Innate Axiom Set: bugged

Savos_Saren · November 2017

I tested the Innate Axiom set on my mDK and I've discovered some inconsistencies with the Innate buff. I swapped out my Innate Axoim shield with a shield of the same quality, enchantment, and trait. Swapping shields doesn't effect spell power, either... so it should give me a fair reading of the Innate buff. The following results were from wearing a 2pc Slimecraw, 5pc Silks, and 5pc Innate Axiom build with a sword and board:

-Draw Essence (Inhale morph) has no change whatsoever to its initial burst of magic damage or its secondary burst of fire damage.
-Volatile Armor (Spiked Armor morph) has no change to its initial DoT damage, but does see an increase to the magic damage to melee attackers.
-Flame Lash (Lava Whip morph) has an increase to the base attack, but receives no increase to Power Lash or the two second heal.
-Burning Embers (Searing Strike morph) both the initial hit and the DoT are buffed. Working as intended.
-Burning Talons (Dark Talons morph) the initial hit receives an increase- but the DoT and Synergy receive no increase in damage.
-Shifting Standard (Dragonknight Standard morph) the initial hit receives an increase- but the Synergy receives no increase in damage.

These are only a few of the class skills that I tested- but as you can see- Innate only buffs some of the damage or none of it whatsoever on Draw Essence. The only ability that seems to reflect Innate appropriately is Burning Embers.

Can anyone else confirm these inconsistencies?

@ZOS_GinaBruno could you please pass to your combat team that this set may be bugged? Again- I've only tested it on mDK abilities... it may be the same on all classes, though.

brandonv516 · November 2017

Since you already have it crafted, mind testing it on a magicka templar (if you have one)?

Very useful information for the DK. Thank you.

supaskrub · November 2017

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/378004/innate-axiom-bugged#latest

Savos_Saren · November 2017

@brandonv516

Sure. I have a MagPlar. You want me to use 2pc Slimecraw, 5 Innate Axiom, and 5 War Maiden? I try to use a consistent set with my tests. For instance, if anyone wants to do their own testing:

For a MagSorc- 2pc Slimecraw, 5pc Innate, 5pc Netch's Touch.

For a MagPlar/MagBlade- 2pc Slimecraw, 5pc Innate, 5pc War Maiden

For a mDK- 2pc Slimecraw, 5pc Innate, 5pc War Maiden

...and any stamina characters: 2pc Slimecraw, 5pc Innate, 5pc Automaton.

NBrookus · November 2017

This set is plagued by bugs. I recommend anyone thoroughly test it on PTS with their class and desired abilities before wasting the materials.

Since ZOS has not acknowledged the problems to us, I don't expect a fix anytime soon. I deconned mine.

Savos_Saren · November 2017

@NBrookus

I... uh... REALLY shouldn't have made all my gear legendary with prismatic enchantments...

NBrookus · November 2017

Neither should I have... so I feel your pain!

zParallaxz · November 2017

I tried to warn people, looks like the first thread got buried. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

brandonv516 · November 2017

jaburns wrote: »

@brandonv516

Sure. I have a MagPlar. You want me to use 2pc Slimecraw, 5 Innate Axiom, and 5 War Maiden? I try to use a consistent set with my tests. For instance, if anyone wants to do their own testing:

For a MagSorc- 2pc Slimecraw, 5pc Innate, 5pc Netch's Touch.

For a MagPlar/MagBlade- 2pc Slimecraw, 5pc Innate, 5pc War Maiden

For a mDK- 2pc Slimecraw, 5pc Innate, 5pc War Maiden

...and any stamina characters: 2pc Slimecraw, 5pc Innate, 5pc Automaton.

Yeah anything to see which class skills it buffs/which are bugged. War Maiden would be fine with it since that's likely what I would toll.

Lylith · November 2017

thank you for this thread and the other. you guys saved me a pile of mats and a mountain of rage.

i think i'll wait til they sort it out.

_Salty_ · November 2017

I'm sure they will fix it. I mean they did fix willows path after a few years right?

brandonv516 · November 2017

For Templars it seems to do nothing for:

Purifying Light
Radiant Oppression

The_Protagonist · December 2017

What a shame, no response on this one either.

RouDeR · December 2017

The set is not adding any damage to the warden abilities that are scaling with Max Health also.

MaleAmazon · December 2017

The set is not adding any damage to the warden abilities that are scaling with Max Health also.

You wouldnt expect them too, no? Take impaling shards;

Impaling Shards 1 86161 Magicka Warden Winter's Embrace 1

Skewer enemies with icy shards, dealing $1 Frost Damage in the area every 1 second over 12 seconds and reducing Movement Speed by 30% for 3 seconds. Damage done is based on your Max Health.

$1 = 0.0200419 Health - 1.04747 (Health, R2 = 0.999956, ratio = 0.00)

There is no weapon or spell damage there to begin with.

As for backlash skill:

Summon an expanding beam of pure sunlight to doom an enemy, dealing $1 Magic Damage to them and copying all their damage taken for 6 seconds and releasing 20% of it as additional Magic Damage to them. Maximum copied damage: $2.

$1 = 0.0500408 Magicka + 0.524294 SD - 0.94969 (Magicka, R2 = 0.999999, ratio = 10.48)
$2 = 0.600017 Magicka + 0.0001054 SD - 0.860844 (Magicka, R2 = 1, ratio = 0.00)

So the max copied damage (and with that the final boom) shouldnt be affected, the initial hit should.

FloppyTouch · December 2017

Wish I read this before I crafted it oh well I hope they fix it

paulsimonps · December 2017

RouDeR wrote: »

The set is not adding any damage to the warden abilities that are scaling with Max Health also.

@RouDeR
I went on the PTS to test out this set on a Warden. Here are a list of abilities that are buffed by this set:

Damage skills:

Dive+morphs
Scorch+morphs
Swam+morphs
Winter's Revenge
Crystallized Slab

Healing skills:

Fungal Growth+morphs
Healing Seed+morphs
Living Vines+morphs
Nature's Grasp+morphs
Secluded Grove+morphs

So the only damage/healing abilities that are missing out from the warden are these:

Sleet Storm+morphs (Scales with Max Stamina or Magicka)
Impaling Shards+Griping Shard morph (Scales with Max Health)
Arctic Wind+morphs (Scales with Max Health)
Feral Guardian+morphs (Scales with Max Stamina or Magicka)
Lotus Flower+morphs (Seems to only scale with level)

So while it would be really nice if Sleet Storm and Feral Guardian also scales with weapon and spell damage, the Arctic Wind and Impaling Shards not being buffed by Axiom does makes sense since weapon or spell damage has no effect on it, same with Lotus Flower. And any remaining skills that they have are pure buff skills with no damage or healing. So after testing this I am happy that I started leveling my stamina Warden that I wanted to use Axiom on.

Savos_Saren · December 2017

@paulsimonps

As always- thanks for your testing. I’m currently deployed right now (so I can’t do my own testing)- but am I wrong about Innate Axiom not buffing the DK skills that I initially posted?

paulsimonps · December 2017

@jaburns
Dragonknight abilities effected by Axiom:

Lava Whip+morphs (Power Lash proc isn't effected )
Searing Strike+morphs
Fiery Breath+morphs
Fiery Grip+morphs
Inferno+morphs
Dragonknight Standard+morphs
Spiked Armor+morphs (Volatile Armor initial DoT isn't effected)
Dark Talons+morphs
Inhale+Deep Breath (Seems like you were right about Draw breath)
Dragon Leap+morphs
Stonefist+morphs (Obsidian Shard's heal isn't effected)
Fragmented Shield (Only the damage part gets buffed, not the actual shield)
Petrify+morphs
Ash Cloud+morphs
Magma Armor+morphs

So all skills but Draw Breath works but 3 skills only work partially. I did a thing that makes me want to go back and double check the ultimates of the Warden, cause at first I thought it was just magicka and stamina that was effecting the partial skills too but that was not the case after I double checked. So confirmed bugged skills of the Dragonknight are:

Volatile Armor
Draw Breath
Obsidian Shard
Flame Lash

paulsimonps · December 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

The set is not adding any damage to the warden abilities that are scaling with Max Health also.

@RouDeR
I went on the PTS to test out this set on a Warden. Here are a list of abilities that are buffed by this set:

Damage skills:
Dive+morphs

Scorch+morphs

Swam+morphs

Winter's Revenge

Crystallized Slab

Healing skills:
Fungal Growth+morphs

Healing Seed+morphs

Living Vines+morphs

Nature's Grasp+morphs

Secluded Grove+morphs

So the only damage/healing abilities that are missing out from the warden are these:
Sleet Storm+morphs (Scales with Max Stamina or Magicka)

Impaling Shards+Griping Shard morph (Scales with Max Health)

Arctic Wind+morphs (Scales with Max Health)

Feral Guardian+morphs (Scales with Max Stamina or Magicka)

Lotus Flower+morphs (Seems to only scale with level)

So while it would be really nice if Sleet Storm and Feral Guardian also scales with weapon and spell damage, the Arctic Wind and Impaling Shards not being buffed by Axiom does makes sense since weapon or spell damage has no effect on it, same with Lotus Flower. And any remaining skills that they have are pure buff skills with no damage or healing. So after testing this I am happy that I started leveling my stamina Warden that I wanted to use Axiom on.

@jaburns
After further analysis of the ultimates Sleet Storm and Feral Guardian I have noted that they are indeed bugged and do scale with weapon and spell damage but not with Axiom. Looking at the Warden and Dragonknight makes this even weirder since its the only ultimates that are bugged, even the Warden Healing ultimate is effected by Axiom. So we can add those two to the list of bugged skills with Axiom.

Savos_Saren · December 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert could we please get a response for the Innate Axiom bug?

Moglijuana · December 2017

uh, hello? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Vesper_BR · January 2018

Up..

srnm · January 2018

The PTS patch notes appear to indicate a fix:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388819/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-0#latest
search for innate.

Hopefully someone can test soon?