ZOS please add Story Mode (Single) to all dungeons!

Ipslor · November 2017

So, let's say you're fairly experienced but not hardcore player. You have subscription or buying DLCs when ther're out. So, there is new fancy DLC, some new dungeons, seems nice... you queue in, finally form a group, load in and...
>@MegaNagibator999 shares quest 'Troubles In Elsweyr' with you
>go go go
>pull boss
>kill boss
>next boss
>WFT ARE YOU WAITING FOR??? YOU WANT SEE STORY GO TO YOUTUBE!
>final boss
>gg ty all cya
>group dismissed

So, uhm, does that new dungeon have interesting story? Maybe...
New exciting pieces of lore? Dunno...
A spectacular views? TBH can't say...

Sure you can try solo this dungeon at Normal mode, but sadly it works with vanilla ones only. There are very few who can solo Mazzatun for example...
On the other side all single content, especially new DLCs, clearly was made for low-level, unexperienced players. There are even NPC companions to help with the quests. I don't say this is bad! What I am proposing is to make new mode for all dungeons - Story Mode (or whatever you name it). In this mode dungeon can be soloed, maybe there will be an achievement, but most important is that you can see story without that crazy gogogo race. Of course there will be no loot of some crappy loot, that doesn't matters anyway.

Q: Go to Youtube and watch letsplayers.
A: I don't want youtube, I want play the story. (and I hate letsplayers)

Q: MAke some friends and complete dungeon with them as you see fit.
A: Dear Princess Celestia... B-but isn't TESO a 'singleplayer MMO'?

Q: Play single games if you want single dungeons.
A: I don't want to play singles, I want to play TESO, please ZOS can you do this?

Mureel · November 2017

Goes in line with my pausable/Training mode for trials idea.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · November 2017

Don't use the group finder if you want a more intimate experience. Get some like minded players, you know, make friends, this is an MMO after all.

altemriel · November 2017

Ipslor wrote: »

So, let's say you're fairly experienced but not hardcore player. You have subscription or buying DLCs when ther're out. So, there is new fancy DLC, some new dungeons, seems nice... you queue in, finally form a group, load in and...
>@MegaNagibator999 shares quest 'Troubles In Elsweyr' with you
>go go go
>pull boss
>kill boss
>next boss
>WFT ARE YOU WAITING FOR??? YOU WANT SEE STORY GO TO YOUTUBE!
>final boss
>gg ty all cya
>group dismissed

So, uhm, does that new dungeon have interesting story? Maybe...
New exciting pieces of lore? Dunno...
A spectacular views? TBH can't say...

Sure you can try solo this dungeon at Normal mode, but sadly it works with vanilla ones only. There are very few who can solo Mazzatun for example...
On the other side all single content, especially new DLCs, clearly was made for low-level, unexperienced players. There are even NPC companions to help with the quests. I don't say this is bad! What I am proposing is to make new mode for all dungeons - Story Mode (or whatever you name it). In this mode dungeon can be soloed, maybe there will be an achievement, but most important is that you can see story without that crazy gogogo race. Of course there will be no loot of some crappy loot, that doesn't matters anyway.

Q: Go to Youtube and watch letsplayers.
A: I don't want youtube, I want play the story. (and I hate letsplayers)

Q: MAke some friends and complete dungeon with them as you see fit.
A: Dear Princess Celestia... B-but isn't TESO a 'singleplayer MMO'?

Q: Play single games if you want single dungeons.
A: I don't want to play singles, I want to play TESO, please ZOS can you do this?

some people take this game just too serious that they need to rush trough the dungeon as fast as possible, maybe they are doing the speed run achievement

just put them into ignore list and find a better group, who do not have problem with "I have quest, I want to check out all the stuff in this dungeon (including barrels, backpacks, books), they are out there, such more mature groups, believe me

starkerealm · November 2017

altemriel wrote: »

some people take this game just too serious that they need to rush trough the dungeon as fast as possible, maybe they are doing the speed run achievement

Honestly, after your fourth or fifth time in a dungeon, you can easily get into a headspace where you're just spamming through dialog. Especially if you've got 13 other characters you need to knock out pledges on for today.

That said, yeah, the best advice is to put together a group to run the story. Simply pulling in players from the group finder rarely results in good players (though it can and does happen).

coop500 · November 2017

I agree a story mode would be awesome, I know everyone is like 'just go play with friends' and I just really don't want the stress of having 3 other people waiting on me, besides these days that's so few and far between, even my guildies don't wait for their healer (me) if she wants to pick a backpack. Or they invite me to a dungeon and it turns out they're leveling so they won't even grab chests.

Loc2262 · November 2017

altemriel wrote: »

some people take this game just too serious that they need to rush trough the dungeon as fast as possible, maybe they are doing the speed run achievement

No, usually they're just running it for the umpteenth time to farm/grind gear, keys or transmute crystals. And I can totally understand then that you want to get it over with as quickly as possible.

Mostly applies to vet dungeons though. On normal, one should always be prepared to get players that want to take it more slowly.

I totally agree though that it's a pity that it's to difficult to get a group just for enjoying the story. Some dungeons have really interesting stories.

@Ipslor : If you're on PC-EU, I can offer you to duo a few story dungeons on normal with you.

coop500 · November 2017

On another front though OP, if you are on PC NA, or even EU though my EU toon kinda stinks, I'd be happy to help run dungeons while listening to the story and taking our time.

Ipslor · November 2017

coop500 wrote: »

On another front though OP, if you are on PC NA, or even EU though my EU toon kinda stinks, I'd be happy to help run dungeons while listening to the story and taking our time.

That's kind of you to say, thanks.
But problem is? An example here. Recently I queued as usual and got this new Forge dungeon. Gogogo, some wipes, thats cool, finish. You see, these quests aren't repeatable. If they at least was repeatable, that'll help a lot!

LOTRO have Pools of Reflection. SWTOR (much better from co-op STORY point of view if you ask me...) have Story mode in flashpoints with additional NPC companion.
But ESO? If you already finished quest once, it will be forever lost to you. You will never have a chance to do it again.

Okay, if Story mode is too complicated to implement, maybe quests can be made repeatable? Without granting another skillpoint of course, just like Maelstrom Arena.

Loc2262 · November 2017

Yes, I'd also like repeatable quests.

Until that's a thing, you might want to accept the quest only when you know that you're in a group of the non-rushing type.

Oh also, you can always make a new (additional) char of course.

CaffeinatedMayhem · November 2017

So, my experience asking for a group that is ok with story/looting in a dungeon:

*crickets*

If it's the pledge

*crickets* or "um, I have 5 toons I need to run pledges with, I'll go but I can't stop"

If it's not a pledge

"why do you care about the story" and *crickets*

YMMV, but I got tired of asking. The husband and I duo dungeons on normal, but that's difficult on ones with non-soloable mechanics. e.g. works fine if only one person gets trapped in a web, and the other can take all the damamge, not die, while not getting webbed themselves AND free the trapped person.

I would like to see a story mode. I want to be able to see the quest in the dungeon setting, especially since some fights will start over the quest dialogue. Also, some dungeons you only get 1 shot at the full quest. Once it's done, you get some dialogue but not the full quest.

Bevik · November 2017

Sometimes I feel like I want to just wander in trial dungeons because they are all beautifully done honestly. Like really they are so well designed but there is no time to check them all. It's like you run them million times but never been in half of the rooms, areas.

For group dungeons you can look for people with same interests.

coop500 · November 2017

Ipslor wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

On another front though OP, if you are on PC NA, or even EU though my EU toon kinda stinks, I'd be happy to help run dungeons while listening to the story and taking our time.

That's kind of you to say, thanks.
But problem is? An example here. Recently I queued as usual and got this new Forge dungeon. Gogogo, some wipes, thats cool, finish. You see, these quests aren't repeatable. If they at least was repeatable, that'll help a lot!

LOTRO have Pools of Reflection. SWTOR (much better from co-op STORY point of view if you ask me...) have Story mode in flashpoints with additional NPC companion.
But ESO? If you already finished quest once, it will be forever lost to you. You will never have a chance to do it again.

Okay, if Story mode is too complicated to implement, maybe quests can be made repeatable? Without granting another skillpoint of course, just like Maelstrom Arena.

True, that's very much a problem, that's what my EU toon is for though, I decline all dungeon quests until I can do them with some likeminded people or the normal ones (non-DLC only sadly) by myself. But it still sucks because I have to rebuild a whole new toon, which I know some people wouldn't want. I love alts, I could never have enough of them, but that's my problem lol. Plus we still can't do the DLC ones.

Milvan · November 2017

Normal mode is easy enough.

It would be great if we could repeat the quest tho. Not only the Group Dungeons ones, but overland as well.

Balamoor · November 2017

This is where ESO desperately needs to change, yes there should be a story mode, for trials, but there should also be a group mode for Delevs and Dungeons in which if you select group mode you have a private Instance of that delve or dungeon for you group.

I'm personally tried of having my group deal with bunny hopping idiots or naked I want to shout ERP memes or whoever is just hanging around the dungeon wanting to grief whoever.

It hurts no one to offer this and it allows those of us who want to run our Dungeons with our friends or guild the ability to do so in peace. Making everything public all the time was a terrible design decision, and doesn't do what it was intended to accomplish...other than carry the occasional straggler.

ixie · November 2017

I would love this, I have soloed the vanilla dungeons that are easily done, but I like to take my time on my first time through, enjoy the story and the beautiful locations, there are many dungeons I would still like to visit.

ProfessorKittyhawk · November 2017

I like this idea. But there should be things to encourage players to do the group version. Solo version shouldn't count towards pledges nor should give it give monster set pieces. The reward is the story.

Ipslor · November 2017

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

Solo version shouldn't count towards pledges nor should give it give monster set pieces. The reward is the story.

Yes that's what I'm saying. Group content should remain group and offer greater rewards than solo.But player should be able to see all beauties that developers placed in this game.

Rawkan · November 2017

I hate the rush mentality as well. Sounds like a good enough idea to me.

TheValar85 · November 2017

thas a cool idea i would like to do stri single dungeons insted of puging, neverending DDque time. and waiting for others to finaly push a foward button to lets get the dungeon over with.

I do not like rushing too. but i have my own rythm.

Autumnhart · November 2017

Why not. There should be options for people who are playing for fun. The whole game is way too get the stuff get the stuff hurry hurry get the stuff oriented, it's poison.

mocap · November 2017

Totaly agree. Played dungeons like 9000 times and i still don't know anything about what is going on there...

Bladerunner1 · November 2017

My story mode character for a lot of dungeons has been the Magsorc. But yeah, it would have been nice to have a story mode for everything.

Me: "Hey why are the Argonians in this dungeon so huge?"

Friend: "They drank the Koolaid."

That's as deep into the dungeon DLC stories as I've gotten.

Woeler · November 2017

DONT. RUN. WITH. RANDOMS.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2017

I woul like it if they didn’t make it as easy as over land content. Because I really wouldn’t mind running dungeons solo. But I don’t want to run a dungeon I can light attack all the way to the end. How boring would that be.

Kiralyn2000 · November 2017

Bevik wrote: »

Sometimes I feel like I want to just wander in trial dungeons because they are all beautifully done honestly. Like really they are so well designed but there is no time to check them all. It's like you run them million times but never been in half of the rooms, areas.

Yeah, back when I played WoW, I periodically wished for a "sightseer" mode for the raids. Just to be able to see the architecture/etc, as a non-raider. No loot, no bosses, no rewards... just the ability to see the cool sights.

Ilithyania · November 2017

agree idea OP

Cant say i know a single one of the dungeon stories.

Imza · November 2017

I think the dungeons are all beautiful, it's just a shame they can't be seen and enjoyed.

Yes too many people have the gogogogo mentality.

YES PLEASE - Story Mode = no chests (:() no loot - just the story with rewards like a delve
Only then can we appreciate all the effort put in by the developers.

Runefang · November 2017

Wait? There is a story?

Sintao · November 2017

I can see (and have had) the same frustration, @Ipslor.

But I have come to look at it this way:
• All the story-lines for the zones can be soloed, as can the delves for the most part
• Some content by design is intended for groups
• For doing dungeons in slower-mode, I've been able to advertise in zone or find a group via a guild or friend, or (Worst case) queued for the dungeon and said 'Quest! taking it a bit slow', then done a good proper job of experiencing the story of the dungeons.

If I am in a group and someone says 'Have Quest!', then I slow down and stay with them.

Also I've seen quite a few guilds advertising for new members — guilds that say they specialise in newer players and doing this kind of thing. basically any large guild will always have someone online who will step up and help someone take on a new dungeon for the story.

(I do however turn ion subtitles, so I can read the dialogue and skip the sometimes slower voice more quickly)

Linaleah · November 2017

Milvan wrote: »

Normal mode is easy enough.

It would be great if we could repeat the quest tho. Not only the Group Dungeons ones, but overland as well.

its not easy for most people. I mean... it took me over a year of playing before I could solo normal modes and even then, its not easy and I can only do the earlier versions with any consistency.

honestly we could all benefit from story mode. make it not count towards pledges, and drop no gear. just give people an option to see the stories at their pace.

P.S. the problem with doing the story with other players is someone else advancing the quest - also advances it for you. the only way to be able to get the full story is if you are the only one on that quest.