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Those “exploiters”
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »kyle.wilson wrote: »Isn’t this ZoS’s fault for having a bug in the game allowing people to kill a boss from a safe area?! How is that a bannable offense for those players if it is built into the game, you should be thanking them for doing some free beta testing and exposing a bug your dev team left out there......
Directly from the ToS
Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
No pity given to those banned.
Good riddance to them.
Until they pay $30 for the game again, and create a new account.
In this case, not even that. They were on PS4, where you can create alt accounts for free. That said, their characters, gear, money spent on crowns... that's all gone, permanently. Which, you know what? That's fine. Someone was crying about how the hundreds they spent on the game went up in smoke for using the exploit.
Without naming shaming etc what server were they NA or EU
@x_t7ink_x, honestly not sure now. One of them had a thread crying about how they'd been banned on the general forums day before yesterday at 2am or so. They were crying about how they'd been banned, and they had their server/platform on their profile. I remember the PS4 part. I don't remember if it was EU or NA, though.
Of course, ZOS deep sixed the entire thread, so I can't check, and I don't usually keep track of everyone who whines because their account was taken away. So, I'm sorry, I honestly don't remember.0 -
x_t7ink_x✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »kyle.wilson wrote: »Isn’t this ZoS’s fault for having a bug in the game allowing people to kill a boss from a safe area?! How is that a bannable offense for those players if it is built into the game, you should be thanking them for doing some free beta testing and exposing a bug your dev team left out there......
Directly from the ToS
Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
No pity given to those banned.
Good riddance to them.
Until they pay $30 for the game again, and create a new account.
In this case, not even that. They were on PS4, where you can create alt accounts for free. That said, their characters, gear, money spent on crowns... that's all gone, permanently. Which, you know what? That's fine. Someone was crying about how the hundreds they spent on the game went up in smoke for using the exploit.
Without naming shaming etc what server were they NA or EU
@x_t7ink_x, honestly not sure now. One of them had a thread crying about how they'd been banned on the general forums day before yesterday at 2am or so. They were crying about how they'd been banned, and they had their server/platform on their profile. I remember the PS4 part. I don't remember if it was EU or NA, though.
Of course, ZOS deep sixed the entire thread, so I can't check, and I don't usually keep track of everyone who whines because their account was taken away. So, I'm sorry, I honestly don't remember.
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UppGRAYxDD✭✭✭✭✭
✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »The problem needed dealt with , and the worst offenders needed punished.
On the other hand it is sickening to see how mean and vindictive some of you are.
This.
Ya’ll are brutal and vicious when it comes to Zos actually doing something. You also flip out when Zos doesn’t do anything.
It’s honestly depressing seeing comments along the lines of “why aren’t they doing anything for pvp?!?! Pve sucks”
That’s your opinion and you’re allowed to have it. Pvp and pve are equally important. We have to deal with enough bulls h it from error and bugs in the game. We shouldn’t be ripping each other apart
If you watched ESO Live they mentioned they are working on fixing the loading screens. I don’t know if any of you have actually taken a coding class or seen the insides of video game coding. It’s massive undertaking.
If you find something that doesn’t seem right and you don’t report it you have no right to complain about what happens.
There is a huge difference between randomly coming across a bug and actively participating in said exploit or bug..
I think the real issue I have is that they do not test or PTS test console...if they do then they need to consider hiring more competent testers. It took 4 days for ppl to find a glitch on the main piece of content being pushed by ZoS. 4 days...Not to even mention the loading screens...how does this go unnoticed? A console PTS would have cleared up all this mess before it even started."Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Where is the line between mechanics and exploit though? No perma bans went out for all the groups standing on the rock on vHRC first boss to avoid damage (most didn't even know this was not intended until it was finally fixed recently). Or was kiting the Ozara adds out of the room in vSO an exploit? Seemed like a smart strategy to me until ZoS fixed it recently.
How about the last boss of Arx Corinium, is it an exploit to stand in the safe area the does not receive AoE damage? In vDSA final boss, is positioning to get one flame Atronach instead of four going to trigger the next round of bans? Which things are considered smart mechanics vs unintended exploits?
I don't know the specifics of the vAS exploit, maybe it was obviously cheating, maybe not, but I don't like the idea that finding safe locations in any boss encounter can lead to a ban.
The two big differences were:
1) This was a platform's first. They'd already seen how it was supposed to go from Hodor's video. So, they knew the "intended" way to clear the content.
2) This was a situation where the boss could not aggro on any party member. You're describing a lot of situations where the boss didn't work correctly, and yeah, those are bugs. In some cases, they're unavoidable ones. However, this was a situation where you could sit there and grind down the boss's 10m hitpoints a plink at a time. So they sat there, firing off basic ranged attacks for nearly 3 minutes (probably longer, but I don't want to really work out the exact DPS of light attacking with a staff or bow), without the boss doing anything at all, while they whittled him down.
It's not just an exploit, that had to have been boring as hell.
There are a lot of eccentricities that can make the game a little easier. Stuff like standing on the rock in HRC. They don't make the fight trivial, but you can manage your risks.
Then there's stuff that flat out trivializes content. Situations where an enemy locks up and doesn't aggro at all, for example. If that's something you can deliberately provoke through group actions, it's an exploit.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »kyle.wilson wrote: »Isn’t this ZoS’s fault for having a bug in the game allowing people to kill a boss from a safe area?! How is that a bannable offense for those players if it is built into the game, you should be thanking them for doing some free beta testing and exposing a bug your dev team left out there......
Directly from the ToS
Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
No pity given to those banned.
Good riddance to them.
Until they pay $30 for the game again, and create a new account.
In this case, not even that. They were on PS4, where you can create alt accounts for free. That said, their characters, gear, money spent on crowns... that's all gone, permanently. Which, you know what? That's fine. Someone was crying about how the hundreds they spent on the game went up in smoke for using the exploit.
Without naming shaming etc what server were they NA or EU
@x_t7ink_x, honestly not sure now. One of them had a thread crying about how they'd been banned on the general forums day before yesterday at 2am or so. They were crying about how they'd been banned, and they had their server/platform on their profile. I remember the PS4 part. I don't remember if it was EU or NA, though.
Of course, ZOS deep sixed the entire thread, so I can't check, and I don't usually keep track of everyone who whines because their account was taken away. So, I'm sorry, I honestly don't remember.
Haha thats ok just wondered if there was less compilation on the leaderboards im EU
If you're curious, and ZOS hasn't scrubbed them yet, check your leaderboards. They were up on the leaderboards but didn't have any scores whatsoever. (My best guess is that because the boss encounter never started, they never actually earned score for that, so when the event ended, they got leaderboard positions, but their scores were discarded as incomplete.) Of course, if people have been legitimately clearing it since then, they'll have been pushed off the board.
So far as it goes, if you're worried about competition... don't. They're non-scoring. They just ended up on the boards without a score by a fluke.0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why some people that cheat/exploit get banned and some do not?
I can list dozens of exploit/cheating situations, worst than this one, where players were never banned.
Let’s not also forget that there was even a case where a certain popular PvP-oriented streamer had a ban actually lifted due to their online celebrity status. Even more ironic is that ZOS then proceeded with inviting this individual to their HQ to discuss the future direction of ESO. LOL! Only for this person to later on end-up quitting the game for the most part.
Na he still plays... I said his name must edit postEdited by Unfadingsilence on November 11, 2017 8:18PM1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »The problem needed dealt with , and the worst offenders needed punished.
On the other hand it is sickening to see how mean and vindictive some of you are.
This.
Ya’ll are brutal and vicious when it comes to Zos actually doing something. You also flip out when Zos doesn’t do anything.
It’s honestly depressing seeing comments along the lines of “why aren’t they doing anything for pvp?!?! Pve sucks”
That’s your opinion and you’re allowed to have it. Pvp and pve are equally important. We have to deal with enough bulls h it from error and bugs in the game. We shouldn’t be ripping each other apart
If you watched ESO Live they mentioned they are working on fixing the loading screens. I don’t know if any of you have actually taken a coding class or seen the insides of video game coding. It’s massive undertaking.
If you find something that doesn’t seem right and you don’t report it you have no right to complain about what happens.
There is a huge difference between randomly coming across a bug and actively participating in said exploit or bug..
I think the real issue I have is that they do not test or PTS test console...if they do then they need to consider hiring more competent testers. It took 4 days for ppl to find a glitch on the main piece of content being pushed by ZoS. 4 days...Not to even mention the loading screens...how does this go unnoticed? A console PTS would have cleared up all this mess before it even started.
From what I've managed to piece together? No, testing wouldn't have caught this. It relies on the players intentionally subverting the systems in place. That kind of stuff tends to be much harder to find during professional testing, and PTS environments are notorious for finding stuff like that and keeping it to themselves.2 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Damn look at this.
Still defending zos.
Have u even seen the threads just in the past week?
-Ps4 cannot even cyrodiil bc of infinite load screens.
-players unable to log into the game at all.
-CE rampant in pvp
-bot trains all over
-lag in pvp STILL HERE SINCE LIGHTING PATCH
-no sound in cyro
-broken master resto staff
-after patch: cp for regen and defense was broken as well as impen
Any many many more.
To let zos get away scott free with u defending them at this point is uber silly. Game so damn broken. But no. Blame players for finding something that should have been taken care of on the pts.
Yall are missing the big picture here by a mile, too focused on the wrongdoings of the players that ur missing the underlying factor: ZOS has yet to release a dlc that was not bug ridden. If zos listened to ptsers or had its own proper quality assurance then things like this wouldnt make it to live.
Zos is blaming these players for zos problem.
And by doing so, shifting the blame in ur eyes to the "offenders" of this bug rather then the persons who are responsable for the bug being in live version of the game in the first place.
And no, this situation is NOT the same as speeding ur car or going into an unlocked house to steal... jesus man the fact i have to say this really shows how uncommon common sense really is.
Stop defending zos when they are in the wrong. If u dont want players screwin up in the game, then the onus is on zos to put out content thats not fubard. PERIOD.
and no, im too busy in cyrodiil dealing with unplayable lag then trying to glitch bosses. And no, i dont know anyone who this happened to.
But. I am sore af at zos for coming down so hard on players for finding a glitch that should have NEVER made it to live had zos put in ANY qa effort for this patch.
TLDR: If they put the same effort into qa as they are with these exploit abusers, then they wouldnt have an exploit to abuse in the first place
Your TLDR is interesting,
since the only 'effort' they put into banning the players was banning them, making a post about the bans, and moving a thread on the topic
If anything, it would be nice to see ZOS make more effort in policing the exploitation of bugs
Not defending ZOS, just also not defending the exploiters
ZOS diminishes the quality of the game experience through laziness/inability to deal with bugs in their code
exploiters diminish the quality of the game experience through the willful use of bugs to their own ends
it is not an either/or situation"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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UppGRAYxDD✭✭✭✭✭
✭starkerealm wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »The problem needed dealt with , and the worst offenders needed punished.
On the other hand it is sickening to see how mean and vindictive some of you are.
This.
Ya’ll are brutal and vicious when it comes to Zos actually doing something. You also flip out when Zos doesn’t do anything.
It’s honestly depressing seeing comments along the lines of “why aren’t they doing anything for pvp?!?! Pve sucks”
That’s your opinion and you’re allowed to have it. Pvp and pve are equally important. We have to deal with enough bulls h it from error and bugs in the game. We shouldn’t be ripping each other apart
If you watched ESO Live they mentioned they are working on fixing the loading screens. I don’t know if any of you have actually taken a coding class or seen the insides of video game coding. It’s massive undertaking.
If you find something that doesn’t seem right and you don’t report it you have no right to complain about what happens.
There is a huge difference between randomly coming across a bug and actively participating in said exploit or bug..
I think the real issue I have is that they do not test or PTS test console...if they do then they need to consider hiring more competent testers. It took 4 days for ppl to find a glitch on the main piece of content being pushed by ZoS. 4 days...Not to even mention the loading screens...how does this go unnoticed? A console PTS would have cleared up all this mess before it even started.
From what I've managed to piece together? No, testing wouldn't have caught this. It relies on the players intentionally subverting the systems in place. That kind of stuff tends to be much harder to find during professional testing, and PTS environments are notorious for finding stuff like that and keeping it to themselves.
So some non professionals found something in 4 days that the pros missed in months of development and weeks of testing...my point exactly..."Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."0 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »Honestly I feel that a perma ban is a little aggressive considering that there are many other bugs/cheats that are being exploited daily with no repercussions. Now I understand the frustration and anger of PVE players with this instance, but don't forget the node farmers dealing with endless bots, or the legit PvP players pushing for emp only to get blocked by someone account sharing or boosting. Also, some or most blame should be directly aimed at ZoS for releasing broken content after months of development and weeks of PTS testing. Now I don't know the particulars pertaining to if this was just limited to console or global, but if it was just on console then maybe it's time to open a console PTS. It took four days to figure out that the new trial had a massive glitch that could be exploited which could have easily been avoided though a proper pts on console or at least competent group of testers from ZoS. Now while I do not condone these few exploiters, I do feel that the perma ban was excessive. A one month ban and warning of pending perma ban if caught again would probably have done the trick. Instead it leaves me with a feeling that ZoS got caught with their pants down and swiftly tossed out perma bans just to save face. Either hire more competent testers, give consoles a PTS, or at least enforce the rules properly across the whole game. Oh, by the way load screens are still broken.
More permabans need to be issued for more exploits,
rather than an alleviation of severity of standing bans because other issues are not yet being sufficiently dealt with
ZOS' record of leniency is why so much stuff is exploited so frequently"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Chronicburn✭✭✭✭Yeah I guess it was pretty stupid for them to be advertising glitched runs ... I wonder if some poor sucker who just went on a run with them got perma banned too though... imo only the ringleaders should have got a perma ban0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »The problem needed dealt with , and the worst offenders needed punished.
On the other hand it is sickening to see how mean and vindictive some of you are.
This.
Ya’ll are brutal and vicious when it comes to Zos actually doing something. You also flip out when Zos doesn’t do anything.
It’s honestly depressing seeing comments along the lines of “why aren’t they doing anything for pvp?!?! Pve sucks”
That’s your opinion and you’re allowed to have it. Pvp and pve are equally important. We have to deal with enough bulls h it from error and bugs in the game. We shouldn’t be ripping each other apart
If you watched ESO Live they mentioned they are working on fixing the loading screens. I don’t know if any of you have actually taken a coding class or seen the insides of video game coding. It’s massive undertaking.
If you find something that doesn’t seem right and you don’t report it you have no right to complain about what happens.
There is a huge difference between randomly coming across a bug and actively participating in said exploit or bug..
I think the real issue I have is that they do not test or PTS test console...if they do then they need to consider hiring more competent testers. It took 4 days for ppl to find a glitch on the main piece of content being pushed by ZoS. 4 days...Not to even mention the loading screens...how does this go unnoticed? A console PTS would have cleared up all this mess before it even started.
From what I've managed to piece together? No, testing wouldn't have caught this. It relies on the players intentionally subverting the systems in place. That kind of stuff tends to be much harder to find during professional testing, and PTS environments are notorious for finding stuff like that and keeping it to themselves.
So some non professionals found something in 4 days that the pros missed in months of development and weeks of testing...my point exactly...
Professionals are going through all the content, verifying that everything works as intended.
PTS players are going through looking for things that are working as intended, which they can break.
Let's take HRC for example.
Making sure the AOE spam works, is testing's job. They find it, they can report back, "hey, this does work, or this doesn't."
Important to understand, they have the instructions on how to clear the content. So they're not going to be doing a lot of experimentation outside of expected behavior.
So, the rock trick never came up. Certainly not to the point where everyone was climbing up on the rock and fighting from there. They know how you clear this content, and there's no reason to test this. Especially since some of the boss's AOE does work up there.
It's also worth understanding, professional video game testers aren't just shoved into a room, and told to go screw around. They have a job to do. They need to test specific functionality. These are not "professional video game players." They are people who have a checklist of things that need to get verified, and slightly less time than they need to get that testing done. That's not ZOS or Bethesda by the way, that is the entire industry.
So, no, this wasn't caught, because they were testing to make sure that the dye unlocked on completion. To make sure all of the achievements could be earned. To ensure that the set bonuses actually did what they were supposed to do. That's a tester's job. Not, to hunt for exploits in unstructured play for 40 hours a week.10 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »The problem needed dealt with , and the worst offenders needed punished.
On the other hand it is sickening to see how mean and vindictive some of you are.
This.
Ya’ll are brutal and vicious when it comes to Zos actually doing something. You also flip out when Zos doesn’t do anything.
It’s honestly depressing seeing comments along the lines of “why aren’t they doing anything for pvp?!?! Pve sucks”
That’s your opinion and you’re allowed to have it. Pvp and pve are equally important. We have to deal with enough bulls h it from error and bugs in the game. We shouldn’t be ripping each other apart
If you watched ESO Live they mentioned they are working on fixing the loading screens. I don’t know if any of you have actually taken a coding class or seen the insides of video game coding. It’s massive undertaking.
If you find something that doesn’t seem right and you don’t report it you have no right to complain about what happens.
There is a huge difference between randomly coming across a bug and actively participating in said exploit or bug..
I think the real issue I have is that they do not test or PTS test console...if they do then they need to consider hiring more competent testers. It took 4 days for ppl to find a glitch on the main piece of content being pushed by ZoS. 4 days...Not to even mention the loading screens...how does this go unnoticed? A console PTS would have cleared up all this mess before it even started.
From what I've managed to piece together? No, testing wouldn't have caught this. It relies on the players intentionally subverting the systems in place. That kind of stuff tends to be much harder to find during professional testing, and PTS environments are notorious for finding stuff like that and keeping it to themselves.
Sad truth, but it is the reality
"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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UppGRAYxDD✭✭✭✭✭
✭starkerealm wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »The problem needed dealt with , and the worst offenders needed punished.
On the other hand it is sickening to see how mean and vindictive some of you are.
This.
Ya’ll are brutal and vicious when it comes to Zos actually doing something. You also flip out when Zos doesn’t do anything.
It’s honestly depressing seeing comments along the lines of “why aren’t they doing anything for pvp?!?! Pve sucks”
That’s your opinion and you’re allowed to have it. Pvp and pve are equally important. We have to deal with enough bulls h it from error and bugs in the game. We shouldn’t be ripping each other apart
If you watched ESO Live they mentioned they are working on fixing the loading screens. I don’t know if any of you have actually taken a coding class or seen the insides of video game coding. It’s massive undertaking.
If you find something that doesn’t seem right and you don’t report it you have no right to complain about what happens.
There is a huge difference between randomly coming across a bug and actively participating in said exploit or bug..
I think the real issue I have is that they do not test or PTS test console...if they do then they need to consider hiring more competent testers. It took 4 days for ppl to find a glitch on the main piece of content being pushed by ZoS. 4 days...Not to even mention the loading screens...how does this go unnoticed? A console PTS would have cleared up all this mess before it even started.
From what I've managed to piece together? No, testing wouldn't have caught this. It relies on the players intentionally subverting the systems in place. That kind of stuff tends to be much harder to find during professional testing, and PTS environments are notorious for finding stuff like that and keeping it to themselves.
So some non professionals found something in 4 days that the pros missed in months of development and weeks of testing...my point exactly...
Professionals are going through all the content, verifying that everything works as intended.
PTS players are going through looking for things that are working as intended, which they can break.
Let's take HRC for example.
Making sure the AOE spam works, is testing's job. They find it, they can report back, "hey, this does work, or this doesn't."
Important to understand, they have the instructions on how to clear the content. So they're not going to be doing a lot of experimentation outside of expected behavior.
So, the rock trick never came up. Certainly not to the point where everyone was climbing up on the rock and fighting from there. They know how you clear this content, and there's no reason to test this. Especially since some of the boss's AOE does work up there.
It's also worth understanding, professional video game testers aren't just shoved into a room, and told to go screw around. They have a job to do. They need to test specific functionality. These are not "professional video game players." They are people who have a checklist of things that need to get verified, and slightly less time than they need to get that testing done. That's not ZOS or Bethesda by the way, that is the entire industry.
So, no, this wasn't caught, because they were testing to make sure that the dye unlocked on completion. To make sure all of the achievements could be earned. To ensure that the set bonuses actually did what they were supposed to do. That's a tester's job. Not, to hunt for exploits in unstructured play for 40 hours a week.
Soo, yet another reason for console PTS testing is all I got from this...and honestly, do you really think it took the testers a long time to complete all the content on this dlc? I still believe either they need to give more time for the testers to actually test for glitches, or open a week long pts for console players to test. As it stands, they released content that was blantatly easy to exploit and broke all load screens at the same time. No amount of defending ZoS will change that fact. For what it's worth I am glad they are working on a fix, but proper testing by either the pros or a console pts could have easily adverts this fiasco."Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »Soo, yet another reason for console PTS testing is all I got from this...
Then you missed the part about PTS servers above.1 -
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@Bobby_V_RockitBobby_V_Rockit wrote: »What if you honestly didnt know it was an exploit? Such as a pug run?
First, they were selling speed runs in-game for gold.
Second, what are the chances of a DLC trial being pugged and everyone just accidentally ends up standing in the same spot where the boss can't hit you, while spamming snipe, and *not* knowing this was an exploit?
End of story ...
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✭✭✭✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »Yeah I guess it was pretty stupid for them to be advertising glitched runs ... I wonder if some poor sucker who just went on a run with them got perma banned too though... imo only the ringleaders should have got a perma ban
Why? Seriously. Someone knowingly goes on a run, pays to go on a run, that is purposefully glitched? The means they are using would be obvious to anyone with even mild intelligence.1 -
_Salty_✭✭✭✭✭Blaming zos for your exploiting is like blaming McDonald's for making you fat. The choice is yours.Psn l---Salty---l
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✭✭✭✭✭Isn’t this ZoS’s fault for having a bug in the game allowing people to kill a boss from a safe area?! How is that a bannable offense for those players if it is built into the game, you should be thanking them for doing some free beta testing and exposing a bug your dev team left out there......
I tend to agree with you about this.
Players who take advantage of unintended advantages due to mistakes in game design shouldn't be faulted. Ultimately that is the developer's fault. And how are the players suppose to know if it's an exploit anyway? Killing a boss from a safe area certainly isn't obvious to me.
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✭✭✭✭✭Isn’t this ZoS’s fault for having a bug in the game allowing people to kill a boss from a safe area?! How is that a bannable offense for those players if it is built into the game, you should be thanking them for doing some free beta testing and exposing a bug your dev team left out there......
No, it's not ZoS's fault for other people cheating. A bug being in the game doesn't force people to use it intentionally to cheat content or sell clears in zone, etc.-- @xaraan --
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✭Chronicburn wrote: »Yeah I guess it was pretty stupid for them to be advertising glitched runs ... I wonder if some poor sucker who just went on a run with them got perma banned too though... imo only the ringleaders should have got a perma ban
ZOS's position on players using exploits is very clear in the TOS. There is no doubt that they were exploiting it.
Any body got wrapped up in this should've realized from the start of the fight, that what they were doing was wrong.
At that point they could have taken the moral route and dropped group, but they decided to continue, and are now just as guilty as the "ringleaders".
I think the reason ZOS went so hard this time, is the egregious nature of the players using the exploit.
They had a chance to do the right thing, but greed pushed them on. The ban on them should also not be lifted.
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✭✭✭✭✭kyle.wilson wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »Yeah I guess it was pretty stupid for them to be advertising glitched runs ... I wonder if some poor sucker who just went on a run with them got perma banned too though... imo only the ringleaders should have got a perma ban
ZOS's position on players using exploits is very clear in the TOS. There is no doubt that they were exploiting it.
Any body got wrapped up in this should've realized from the start of the fight, that what they were doing was wrong.
At that point they could have taken the moral route and dropped group, but they decided to continue, and are now just as guilty as the "ringleaders".
I think the reason ZOS went so hard this time, is the egregious nature of the players using the exploit.
They had a chance to do the right thing, but greed pushed them on. The ban on them should also not be lifted.
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✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »ZOS said it is an action that will result in a ban.
...unless you are a "famous" YouTuber or in Hodor
@stevepdodson_ESO888
If you are suggesting Horor glitched the fight for their WF HM vAS clear then here is some information to enlighten you. Hodor posts videos of there WF HM clears for everyone to see what they did. So it would be silly for them to glitch it and more ludicrous for someone to think they did something worth being banned.
Here are just two videos of there WF HM clear. Each from a different perspective and nothing seems edited. Obviously they have nothing to hide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvFh0W1y5xk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b98s2Z6KmY&t=25s
I expect there are more videos, this is just two. Anyone posting videos of what they do would be a fool to do so if they cheat or glitch.
@UrbanAvalonUrbanAvalon wrote: »The final boss in Banished Cells I & II was glitched for months (Either he wouldn't leave his platform in I or his adds wouldn't leave in II). Using ZOS's logic, anyone who didnt quit that dungeon immediately after seeing that bug must have been exploiting it on purpose. And if you ran that dungeon at least twice during that time? ZOS is going to have to ban a lot of people to be consistent.
The issue that is being suggested in this thread is not about the mechanics of a fight being broken, but someone found something to exploit and avoid the mechanics. You statement on Zos logic is not correct with your example.
Extremely different. One, the mechanics themselves are broken and the other is finding a way to avoid the mechanics all together. One is life, the other is cheating by lame pathetic players.
just refer you to my earlier post where i said...
"Of course Hodor did it legit...they have no need to cheat...too damn good at the game (grumble, grumble, moan...jealous me)"
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@Bobby_V_RockitBobby_V_Rockit wrote: »What if you honestly didnt know it was an exploit? Such as a pug run?
First, they were selling speed runs in-game for gold.
Second, what are the chances of a DLC trial being pugged and everyone just accidentally ends up standing in the same spot where the boss can't hit you, while spamming snipe, and *not* knowing this was an exploit?
End of story ...
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✭✭✭✭✭kyle.wilson wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »Yeah I guess it was pretty stupid for them to be advertising glitched runs ... I wonder if some poor sucker who just went on a run with them got perma banned too though... imo only the ringleaders should have got a perma ban
ZOS's position on players using exploits is very clear in the TOS. There is no doubt that they were exploiting it.
Any body got wrapped up in this should've realized from the start of the fight, that what they were doing was wrong.
At that point they could have taken the moral route and dropped group, but they decided to continue, and are now just as guilty as the "ringleaders".
I think the reason ZOS went so hard this time, is the egregious nature of the players using the exploit.
They had a chance to do the right thing, but greed pushed them on. The ban on them should also not be lifted.
Expecting other players to make moral judgments and to drop a group or be banned if their fellow party members are using a questionable technique to defeat a boss more easily is unreasonable in my opinion.
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Ajaxduo✭✭✭✭✭UrbanAvalon wrote: »The final boss in Banished Cells I & II was glitched for months (Either he wouldn't leave his platform in I or his adds wouldn't leave in II). Using ZOS's logic, anyone who didnt quit that dungeon immediately after seeing that bug must have been exploiting it on purpose. And if you ran that dungeon at least twice during that time? ZOS is going to have to ban a lot of people to be consistent.
Wrong, that was a unavoidable bug. It is not the same thing. This was an intentional exploit which required a specific method. There was no way you’d of done this without knowing it was an exploit. So many nonsensical arguments trying to defend exploiters, these people got what they deserved. They knew the risks. Enough said.
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makreth✭✭✭✭✭Isn’t this ZoS’s fault for having a bug in the game allowing people to kill a boss from a safe area?! How is that a bannable offense for those players if it is built into the game, you should be thanking them for doing some free beta testing and exposing a bug your dev team left out there......
I tend to agree with you about this.
Players who take advantage of unintended advantages due to mistakes in game design shouldn't be faulted. Ultimately that is the developer's fault. And how are the players suppose to know if it's an exploit anyway? Killing a boss from a safe area certainly isn't obvious to me.
You can't be serious. One does not need critical thinking to reach a decision. And the terms of agreement which pretty much most games have the same policy.4
