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Do you think the Exploit Perma Ban was too harsh? Yes or No?
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭JasonSilverSpring wrote: »Theres 1000 thread already IGDAF if they get perm banned or setenced to prison tbh
Who actually cares what happened to some insecure elitists who couldnt finish the trial properly?
I care to know what the actual consensus is.
Those who don’t needn’t reply or even read this poll/thread.
A poll will not get you an actual consensus. There is nothing scientific or accurate about a forum poll.
Perhaps google the word consensus.
In short, it means general agreement.
That’s what I’d like to see. The majority of general agreement - whether yes or no.2 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »Nope. Got what they deserved. Just because ZoS has taken a weak stance before against cheating doesn't mean they should be weak now. A line needed to be drawn. And they chose this instance to draw it. Better to draw one now than to not do it at all. I'm proud they had to courage to do it.
I'm curious to see if this will set a new precedence in the handling of exploits/cheats going forward. It seems like they're taking a hardline stance this time."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
Malic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »Nope. Got what they deserved. Just because ZoS has taken a weak stance before against cheating doesn't mean they should be weak now. A line needed to be drawn. And they chose this instance to draw it. Better to draw one now than to not do it at all. I'm proud they had to courage to do it.
I'm curious to see if this will set a new precedence in the handling of exploits/cheats going forward. It seems like they're taking a hardline stance this time.
For this yes.
Historic precedent bares out that exceptions WILL BE MADE. We had one prominent streamer here that admitted to account sharing, he was not only not perm banned he was invited to test morrowind with another group before anyone else. Guy deserved the invite on the merits of his streaming and traffic he drove to ZOS, no argument there but the real problem is ZOS has been extremely selective on their bans and forgiveness.
Remember the gap closing issue in cyrodiil? You could gap close to keep walls from the outside. This was reported to them in beta testing, they didnt fix it before release. Not a word about consequences, people did it and got banned.
Remember the meteor exploit? A lot of those people were forgiven.
On and on.
Im hopeful its a new precedence too, but history doesnt support that outcome sadly.3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i voted "No"
However:
i think from now on, people should receive an Email Warning, and then a 1 week ban, 30 day ban and then finally a Permanent ban for offences instead of just "BAM" your'e banned" and persons were not even aware they were cheat or exploiting.8 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i voted "No"
However:
i think from now on, people should receive an Email Warning, and then a 1 week ban, 30 day ban and then finally a Permanent ban for offences instead of just "BAM" your'e banned" and persons were not even aware they were cheat or exploiting.
This would be more in line with other games I have played.
Along with removing ill gotten items and achievements.
I always liked the dunce cap and being restricted to only playing with other cheaters for a period of time in a certain Rockstar game.Edited by TequilaFire on November 12, 2017 4:46PM0 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i voted "No"
However:
i think from now on, people should receive an Email Warning, and then a 1 week ban, 30 day ban and then finally a Permanent ban for offences instead of just "BAM" your'e banned" and persons were not even aware they were cheat or exploiting.
I see your point; but ZOS then has to keep doing extra stuff for these same people even longer, whilst who knows how many get away with it and how many others really strive to roll the content legit. Also, 4 chances means potentially 4 - several different exploits since ZOS patches them as soon as they know; whether or not they know being the issue.
I don’t like the part where the weight of what they do goes against everyone else, ZOS and players alike.Edited by Mureel on November 12, 2017 4:47PM3 -
It was justified given it gave players an unfair advantage over others who worked super hard to complete the same thing. I've never done any arena challenges, but know people who do work really hard on those builds.1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I heard about this altho don't know what platform it was on. I do think it was too harsh, if the devs leave a loophole like that in the game, someone is gonna find it, and it doesn't even sound like it was very hard to discover. Perma ban is ridiculous, they should just fix the quest and have a word with the playtesters for not finding this before it went live.
Taking advantage of a bug = exploit, your fault not the creators.2 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »Nope. Got what they deserved. Just because ZoS has taken a weak stance before against cheating doesn't mean they should be weak now. A line needed to be drawn. And they chose this instance to draw it. Better to draw one now than to not do it at all. I'm proud they had to courage to do it.
I'm curious to see if this will set a new precedence in the handling of exploits/cheats going forward. It seems like they're taking a hardline stance this time.
For this yes.
Historic precedent bares out that exceptions WILL BE MADE. We had one prominent streamer here that admitted to account sharing, he was not only not perm banned he was invited to test morrowind with another group before anyone else. Guy deserved the invite on the merits of his streaming and traffic he drove to ZOS, no argument there but the real problem is ZOS has been extremely selective on their bans and forgiveness.
Remember the gap closing issue in cyrodiil? You could gap close to keep walls from the outside. This was reported to them in beta testing, they didnt fix it before release. Not a word about consequences, people did it and got banned.
Remember the meteor exploit? A lot of those people were forgiven.
On and on.
Im hopeful its a new precedence too, but history doesnt support that outcome sadly.
There are exploits that are hard to avoid because it's in the base game mechanics and there are ones you can't mistake that effort was made to do the exploit.
Wall jumps would be too hard to judge if people even knew you weren't supposed to do it or that they meant to scale the wall. This, from what I understand, is very very elaborate and has to be done on purpose. Easy to judge intention.
The one that should of been ban hammers was the survey exploit. That affected the entire server economy and everyone in it. I'm sure we continue to see it today with the money people got at that time and were able to hoard.PSN: ***___Chan (3 _s)
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »Nope. Got what they deserved. Just because ZoS has taken a weak stance before against cheating doesn't mean they should be weak now. A line needed to be drawn. And they chose this instance to draw it. Better to draw one now than to not do it at all. I'm proud they had to courage to do it.
I'm curious to see if this will set a new precedence in the handling of exploits/cheats going forward. It seems like they're taking a hardline stance this time.
For this yes.
Historic precedent bares out that exceptions WILL BE MADE. We had one prominent streamer here that admitted to account sharing, he was not only not perm banned he was invited to test morrowind with another group before anyone else. Guy deserved the invite on the merits of his streaming and traffic he drove to ZOS, no argument there but the real problem is ZOS has been extremely selective on their bans and forgiveness.
Remember the gap closing issue in cyrodiil? You could gap close to keep walls from the outside. This was reported to them in beta testing, they didnt fix it before release. Not a word about consequences, people did it and got banned.
Remember the meteor exploit? A lot of those people were forgiven.
On and on.
Im hopeful its a new precedence too, but history doesnt support that outcome sadly.
There are exploits that are hard to avoid because it's in the base game mechanics and there are ones you can't mistake that effort was made to do the exploit.
Wall jumps would be too hard to judge if people even knew you weren't supposed to do it or that they meant to scale the wall. This, from what I understand, is very very elaborate and has to be done on purpose. Easy to judge intention.
The one that should of been ban hammers was the survey exploit. That affected the entire server economy and everyone in it. I'm sure we continue to see it today with the money people got at that time and were able to hoard.
So you think a raid boss that isn't doing anything and you can still kill it is legit? That's meant for single player games not MMO's.1 -
HatchetHaro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i voted "No"
However:
i think from now on, people should receive an Email Warning, and then a 1 week ban, 30 day ban and then finally a Permanent ban for offences instead of just "BAM" your'e banned" and persons were not even aware they were cheat or exploiting.
Actually, that's why I voted "yes"; a temporary month-long ban for the vAS exploiters should have been more than enough to send a message to the community and still give them a second chance. (Except for the ones selling the exploited runs; but let them appeal it to reduce it to be in line with the others.)
I also would be a bit less lenient on future exploiters; instead of four chances, I would give them just three. A warning first with a 3 day ban, then a 30 day ban, and lastly the permanent ban.Edited by HatchetHaro on November 12, 2017 4:59PMBest Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
20 Argonians
6x IR, 7x GH, 7x TTT, 5x GS, 6x DB, 1x PB, 4x SBS, 1x MM, 1x US, 2x CB, 1x Unchained2 -
Vimora✭✭✭✭If it's obvious to people that it's an exploit and they are doing it, permaban is the only way.1 -
Shad0wfire99✭✭✭✭✭
✭Since some of the ones that had their accounts banned are still trying to sell skin runs on FB (on their alt accounts) today before they fix the exploit, I'm gonna go with "no."Edited by Shad0wfire99 on November 12, 2017 5:35PM
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nobody here has enough information to make that call. Here in America we believe in innocence until proven guilty, most of the forum users seem to have an opposite view.Edited by WrathOfInnos on November 12, 2017 5:45PM4 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nobody here has enough information to make that call. Here in Anerica we believe in innocence until proven guilty, most of the forum users seem to have an opposite view.
Not all of us are from the U.S.
Just sayin'
Edit: personal morals and ethics notwithstandingEdited by Cadbury on November 12, 2017 5:46PM"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."4 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If only I knew what this was about. I feel like there is a new exploit being fixed every week.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nobody here has enough information to make that call. Here in Anerica we believe in innocence until proven guilty, most of the forum users seem to have an opposite view.
exactly! it really is not fully known alot of the time that you are doing something bannable because everyone around you is doing that same thing and talking about it like its normal thing to do. and most people like myself are not allways aware of exactly what is considered a cheat because of how zenimax in the past has allowed certain things and other things not allowed that makes it very confusing.0 -
NecrosIX✭✭It takes alot for any developer to come up with glitch-free content. Yet it takes no effort for the player to not exploit the glitches.0
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nobody here has enough information to make that call. Here in Anerica we believe in innocence until proven guilty, most of the forum users seem to have an opposite view.
Not all of us are from the U.S.
Just sayin'
From these poll results, that much is clear.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭like how it was allowed in the past to spawn at another alliance safe spot, later we were told it was ok but a week later it was said if you do it you could be banned, then later that week on eso live they said it was a grey area!
total confusion!0 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nobody here has enough information to make that call. Here in Anerica we believe in innocence until proven guilty, most of the forum users seem to have an opposite view.
Not all of us are from the U.S.
Just sayin'
From these poll results, that much is clear.
Yeah, America is known for being fair and forgiving...
Edit: And I say this as an American
Edited by Cadbury on November 12, 2017 5:57PM"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."6 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nobody here has enough information to make that call. Here in America we believe in innocence until proven guilty, most of the forum users seem to have an opposite view.
Lol bull. ZOS had enough to *so far* Ban 34 People. That is enough information to make that call. If ZOS knows, that is proven guilty.4 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭on this time they made it Very Clear it was not acceptable, but that not how they have said it in the past.1 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nobody here has enough information to make that call. Here in America we believe in innocence until proven guilty, most of the forum users seem to have an opposite view.
From Jessica's post, looks like they actually do have proof, and they're going to be looking at more evidence with the possible result of more bans. "Hey I saw so and so do this." = no evidence, possibly innocent. Logs of the gameplay = evidence of not so innocent.As a result, we have permanently banned all players – 34 accounts in all – who used the exploit to complete the kill and earn the special achievement and skin in this way. We will not be considering overturns for these account bans. They are permanent and final.
We are working on a fix for this exploit, but we will not be able to deploy it until Monday at the earliest. We will be watching things closely over the weekend. After we deploy the fix on Monday, we will do another audit of kills for this fight. Be warned: we will permanently ban any additional players who use the exploit over the weekend.5 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nobody here has enough information to make that call. Here in America we believe in innocence until proven guilty, most of the forum users seem to have an opposite view.
From Jessica's post, looks like they actually do have proof, and they're going to be looking at more evidence with the possible result of more bans. "Hey I saw so and so do this." = no evidence, possibly innocent. Logs of the gameplay = evidence of not so innocent.As a result, we have permanently banned all players – 34 accounts in all – who used the exploit to complete the kill and earn the special achievement and skin in this way. We will not be considering overturns for these account bans. They are permanent and final.
We are working on a fix for this exploit, but we will not be able to deploy it until Monday at the earliest. We will be watching things closely over the weekend. After we deploy the fix on Monday, we will do another audit of kills for this fight. Be warned: we will permanently ban any additional players who use the exploit over the weekend.
I'm surprised we haven't seen a "I was wrongly banned!" post pop up yet."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nobody here has enough information to make that call. Here in America we believe in innocence until proven guilty, most of the forum users seem to have an opposite view.
The banning process is not like an arrest
typically when placed under arrest you are jailed until you go to trial, then if convicted you go to prison to serve your sentence
A company has dictated particular rules to adhere to in order to maintain an account with them
upon violation of the rules, a ban has been enacted
a closer comparison for an American would likely be whether companies should be allowed to refuse service and under which basis"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »do you know anyone who was banned?
Not personally no; and if I did, our friendship would be done and dusted.
This stuff just doesn’t jibe with me and for me, there’s no justification at all.3