Also, using the Dev Tracker will net you the messages they posted about this exploit.

Thank you!

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Ah I see. Cheating is an ‘attitude’. That way we can pretend that some how this one specific online trait means they are a *** irl so we don’t have to feel bad about mocking them. But we can safely feel happy about whatever bad behavior we commit online, because we don’t have that, ‘attitude’. So we can tell ourselves we aren’t really like that in real life. I get it. Makes sense. I just want aware of these arbitrary rules or ‘attitudes’ we were making up. Carry on.

no. you dont see. thats apparent from your post. you're still defending their actions with some very weird and bizarre illogical argument. there is no defense for what they did.

Again someone is confused. Point out to me where I have defended their actions at all? In this very thread I have said that I am happy that zos has stepped up in the punishment that they are leveling against cheaters.

The only thing I am argueing against here is that something you do online here, some how indicates what type of person you are in real life. You want to talk illogical arguements? The 100 people or so that have been caught cheating here all share some sort of magical cheating ‘attitude’ that makes them bad people irl. Sounds pretty silly to me.

To sum up so some still isn’t confused. People did something stupid in a video game and tried to do something against the rules to gain an advantage. They were caught and punished. As they should be. This does not make them horrible people in real life. It does not make them liars and cheaters in real life. All it does prove is that they did something stupid in a video game and got punished for it. Again rightfully so.

Tandor · November 2017

I'm not sure I'd use the term "attitude", but so far as a person's moral outlook on life is concerned, there will be plenty of people whose principles would prevent them from deliberately and consciously cheating in any aspect of life including games, while there is certainly an argument that those whose principles allow them deliberately and consciously to cheat in a game may make them more likely to cheat in other aspects of their life.

MercyKilling · November 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Because obviously an online behavior is a clear indication of what one would do irl.

Well, there's this old saying that goes "Character is what you are in the dark." which means.....you really are what you do when you know there's no consequence. I'm sure enough THAT is what that post (I read it too) was referencing in an oblique way.
Yes. People really WOULD do things that are horrible irl and commonplace in a video game. Not everyone, of course. But just look at all these shootings and ask that question again.

Edited to add:

No, I don't think the permaban was too harsh. I think more people should've been permabanned TBH.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2017

Tandor wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd use the term "attitude", but so far as a person's moral outlook on life is concerned, there will be plenty of people whose principles would prevent them from deliberately and consciously cheating in any aspect of life including games, while there is certainly an argument that those whose principles allow them deliberately and consciously to cheat in a game may make them more likely to cheat in other aspects of their life.

That I can certainly agree with. It is possible that the way people act online MAY indicate they have a certain tilt to the way they see the world and they way they respond to life. But it is no hard a fast rule. Like those who t-bag, those that try to kill steal, those who run by you to a reaource, those who ‘steal’ chest from you? What do they say about How the person behind the keyboard acts in real life? More then likely, nothing at all.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2017

MercyKilling wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Because obviously an online behavior is a clear indication of what one would do irl.

Well, there's this old saying that goes "Character is what you are in the dark." which means.....you really are what you do when you know there's no consequence. I'm sure enough THAT is what that post (I read it too) was referencing in an oblique way.
Yes. People really WOULD do things that are horrible irl and commonplace in a video game. Not everyone, of course. But just look at all these shootings and ask that question again.

Edited to add:

No, I don't think the permaban was too harsh. I think more people should've been permabanned TBH.

Yes people do things horrible irl that are common place in video games. My question though, is there a connection?

You bring up all the shootings. So I have to ask. Does that mean that you feel that people who kill other things in games, or perhaps those that do the dark brotherhood questline are more likely to kill someone irl?