[s]New[/s] Never Ending List of Garbage Sets

Destruent · November 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some of my list of weak 5-piece bonuses:
Hide of the Werewolf gives 1 ultimate/second, which isn't a lot, and then only if you're constantly taking damage while wearing medium armor. Huh?

You are aware that most PvP HA builds run a "medium armor" set on jewels, yet alone for the stamina trait? And that set is pure gold, especially when you build around your ultimate.

Okay, but why this instead of Shalk? Ultimate when taking damage vs Minor Heroism all the time?

Even if your Ultimate is your builds workhorse, you can't negate the usual skills. Shalk is great, but it won't be good on someone who uses a stam build.

Shalk is useless on a tank, bc you want to use heroic slash all the time on bosses anyway...

Ihatenightblades · November 2017

I agree with most but hunt leader is no where near worst. Stam nightblades can use it with shade and it procs all the time.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · November 2017

"One Man's Trash is Another Man's Treasure".......
Heck, I knew a player who had a full set of "Prosperous", before the change, that they used for farming.
"Garbage Set's" are like beauty. It is in the eyes of the beholder....
My 2 Drakes!
Huzzah!!!

Destruent · November 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

"One Man's Trash is Another Man's Treasure".......
Heck, I knew a player who had a full set of "Prosperous", before the change, that they used for farming.
"Garbage Set's" are like beauty. It is in the eyes of the beholder....
My 2 Drakes!
Huzzah!!!

Funfact: with 7/7 impen he would have made more gold bc of lower repcost which is worth more than the extra money from prosperous...

We should better say: Although some sets are crap, some people will use them and will be happy about them.

exeeter702 · November 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

"One Man's Trash is Another Man's Treasure".......
Heck, I knew a player who had a full set of "Prosperous", before the change, that they used for farming.
"Garbage Set's" are like beauty. It is in the eyes of the beholder....
My 2 Drakes!
Huzzah!!!

No sorry, there are objectively inferior sets compared to others. Wether or not one choses to use said sets does not change this fact.

WillhelmBlack · November 2017

Well number 9. Oblivions Foe set. That's a beginner set that will boost your first free skill, Soul Trap. That's really good and it makes Soul Assault incredibly powerful when you get that unlocked.

Oh wait.

It's 8 trait and only effects Soul Trap not Soul Assault.

The rest I can forgive, except maybe Redistributer or Shalidors Curse. I do wonder if any players have ever even crafted any of this shite, and whether they did it serious or to troll someone.

crusnik91 · November 2017

elijafire wrote: »

10. Daedric Trickery: most of the buffs are easily gotten elsewhere, and the ones that are not (like Major Protection) are going to happen 10 seconds out of 100 on average

This set is really strong in non-CP for templar. The only sad thing is that u need to 5 piece it. As for the explanation and point proving I will just leave a gameplay video for it. Detailed explanations are in build video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p23Um1YfQhU

Build Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVru7tK591w

Kartalin · November 2017

elijafire wrote: »

1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)

Let's compare Magicka Furnace to Lich:

Most people have a generally positive opinion of Lich for PVP, and while it doesn't technically appear on your list you might consider it under the heading of sets with cool downs.

Lich increases recovery by 1032 for 20 seconds every minute, meaning that every 2 seconds you get an additional 1032 magicka return. Over the course of 20 seconds that's 10 ticks of 1032 magicka which means you get 10320 magicka returned every minute from this set.

Magicka Furnace only has a 30 second cooldown and returns 8000 each proc, so it has the possibility of returning 16000 magicka every minute. The problem with MF is the proc condition occurs when you're under 80% magicka. Which means to get its full benefit (of most of it) you would need to have at least 35k magicka (40k for full benefit if it procs instantly). So for CP based PVP I think it becomes a viable set that can be an improvement over Lich for those that are fans of that set.

The real problem with MF is it comes from Direfrost Keep which means that to successfully farm it you need a group that sort of knows what they're doing. Generally pug groups from the dungeon finder are incapable of completing the final boss from my own experiences, so unless you have a group of friends willing to help you it's problematic at best. That's the main reason I'm still using Rattlecage/Lich/Skoria for BGs.

elijafire · November 2017

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Well number 9. Oblivions Foe set. That's a beginner set that will boost your first free skill, Soul Trap. That's really good and it makes Soul Assault incredibly powerful when you get that unlocked.

Oh wait.

It's 8 trait and only effects Soul Trap not Soul Assault.

The rest I can forgive, except maybe Redistributer or Shalidors Curse. I do wonder if any players have ever even crafted any of this shite, and whether they did it serious or to troll someone.

I made redistributer a few times... for Writ Quests

Tasear wrote: »

Almost all sets been defended, but prayer shawl still sits on foul waters.

Defended poorly perhaps, but not really defended.

Kartalin wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)

Let's compare Magicka Furnace to Lich:

Most people have a generally positive opinion of Lich for PVP, and while it doesn't technically appear on your list you might consider it under the heading of sets with cool downs.

Lich increases recovery by 1032 for 20 seconds every minute, meaning that every 2 seconds you get an additional 1032 magicka return. Over the course of 20 seconds that's 10 ticks of 1032 magicka which means you get 10320 magicka returned every minute from this set.

Magicka Furnace only has a 30 second cooldown and returns 8000 each proc, so it has the possibility of returning 16000 magicka every minute. The problem with MF is the proc condition occurs when you're under 80% magicka. Which means to get its full benefit (of most of it) you would need to have at least 35k magicka (40k for full benefit if it procs instantly). So for CP based PVP I think it becomes a viable set that can be an improvement over Lich for those that are fans of that set.

The real problem with MF is it comes from Direfrost Keep which means that to successfully farm it you need a group that sort of knows what they're doing. Generally pug groups from the dungeon finder are incapable of completing the final boss from my own experiences, so unless you have a group of friends willing to help you it's problematic at best. That's the main reason I'm still using Rattlecage/Lich/Skoria for BGs.

I apologize MF was a redundant post and should be included in the *most sets with greater than 3 second CD* but yes Lich is one of those crap, other sets do it better, things.

WrathOfInnos · November 2017

DoccEff wrote: »

Ysgramor's Birthright. 400 SD for cold abilities.

So true, to become competitive this set bonus would have to make up for the lack of 8% damage bonus for not using inferno or lightning staff (as well as another 18% from minor vulnerability on concussion and off-balance exploiter in some cases). Even if we assume the 8% single target (inferno) or AoE (lightning) only applies to half the users skills, this still puts frost DPS 4% behind the other elements.

4% damage is roughly equivalent to 250 spell damage for most builds, so Ysgramor would need a buff to 650 spell damage on the 5 piece to compete with Sun or Netch. Lol, seems unlikely to happen.

IcyDeadPeople · November 2017

Several crafted sets I would include here, that could be quite nice with a small buff:

elijafire wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Well number 9. Oblivions Foe set. That's a beginner set that will boost your first free skill, Soul Trap. That's really good and it makes Soul Assault incredibly powerful when you get that unlocked.

Oh wait.

It's 8 trait and only effects Soul Trap not Soul Assault.

The rest I can forgive, except maybe Redistributer or Shalidors Curse. I do wonder if any players have ever even crafted any of this shite, and whether they did it serious or to troll someone.

I made redistributer a few times... for Writ Quests

Tasear wrote: »

Almost all sets been defended, but prayer shawl still sits on foul waters.

Defended poorly perhaps, but not really defended.

Kartalin wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)

Let's compare Magicka Furnace to Lich:

Most people have a generally positive opinion of Lich for PVP, and while it doesn't technically appear on your list you might consider it under the heading of sets with cool downs.

Lich increases recovery by 1032 for 20 seconds every minute, meaning that every 2 seconds you get an additional 1032 magicka return. Over the course of 20 seconds that's 10 ticks of 1032 magicka which means you get 10320 magicka returned every minute from this set.

Magicka Furnace only has a 30 second cooldown and returns 8000 each proc, so it has the possibility of returning 16000 magicka every minute. The problem with MF is the proc condition occurs when you're under 80% magicka. Which means to get its full benefit (of most of it) you would need to have at least 35k magicka (40k for full benefit if it procs instantly). So for CP based PVP I think it becomes a viable set that can be an improvement over Lich for those that are fans of that set.

The real problem with MF is it comes from Direfrost Keep which means that to successfully farm it you need a group that sort of knows what they're doing. Generally pug groups from the dungeon finder are incapable of completing the final boss from my own experiences, so unless you have a group of friends willing to help you it's problematic at best. That's the main reason I'm still using Rattlecage/Lich/Skoria for BGs.

I apologize MF was a redundant post and should be included in the *most sets with greater than 3 second CD* but yes Lich is one of those crap, other sets do it better, things.

Magicka Furnace would be great with say, 15 second cooldown. Duration of 30 seconds is too long, but for quite a lot of sets 3 seconds would be too frequent.

WrathOfInnos · November 2017

Kartalin wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)

Let's compare Magicka Furnace to Lich:

Most people have a generally positive opinion of Lich for PVP, and while it doesn't technically appear on your list you might consider it under the heading of sets with cool downs.

Lich increases recovery by 1032 for 20 seconds every minute, meaning that every 2 seconds you get an additional 1032 magicka return. Over the course of 20 seconds that's 10 ticks of 1032 magicka which means you get 10320 magicka returned every minute from this set.

Magicka Furnace only has a 30 second cooldown and returns 8000 each proc, so it has the possibility of returning 16000 magicka every minute. The problem with MF is the proc condition occurs when you're under 80% magicka. Which means to get its full benefit (of most of it) you would need to have at least 35k magicka (40k for full benefit if it procs instantly). So for CP based PVP I think it becomes a viable set that can be an improvement over Lich for those that are fans of that set.

The real problem with MF is it comes from Direfrost Keep which means that to successfully farm it you need a group that sort of knows what they're doing. Generally pug groups from the dungeon finder are incapable of completing the final boss from my own experiences, so unless you have a group of friends willing to help you it's problematic at best. That's the main reason I'm still using Rattlecage/Lich/Skoria for BGs.

One additional thought in this comparison. Lich benefits from any regen multipliers, so if you are an Altmer (9%) Vampire (10%) with an alliance support skill slotted (purge, barrier, 10%), major and minor intellect buffs (10% and 20%), and 100 CPs in Arcanist (15%) then you get a 74% multiplier on regen. This brings the 10320 Magicka per minute up to 17957, surpassing the performance of magicka furnace, and not requiring you to take damage to activate.

Tannus15 · November 2017

All trials heavy armour sets are terrible.

Immortal Yokeda
Eternal Yokeda
Resilient Yokeda
Advancing Yokeda
Lunar Bastion
Autonomous Defence
Footman's Fortune

None of these are worth using in any content.

rotaugen454 · November 2017

Any set I use automatically becomes a garbage set. How else can you explain my poor performance?

TheDoomsdayMonster · November 2017

fred4 wrote: »

I am evaluating Combat Physician for solo PvP on a magblade at the moment. I think it's far from useless, although I am not sure whether I will continue wearing it yet. In it's favor:

Shield size with 20% into Bastion is about 4.7K. Could be bigger, but I thought I'd mention the effect that CP have.

With a HOT running you can force activation by using Shadowy Disguise. Thus it may be possible to single bar it.

As ever: Shields can't be crit, thus it enables more mitigation in PvP than half the PvE value.

The 2, 3, 4 bonuses are the same as Julianos. Crit bonuses are valuable this patch, especially for nightblades.

The shield size and cooldown could be a bit better, but stacked with Harness Magicka it's quite nice. I even like the fact that it only activates on an actual heal, so it's not on cooldown when really needed. However you may also force activation by having more health on your cloaking bar, which is liable to happen naturally from shadow passives. As you bar switch and cloak, you quite often generate a crit heal, which activates it then. Furthermore it seems to activate from passive CP heals, such as Critical Leech. Triggering it certainly isn't a problem for a nightblade. I assume, but have not yet tried, that it has a chance to activate Infernal Guardian as a knock-on effect, thus enabling extra damage from that set while on a pure attack rotation.

As already pointed out, this set is potentially more useful in IC than pure PvP sets, such as Riposte or Transmutation, since it mitigates damage from bosses as well.

I'm going to throw you a very valuable bone as pertains the Combat Physician gear set:

Healing Ward can proc the Combat Physician Damage Shield...

Thus you can potentially stack damage shields (with the values combining to range anywhere from 6k+ to over 12k+ in a PvP environment) with a single press of a button...

Jeremy · November 2017

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Twice born star. The 5-piece bonus is on par with other sets, with 7 pieces divines. Mage offers about the same as Necropotence, Apprentice is about the same as Julianos, same with Warrior and Hundings, Lover and Spriggans/Spinners.

The problem is the 2-4 piece bonuses. Unlike all the useful sets I just used for comparison, TBS offers Max Health, Stamina, and Magicka. 1/3 of these are useless for PVE DPS, and the health is also not really needed. I would recommend making the hybrid bonuses dual purpose like some of the newer sets, in order to keep this set relevant (it is a 9 trait crafted set, and should be good).

Maybe go with something like this:

(2) Max Health
(3) Max Magicka and Stamina
(4) Weapon and Spell Damage
(5) Double Mundus Stones

Or possibly change the 2 piece to Magicka and Stamina Recovery, instead of health. I don't think that the set should have crit or penetration, since these would make choosing the Thief or Lover stone less desirable as a 2nd Mundus.

Twice Born Star is more versatile and lets you mix and match different Mundus Stone effects. So that is one advantage it has over the other sets that grant similar bonuses.

Being able to do multiple things poorly does not balance it against sets that do one thing well.

The bonuses from Mundus Stones aren't poor though. So I don't understand your point. They are good and offer a wide variety of options.

It would be silly if they offered a better bonus than the more specialized sets - as that would defeat the purpose of being specialized.

ADarklore · November 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

This game has such a vast variety of sets it's pretty much a given you aren't going to like a lot of them. But none of them are useless. They may just compare poorly to the sets you prefer based on your own preferences and play style.

A lot of your arguments seem flawed to me as well. For example: you dismiss the treasure hunter set as useless because you say you can get the major prophecy buff from other sources. While that is true - as a Templar wearing this set would allow me to free up an ability slot instead of having to rely on either Inner Light or vampire's bane/reflective light to obtain it. And having an extra ability slot to work with can hardly be described as useless. So I think you exaggerate when you call these sets useless - especially when you do it on that basis.

Regarding bolded... as others have noted, Inner Light isn't JUST for the crit buff, it also gives you 7% Max Magicka, more if you have other MG skills slotted. Now figure that 7% is roughly 2500+ increase to max magicka, equating to about 250ish or so extra spell damage. So what are you slotting that's giving you the extra spell damage and extra resources that IM does? Are you really actively using all 10 skills that one or two couldn't be sacrificed in order to gain those benefits?

starkerealm · November 2017

Wait... why isn't Ysgramor on this list? I mean, if we're going after garbage sets, what about the one that only applies to 3 (maybe 4) abilities? Or is there some secret use for it, I'm just not seeing?

elijafire · November 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Several crafted sets I would include here, that could be quite nice with a small buff:

elijafire wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Well number 9. Oblivions Foe set. That's a beginner set that will boost your first free skill, Soul Trap. That's really good and it makes Soul Assault incredibly powerful when you get that unlocked.

Oh wait.

It's 8 trait and only effects Soul Trap not Soul Assault.

The rest I can forgive, except maybe Redistributer or Shalidors Curse. I do wonder if any players have ever even crafted any of this shite, and whether they did it serious or to troll someone.

I made redistributer a few times... for Writ Quests

Tasear wrote: »

Almost all sets been defended, but prayer shawl still sits on foul waters.

Defended poorly perhaps, but not really defended.

Kartalin wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)

Let's compare Magicka Furnace to Lich:

Most people have a generally positive opinion of Lich for PVP, and while it doesn't technically appear on your list you might consider it under the heading of sets with cool downs.

Lich increases recovery by 1032 for 20 seconds every minute, meaning that every 2 seconds you get an additional 1032 magicka return. Over the course of 20 seconds that's 10 ticks of 1032 magicka which means you get 10320 magicka returned every minute from this set.

Magicka Furnace only has a 30 second cooldown and returns 8000 each proc, so it has the possibility of returning 16000 magicka every minute. The problem with MF is the proc condition occurs when you're under 80% magicka. Which means to get its full benefit (of most of it) you would need to have at least 35k magicka (40k for full benefit if it procs instantly). So for CP based PVP I think it becomes a viable set that can be an improvement over Lich for those that are fans of that set.

The real problem with MF is it comes from Direfrost Keep which means that to successfully farm it you need a group that sort of knows what they're doing. Generally pug groups from the dungeon finder are incapable of completing the final boss from my own experiences, so unless you have a group of friends willing to help you it's problematic at best. That's the main reason I'm still using Rattlecage/Lich/Skoria for BGs.

I apologize MF was a redundant post and should be included in the *most sets with greater than 3 second CD* but yes Lich is one of those crap, other sets do it better, things.

Magicka Furnace would be great with say, 15 second cooldown. Duration of 30 seconds is too long, but for quite a lot of sets 3 seconds would be too frequent.

Lower it to 3 seconds then decrease the amount it restores. Fixed.

Qbiken · November 2017

Tannus15 wrote: »

All trials heavy armour sets are terrible.

Immortal Yokeda
Eternal Yokeda
Resilient Yokeda
Advancing Yokeda
Lunar Bastion
Autonomous Defence
Footman's Fortune

None of these are worth using in any content.

Those who aren´t overwritten have their usage

, not saying they couldn´t use a buff, but they´ve their place in this game.

WrathOfInnos · November 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Twice born star. The 5-piece bonus is on par with other sets, with 7 pieces divines. Mage offers about the same as Necropotence, Apprentice is about the same as Julianos, same with Warrior and Hundings, Lover and Spriggans/Spinners.

The problem is the 2-4 piece bonuses. Unlike all the useful sets I just used for comparison, TBS offers Max Health, Stamina, and Magicka. 1/3 of these are useless for PVE DPS, and the health is also not really needed. I would recommend making the hybrid bonuses dual purpose like some of the newer sets, in order to keep this set relevant (it is a 9 trait crafted set, and should be good).

Maybe go with something like this:

(2) Max Health
(3) Max Magicka and Stamina
(4) Weapon and Spell Damage
(5) Double Mundus Stones

Or possibly change the 2 piece to Magicka and Stamina Recovery, instead of health. I don't think that the set should have crit or penetration, since these would make choosing the Thief or Lover stone less desirable as a 2nd Mundus.

Twice Born Star is more versatile and lets you mix and match different Mundus Stone effects. So that is one advantage it has over the other sets that grant similar bonuses.

Being able to do multiple things poorly does not balance it against sets that do one thing well.

The bonuses from Mundus Stones aren't poor though. So I don't understand your point. They are good and offer a wide variety of options.

It would be silly if they offered a better bonus than the more specialized sets - as that would defeat the purpose of being specialized.

@Jeremy I don't think it would be silly at all for a 9-trait crafted set to slightly outperform all the 6-trait crafted sets. Even if it was just by 1-2%, the more difficult to craft set should be slightly better. This used to be the case before Thief and Shadow were both nerfed into the ground.

As it stands, there is no combination of Mundus stones that make TBS worth using in PVE. Which ones do you think make this set useful?

elijafire · November 2017

How about these new sets in Morrowind and CWC. I haven't seen any that really impress me.

Asardes · November 2017

Aerithone wrote: »

Hircine is actually pretty solid in our stam raid.
8 stamina dds benefit from it.

I don't think running more than 4, maybe 5 stamina DDs is viable, since those are melee, and many trial fights are limited by design to only allow that number. For example how do you beat vAA with 8 stamina DDs? And also that 12% stamina recovery is in fact very small, less than 100 for an average DD, which runs with 1K or less recovery. Actually most of the stamina return comes not from base recovery but from heavy attacking and class specific abilities so they will not be buffed much by that extra recovery. The percentage applies to the base recovery, just like the other % bonuses, so it will be less than 100 recovery every 2s. Which is quite small. So Hircine's Veneer is an useless set in PvE trials. If they changed it to cost reduction, like Worm Cult, it would become more useful.

JiKama · November 2017

When leveling I use Vampires kiss. I think that's the crafted set from Eastmarch. So long as everything dies I'm staying alive through the set heals. And normally run 3 seducer or 3 hundings with 5 Vampires Kiss based on the character being stam/Magicka.

Kay1 · November 2017

Why the casual are so salty that your sets are being called garbage?

Isn't that your choice?

Isn't that the wonderful "play like you want"

Yeah you wear garbage and we all know but who cares, when there's some OP sets you can make fun of them but when someone talk about how many of the sets in this game are *** (the 90% easily) everyone starts defending them to death, this is actually a very good way for Zenimax to realize it and maybe, just maybe change some of them because all of them have such good ideas but they're so weak and their bonus are so ridiculous that besides people who do quests and spend their days killing mudcrabs the rest of us PvP players or PvE players we can't use them because otherwise we will feel weak and that's not the point of a MMO.

elijafire · November 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

Why the casual are so salty that your sets are being called garbage?

Isn't that your choice?

Isn't that the wonderful "play like you want"

Yeah you wear garbage and we all know but who cares, when there's some OP sets you can make fun of them but when someone talk about how many of the sets in this game are *** (the 90% easily) everyone starts defending them to death, this is actually a very good way for Zenimax to realize it and maybe, just maybe change some of them because all of them have such good ideas but they're so weak and their bonus are so ridiculous that besides people who do quests and spend their days killing mudcrabs the rest of us PvP players or PvE players we can't use them because otherwise we will feel weak and that's not the point of a MMO.

I wish I could pin this on this post as the most epic comment of all time

You have just won the internet Kay

MehrunesFlagon · November 2017

Why even compile a list of garbage? Kind of seems like a waste time.

IcyDeadPeople · November 2017

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Why even compile a list of garbage? Kind of seems like a waste time.

The point is to provide our feedback on these sets and hopefully end up with at least a few of them getting buffed to become viable options.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · November 2017

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Why even compile a list of garbage? Kind of seems like a waste time.

This is a video game, it IS a complete waste of time, so.

MissBizz · November 2017

I would like to see the "nerfed" versionsof trial sets disappear. Why have two different sets exactly the same except one is missing something? Its just a pita to get those in trials