[s]New[/s] Never Ending List of Garbage Sets

starkerealm · November 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Briarheart 5s downtime is meh? It results in exact the same average wpn dmg boost as hundings. Plus aditional healing.

Higher, IIRC. Hundings caps at around 300, while Briar caps at, I want to say 350.

EDIT: Briar caps at 450. It's higher than Hundings, but with downtime. Of the two, I'd take Hundings, but Briar does have a role.

starkerealm · November 2017

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

amasuriel wrote: »

Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.

Okay, I'd stick a maybe on this for Stam Wardens. There's still better options for a stam build, but it is possible.

Wardens and Pack Leader Werewolf packs.

Yeah, I always forget that Pack Leader is now a pet build. I keep remembering back to when it was just a transform extension for the rest of your group.

idk · November 2017

There are players that wear most of the sets OP mentioned. If we do not like it just decon it. Really does not matter either way. As long as there is gear that tickles our fancy it is irrelevant if there are sets we would never wear.

altemriel · November 2017

maybe someone could create a list of BIS sets

. otherwise the best builds are out there on youtube or private sites

TheValar85 · November 2017

em the undaunted setts are usless? well the Ilambris are still best in slot for many sorc builds.

Jeremy · November 2017

elijafire wrote: »

These are 5 pc sets that are utterly useless and may as well be deleted from the game or at least have major overhauls as they are just cluttering up inventories and confusing new players.

Rules of Engagement:

* All previous lists are outdated.
* Include sets that are garbage in EVERY conceivable build.
* Include and those that are SO situational as to be worthless.
* If you think a set is NOT useless state why in as much detail as possible.
* If another set can do the job better include subsequent sets here.

1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)
2. Treasure Hunter (5 pc is easily gained from other sources)
3. Spelunker (to specialized and not even good in its specialty)
4. Noble Duelist (to inconsistent and awkward even for pvp)
5. All Undaunted sets besides MAYBE Bastion
6. All sets with a stated CD over 1 seconds, I could have sworn zos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for most sets.
7. All the trails sets that are crappy versions of other trials set (like the set that is exactly like Vicious Ophidian but without the weapon damage on 5 piece)
8. Redistributor...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?
9. Oblivion's Foe: Your 5 piece makes a single power go from utter crap to barely useable
10. Daedric Trickery: most of the buffs are easily gotten elsewhere, and the ones that are not (like Major Protection) are going to happen 10 seconds out of 100 on average
11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
12. Prayer Shawl: tiny proc chance on a tiny shield with a long cooldown, what's not to love?
13. Crusader: Unless this is somehow useful in PvP, I cannot see how this would possibly we useful, even in the niche of roll dodge related sets it's dead last
14. Combat Physician: See prayer Shawl. Shield still pretty small, now only on crit
15. Toothrow: This is Treasure Hunter for Stam
16. Essence Thief: So good on paper, until you watch a video of how far away the essence balls fly from you and the boss
17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
18. Glorious Defender: Best case 1 dodge every 10 seconds. So many ways to gain Evasion, which will be vastly better. No reason to ever use this

If you disagree, I don't mind, just do so civily or I will simply ignore you.

If this thread takes off with good ideas then I will expand the list.

+ Added sets
+ Note, set % and amounts can be adjusted, no need for ANY CD's, also no need to make the damage dots.
+ We could make a list of Good sets but we want to bring the bad ones to light so they can be fixed, adjusted or deleted.

This game has such a vast variety of sets it's pretty much a given you aren't going to like a lot of them. But none of them are useless. They may just compare poorly to the sets you prefer based on your own preferences and play style.

A lot of your arguments seem flawed to me as well. For example: you dismiss the treasure hunter set as useless because you say you can get the major prophecy buff from other sources. While that is true - as a Templar wearing this set would allow me to free up an ability slot instead of having to rely on either Inner Light or vampire's bane/reflective light to obtain it. And having an extra ability slot to work with can hardly be described as useless. So I think you exaggerate when you call these sets useless - especially when you do it on that basis.

WrathOfInnos · November 2017

Twice born star. The 5-piece bonus is on par with other sets, with 7 pieces divines. Mage offers about the same as Necropotence, Apprentice is about the same as Julianos, same with Warrior and Hundings, Lover and Spriggans/Spinners.

The problem is the 2-4 piece bonuses. Unlike all the useful sets I just used for comparison, TBS offers Max Health, Stamina, and Magicka. 1/3 of these are useless for PVE DPS, and the health is also not really needed. I would recommend making the hybrid bonuses dual purpose like some of the newer sets, in order to keep this set relevant (it is a 9 trait crafted set, and should be good).

Maybe go with something like this:

(2) Max Health
(3) Max Magicka and Stamina
(4) Weapon and Spell Damage
(5) Double Mundus Stones

Or possibly change the 2 piece to Magicka and Stamina Recovery, instead of health. I don't think that the set should have crit or penetration, since these would make choosing the Thief or Lover stone less desirable as a 2nd Mundus.

Jeremy · November 2017

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Twice born star. The 5-piece bonus is on par with other sets, with 7 pieces divines. Mage offers about the same as Necropotence, Apprentice is about the same as Julianos, same with Warrior and Hundings, Lover and Spriggans/Spinners.

The problem is the 2-4 piece bonuses. Unlike all the useful sets I just used for comparison, TBS offers Max Health, Stamina, and Magicka. 1/3 of these are useless for PVE DPS, and the health is also not really needed. I would recommend making the hybrid bonuses dual purpose like some of the newer sets, in order to keep this set relevant (it is a 9 trait crafted set, and should be good).

Maybe go with something like this:

(2) Max Health
(3) Max Magicka and Stamina
(4) Weapon and Spell Damage
(5) Double Mundus Stones

Or possibly change the 2 piece to Magicka and Stamina Recovery, instead of health. I don't think that the set should have crit or penetration, since these would make choosing the Thief or Lover stone less desirable as a 2nd Mundus.

Twice Born Star is more versatile and lets you mix and match different Mundus Stone effects. So that is one advantage it has over the other sets that grant similar bonuses.

WrathOfInnos · November 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Twice born star. The 5-piece bonus is on par with other sets, with 7 pieces divines. Mage offers about the same as Necropotence, Apprentice is about the same as Julianos, same with Warrior and Hundings, Lover and Spriggans/Spinners.

The problem is the 2-4 piece bonuses. Unlike all the useful sets I just used for comparison, TBS offers Max Health, Stamina, and Magicka. 1/3 of these are useless for PVE DPS, and the health is also not really needed. I would recommend making the hybrid bonuses dual purpose like some of the newer sets, in order to keep this set relevant (it is a 9 trait crafted set, and should be good).

Maybe go with something like this:

(2) Max Health
(3) Max Magicka and Stamina
(4) Weapon and Spell Damage
(5) Double Mundus Stones

Or possibly change the 2 piece to Magicka and Stamina Recovery, instead of health. I don't think that the set should have crit or penetration, since these would make choosing the Thief or Lover stone less desirable as a 2nd Mundus.

Twice Born Star is more versatile and lets you mix and match different Mundus Stone effects. So that is one advantage it has over the other sets that grant similar bonuses.

Being able to do multiple things poorly does not balance it against sets that do one thing well.

starkerealm · November 2017

TheValar85 wrote: »

em the undaunted setts are usless? well the Ilambris are still best in slot for many sorc builds.

I think they meant Unweaver and Infiltrator which... yeah, those are both kinda trash.

IcyDeadPeople · November 2017

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Thank you for your hard work on this information.

However, it's wasted. What is useless to you might very well be a good set for someone else. You're opinion does not dictate what sets are trash. That being said, you missed a whole bunch of sets off your list a lot worse lmao

I believe the intent is to raise awareness of certain sets that are under performing relative to other sets. Ideally with a bit of a buff several of these sets could be much more useful and fun to play, leading to more diversity of builds in this game.

Calling the set "trash" might be overstating it, but even any players currently using these particular sets would likely agree they can use a buff.

Chilly-McFreeze · November 2017

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some of my list of weak 5-piece bonuses:
Hide of the Werewolf gives 1 ultimate/second, which isn't a lot, and then only if you're constantly taking damage while wearing medium armor. Huh?

You are aware that most PvP HA builds run a "medium armor" set on jewels, yet alone for the stamina trait? And that set is pure gold, especially when you build around your ultimate.

FrancisCrawford · November 2017

TheValar85 wrote: »

em the undaunted setts are usless? well the Ilambris are still best in slot for many sorc builds.

That was surely a reference to 5-piece sets with "Undaunted" in the name. They're awful.

starkerealm · November 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some of my list of weak 5-piece bonuses:
Hide of the Werewolf gives 1 ultimate/second, which isn't a lot, and then only if you're constantly taking damage while wearing medium armor. Huh?

You are aware that most PvP HA builds run a "medium armor" set on jewels, yet alone for the stamina trait? And that set is pure gold, especially when you build around your ultimate.

Okay, but why this instead of Shalk? Ultimate when taking damage vs Minor Heroism all the time?

starkerealm · November 2017

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

em the undaunted setts are usless? well the Ilambris are still best in slot for many sorc builds.

That was surely a reference to 5-piece sets with "Undaunted" in the name. They're awful.

Bafflingly bad, actually.

Infiltrator is a light armor set that buffs Stamina, buffs your light and heavy attack damage after casting a stamina ability, and spell crit.

Unweaver is a medium armor set that buffs your Magicka, buffs your light and heavy attack damage after casting a magicka ability, and weapon crit.

Ironically, if you swapped the their 4pc bonus, and their armor types, you'd have a pair of very good sets. As is, they're weird niche sets for players who are intentionally using the wrong armor type.

FakeFox · November 2017

6. All sets with a stated CD over 1 seconds, I could have sworn zos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for most sets.

This one made me laugh. There are tons of sets with higher cool down that are very much used in endgame PvE and PvP.

elijafire · November 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

These are 5 pc sets that are utterly useless and may as well be deleted from the game or at least have major overhauls as they are just cluttering up inventories and confusing new players.

Rules of Engagement:

* All previous lists are outdated.
* Include sets that are garbage in EVERY conceivable build.
* Include and those that are SO situational as to be worthless.
* If you think a set is NOT useless state why in as much detail as possible.
* If another set can do the job better include subsequent sets here.

1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)
2. Treasure Hunter (5 pc is easily gained from other sources)
3. Spelunker (to specialized and not even good in its specialty)
4. Noble Duelist (to inconsistent and awkward even for pvp)
5. All Undaunted sets besides MAYBE Bastion
6. All sets with a stated CD over 1 seconds, I could have sworn zos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for most sets.
7. All the trails sets that are crappy versions of other trials set (like the set that is exactly like Vicious Ophidian but without the weapon damage on 5 piece)
8. Redistributor...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?
9. Oblivion's Foe: Your 5 piece makes a single power go from utter crap to barely useable
10. Daedric Trickery: most of the buffs are easily gotten elsewhere, and the ones that are not (like Major Protection) are going to happen 10 seconds out of 100 on average
11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
12. Prayer Shawl: tiny proc chance on a tiny shield with a long cooldown, what's not to love?
13. Crusader: Unless this is somehow useful in PvP, I cannot see how this would possibly we useful, even in the niche of roll dodge related sets it's dead last
14. Combat Physician: See prayer Shawl. Shield still pretty small, now only on crit
15. Toothrow: This is Treasure Hunter for Stam
16. Essence Thief: So good on paper, until you watch a video of how far away the essence balls fly from you and the boss
17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
18. Glorious Defender: Best case 1 dodge every 10 seconds. So many ways to gain Evasion, which will be vastly better. No reason to ever use this

If you disagree, I don't mind, just do so civily or I will simply ignore you.

If this thread takes off with good ideas then I will expand the list.

+ Added sets
+ Note, set % and amounts can be adjusted, no need for ANY CD's, also no need to make the damage dots.
+ We could make a list of Good sets but we want to bring the bad ones to light so they can be fixed, adjusted or deleted.

This game has such a vast variety of sets it's pretty much a given you aren't going to like a lot of them. But none of them are useless. They may just compare poorly to the sets you prefer based on your own preferences and play style.

A lot of your arguments seem flawed to me as well. For example: you dismiss the treasure hunter set as useless because you say you can get the major prophecy buff from other sources. While that is true - as a Templar wearing this set would allow me to free up an ability slot instead of having to rely on either Inner Light or vampire's bane/reflective light to obtain it. And having an extra ability slot to work with can hardly be described as useless. So I think you exaggerate when you call these sets useless - especially when you do it on that basis.

In 99% of cases having 10 usable slots is useless, besides Inner Light etc offer tons of other functionality whereas giving up a good 5pc bonus for the silly 5pc in TH nets you nothing else but a waste of a 5pc bonus.

Also you presume incorrectly, I dismiss these sets because they are bad not because they don't "suit me" will a few tweeks here and there most of these sets would be pretty useful. Take TH for example, just make the 5pc bonus unique and adjust accordingly. Problem solved.

FakeFox wrote: »

6. All sets with a stated CD over 1 seconds, I could have sworn zos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for most sets.

This one made me laugh. There are tons of sets with higher cool down that are very much used in endgame PvE and PvP.

Inserted the word "most" instead of "all" as was intended. There yar Mr. Giggles

eso_lags · November 2017

Yaaa most of those sets are useless but i mean some sets could be used in a solid build.. tooth row, hell even essence thief possibly.. but a lot of these sets like the undaunted ones or prayer shawl are useless, utterly.

Tevalaur · November 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some of my list of weak 5-piece bonuses:
Hide of the Werewolf gives 1 ultimate/second, which isn't a lot, and then only if you're constantly taking damage while wearing medium armor. Huh?

You are aware that most PvP HA builds run a "medium armor" set on jewels, yet alone for the stamina trait? And that set is pure gold, especially when you build around your ultimate.

Okay, but why this instead of Shalk? Ultimate when taking damage vs Minor Heroism all the time?

@starkerealm Shalk's Exoskeleton is Heavy armor while HotW is Medium armor. I don't play in either, but my guess would be that the armor passives are why one set is preferred over the other for the builds using it.

THWIP71 · November 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

All sets with a CD over 1 second?

How about Burning Spellweave or Briarthorns just off the top of my head?

Briarthorns? You mean Briarheart? That set paired with Bahraha's Curse make for a very survivable character. With a high crit build, the healing is nice...

TBH, briarthorns are pretty much useless as well....only good for poking you and making you bleed.

victoriana-blue · November 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

victoriana-blue wrote: »

I was all set to defend Noble Duelist, and then I realized I'd confused it with Noble's Conquest (which is one of my go-to tank levelling sets).

And if sets like Selene didn't have a cool down they would be nerfed into dots instead of being their lovely bursty selves - look at how the community basically abandoned Viper after it was adjusted. So I can't say I agree with no.6.

Are you saying that you use noble conquest when levelig tanks? How many tanks did you level? Do you understand how this game works....?

Nobody that understands how to level in this game will ever use anything than damage sets while leveling to 50...

I levelled my one (1) tank by tanking dungeons, not by playing solo. Nobody that understands how to tank in this game will ever use damage sets while tanking to 50.

Noble's Conquest gives a heal pretty much every time you interrupt a casting enemy, and it's a good source of positive reinforcement for remembering to bash. Plus the health buffer makes the healer's joba bit easier.

fred4 · November 2017

I am evaluating Combat Physician for solo PvP on a magblade at the moment. I think it's far from useless, although I am not sure whether I will continue wearing it yet. In it's favor:

Shield size with 20% into Bastion is about 4.7K. Could be bigger, but I thought I'd mention the effect that CP have.

With a HOT running you can force activation by using Shadowy Disguise. Thus it may be possible to single bar it.

As ever: Shields can't be crit, thus it enables more mitigation in PvP than half the PvE value.

The 2, 3, 4 bonuses are the same as Julianos. Crit bonuses are valuable this patch, especially for nightblades.

The shield size and cooldown could be a bit better, but stacked with Harness Magicka it's quite nice. I even like the fact that it only activates on an actual heal, so it's not on cooldown when really needed. However you may also force activation by having more health on your cloaking bar, which is liable to happen naturally from shadow passives. As you bar switch and cloak, you quite often generate a crit heal, which activates it then. Furthermore it seems to activate from passive CP heals, such as Critical Leech. Triggering it certainly isn't a problem for a nightblade. I assume, but have not yet tried, that it has a chance to activate Infernal Guardian as a knock-on effect, thus enabling extra damage from that set while on a pure attack rotation.

As already pointed out, this set is potentially more useful in IC than pure PvP sets, such as Riposte or Transmutation, since it mitigates damage from bosses as well.

fred4 · November 2017

While I don't like the new Malevolent Offering skill, there is some merit in combining that with Combat Physician in solo play. If you have high crit and don't heal back up immediately (you tend to in PvE, but not PvP), Malevolent Offering will activate Combat Physician, protecting you while you heal back up. It gives you something vaguely similar to Healing Ward without a resto staff.

In previous tests I found Malevolent Offering quite useless for solo PvP. It takes half it's run time to recover it's cost. It performs well under moderate pressure, when you can predict burst, but it's not truly needed. It usually fails spectacularly when you are being focused by multiple players. I honestly don't think Combat Physician would change that, but it could be worth trying.

Chilly-McFreeze · November 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some of my list of weak 5-piece bonuses:
Hide of the Werewolf gives 1 ultimate/second, which isn't a lot, and then only if you're constantly taking damage while wearing medium armor. Huh?

You are aware that most PvP HA builds run a "medium armor" set on jewels, yet alone for the stamina trait? And that set is pure gold, especially when you build around your ultimate.

Okay, but why this instead of Shalk? Ultimate when taking damage vs Minor Heroism all the time?

Even if your Ultimate is your builds workhorse, you can't negate the usual skills. Shalk is great, but it won't be good on someone who uses a stam build.

Ertthewolf · November 2017

Hunt Leader set works with werewolf pack leader morph since you get the wolves. Paired with Vicious Serpent you have almost unlimited stam. Great vMA build.

Aerithone · November 2017

Hircine is actually pretty solid in our stam raid.
8 stamina dds benefit from it.

DoccEff · November 2017

Ysgramor's Birthright. 400 SD for cold abilities.
Sithis' Touch. Gain Major Berserk for 20 s after using Blade of Woe.

Jamini · November 2017

Hircine Veneer is exceptional on a Stamina Warden healer, especially in a raid with a lot of stamDPS.

With Serpent and a Camoran throne, you are looking at about 180 stamina regen for yourself, and about 70-110 regen for everyone in your team. That's roughly equivalent to a free ring enchantment for every stam user. Even magicka users can benefit by having more ability to block and rolldodge.

Veneer + SPC is a great combo with this setup. Though for magicka-heavy raids I do find myself running Powerful Assault + SPC instead.

Obviously this is not for vet trials. The Stamden healing tends to cap out around vetDLC or so in difficulty.

Tasear · November 2017

Almost all sets been defended, but prayer shawl still sits on foul waters.

Mephisto939 · November 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some of my list of weak 5-piece bonuses:
Hide of the Werewolf gives 1 ultimate/second, which isn't a lot, and then only if you're constantly taking damage while wearing medium armor. Huh?

You are aware that most PvP HA builds run a "medium armor" set on jewels, yet alone for the stamina trait? And that set is pure gold, especially when you build around your ultimate.

I run hotw on my tank. 3 pc jewelry, 1 weapon and 1 pc med armor which increases health with undaunted passives. It results in a lot of warhorn uptime.