Xbox one X - first impressions

Heka Cain · November 2017

Having had Xboxes, 360s,slim and same with PS4s I can say in all honesty that since building a high end pc in April of this year, gaming is sooo much better on every level...and I do mean EVERY LEVEL! The term master race is only ever bandied about by master betas btw...you know who you are!

greylox · November 2017

It's a shame the pro and one x aren't full native 4k all the time on all games, but it's still quite a lot of hardware for the cheap price. Shame about the CPUs though.

nnargun · November 2017

If it doesn't run at 60 fps it's not good.

Does it run at 60 fps though? Can somebody answer? I'm considering reviving my XBO account if so...

KingJ · November 2017

nnargun wrote: »

If it doesn't run at 60 fps it's not good.

Does it run at 60 fps though? Can somebody answer? I'm considering reviving my XBO account if so...

For 4k its 30 fps.The new Cod is 4k with 60 fps.Don't remember any other game like that.Some games run at 1080p with 60fps.

Kay1 · November 2017

KingJ wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

If it doesn't run at 60 fps it's not good.

Does it run at 60 fps though? Can somebody answer? I'm considering reviving my XBO account if so...

For 4k its 30 fps.The new Cod is 4k with 60 fps.Don't remember any other game like that.Some games run at 1080p with 60fps.

The majority in ps4 pro are 60fps 1080p

How can the X not run ESO at 60 fps on 1080p?

Did you guys tested it really well?

I expected the X to be better than the Pro but if it can't even get 60fps on this game...

Publius_Scipio · November 2017

greylox wrote: »

It's a shame the pro and one x aren't full native 4k all the time on all games, but it's still quite a lot of hardware for the cheap price. Shame about the CPUs though.

The Pro can’t but I believe the X can run 4K at 60fps with no issue if a game is developed as such.

DRXHarbinger · November 2017

Heka Cain wrote: »

Having had Xboxes, 360s,slim and same with PS4s I can say in all honesty that since building a high end pc in April of this year, gaming is sooo much better on every level...and I do mean EVERY LEVEL! The term master race is only ever bandied about by master betas btw...you know who you are!

Yeah sure, I guess I can upgrade my PC anytime I wish but you peasants have to wait 4-5 years for already outdated hardware, non serviceable hardware at that too, Enjoy your incoming fault lights that will without a doubt crop up shortly.

Na glad I switched to PC, Plus we don't have to payout just to play games online. PC is still and always will be the Master Race.

KingJ · November 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

If it doesn't run at 60 fps it's not good.

Does it run at 60 fps though? Can somebody answer? I'm considering reviving my XBO account if so...

For 4k its 30 fps.The new Cod is 4k with 60 fps.Don't remember any other game like that.Some games run at 1080p with 60fps.

The majority in ps4 pro are 60fps 1080p

How can the X not run ESO at 60 fps on 1080p?

Did you guys tested it really well?

I expected the X to be better than the Pro but if it can't even get 60fps on this game...

The PS4pro isnt native 4k for anything but ESO.Cant remember I could have sworn even on the pro and X1 ESO is still 30 fps locked.It can run ESO at 60 but ZOS didnt allow it.

nnargun · November 2017

Then XBOX is not an option. Nothing compares to the smoothness of 60 fps in heated battles. Except even more fps obvs.

exeeter702 · November 2017

kvlou79 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Galenus_of_Pergamon wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Galenus_of_Pergamon wrote: »

ESO in 4k HDR on PS4 Pro on a high end Sony TV is breathtaking. I buy Microsoft and Sony products. I hope Xbox One X gives its purchasers an equal, if not better, ESO performance with those 6 teraflops and all of that RAM!

Sorry but breathtaking is a bit of an exaggeration.... tboe only people that would consider eso at 4k via ps4pro on an hdr tv (4k mode has none of the graphical improvements) are those rhat have never seen true high fidelity visuals cranked up in pc hardware.

This is not some pc masterace comment. In fact i spend most of my time on my ps4 account vs my pc account. But visually, eso on the pro at 4k is hardly "breathtaking".

Breathtaking is a relative term. Staring at the northern lights aurora in East March took my breath away. Therefore, it is breathtaking to at least me.

Also, PS4 Pro is 4k Native when not in 1080 enhanced....

www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25857

I forgot to specify eso is the exception. I dont believe there is a single game witb pro support outaide of eso that runs at native 4k. Simply becuase most traditional AAA games are far more involved visually than mmos are. Whereas XBOX has on record at least 2 AAA games running at native 4k.

Check out Shadows of Mordor on Pro and 4K tv. Holy s%#^*!

Its decent. Looks like a game running at 4k checkerboard should look.

That is just standard AAA budget production values and is to be expected. It is not native 4k though, which was my point.

zaria · November 2017

nnargun wrote: »

Then XBOX is not an option. Nothing compares to the smoothness of 60 fps in heated battles. Except even more fps obvs.

One other major benefit of 60fps in ESO is that you have an good margin for fps drops. If fps drops to the half you are at 30 rather than 15.
compared to this 4k is an gimmick. Yes its nice but not important. In an game there you have more control over minimum frame rate 4K is relevant. Eso however have plenty of zerg style fights

LiquidPony · November 2017

Heka Cain wrote: »

Having had Xboxes, 360s,slim and same with PS4s I can say in all honesty that since building a high end pc in April of this year, gaming is sooo much better on every level...and I do mean EVERY LEVEL! The term master race is only ever bandied about by master betas btw...you know who you are!

Why do you /r/pcmasterrace people have to butt your way into every thread?

nnargun · November 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

Heka Cain wrote: »

Having had Xboxes, 360s,slim and same with PS4s I can say in all honesty that since building a high end pc in April of this year, gaming is sooo much better on every level...and I do mean EVERY LEVEL! The term master race is only ever bandied about by master betas btw...you know who you are!

Why do you /r/pcmasterrace people have to butt your way into every thread?

Why would we spend 5 times as much on our PCs than you on your XBOXs if we couldn't mock you after?

Just for increased draw distance and particle density? Come on, man

Khrogo · November 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

How can the X not run ESO at 60 fps on 1080p?

Maybe it can but Zenimax wanted to maintain 30fps parity between the different models of Xbox. That way no one has an unfair, pay-to-win advantage.

Khrogo · November 2017

Maybe Xbox X can do 60fps at 1080p but Zenimax wanted to maintain 30fps parity between different Xbox models. That way no one is perceived to have an unfair advantage.

alexkdd99 · November 2017

nnargun wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Heka Cain wrote: »

Having had Xboxes, 360s,slim and same with PS4s I can say in all honesty that since building a high end pc in April of this year, gaming is sooo much better on every level...and I do mean EVERY LEVEL! The term master race is only ever bandied about by master betas btw...you know who you are!

Why do you /r/pcmasterrace people have to butt your way into every thread?

Why would we spend 5 times as much on our PCs than you on your XBOXs if we couldn't mock you after?

Just for increased draw distance and particle density? Come on, man

You know, people can have both. I personally buy all new xbox that come out but also own a gaming pc. Btw, try building a pc similar to the one x at the same price point.

I am still waiting on my one x to get here as I bought the project Scorpio edition from Walmart and for some reason won't get it until the 9th or 10th. Will compare against my pc when I get it.

If it wasn't for zos the one x would most likely run at 4k 60fps, like cod wwii. Don't know why zos is taking that stance while cod isn't, but bungie also did with destiny 2. Kind of crappy, imo.

nnargun · November 2017

ESO needs lots of cpu power on PC. The X doesn't have a strong cpu. That's why I guess. Plus frame drops are more annoying and noticeable than constant 30 fps.

Edit: Does it do 60 fps at 1080p?

danno8 · November 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Heka Cain wrote: »

Having had Xboxes, 360s,slim and same with PS4s I can say in all honesty that since building a high end pc in April of this year, gaming is sooo much better on every level...and I do mean EVERY LEVEL! The term master race is only ever bandied about by master betas btw...you know who you are!

Why do you /r/pcmasterrace people have to butt your way into every thread?

Why would we spend 5 times as much on our PCs than you on your XBOXs if we couldn't mock you after?

Just for increased draw distance and particle density? Come on, man

You know, people can have both. I personally buy all new xbox that come out but also own a gaming pc. Btw, try building a pc similar to the one x at the same price point.

I am still waiting on my one x to get here as I bought the project Scorpio edition from Walmart and for some reason won't get it until the 9th or 10th. Will compare against my pc when I get it.

If it wasn't for zos the one x would most likely run at 4k 60fps, like cod wwii. Don't know why zos is taking that stance while cod isn't, but bungie also did with destiny 2. Kind of crappy, imo.

You could get a 1060 6GB and the system memory and motherboard for that price. The CPU would be tricky since I can't actually find an equivalently weak (< 2.8 GHZ) desktop CPU for sale.

If I were to use a decent CPU, probably would work out to a couple hundred dollars more than the XB1X.

There is no doubt that it is a great price for the system, if you are looking at consoles.

Twohothardware · November 2017

nnargun wrote: »

ESO needs lots of cpu power on PC. The X doesn't have a strong cpu. That's why I guess. Plus frame drops are more annoying and noticeable than constant 30 fps.

Edit: Does it do 60 fps at 1080p?

No. The reason it's never going to do 60 fps even if the CPU could handle it is because it gives an advantage in multiplayer over all the rest of the people running at 30 fps.

nnargun · November 2017

Twohothardware wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

ESO needs lots of cpu power on PC. The X doesn't have a strong cpu. That's why I guess. Plus frame drops are more annoying and noticeable than constant 30 fps.

Edit: Does it do 60 fps at 1080p?

No. The reason it's never going to do 60 fps even if the CPU could handle it is because it gives an advantage in multiplayer over all the rest of the people running at 30 fps.

So? If you have a weak PC you can't play it at 60 fps either. Why would that be different with a weak console?
I don't think the cpu of the X is capable of it. I have an i7 8700k at 5 ghz and it still uses 100% single core at times. Maybe it's better optimized for consoles? ^^

exeeter702 · November 2017

nnargun wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

ESO needs lots of cpu power on PC. The X doesn't have a strong cpu. That's why I guess. Plus frame drops are more annoying and noticeable than constant 30 fps.

Edit: Does it do 60 fps at 1080p?

No. The reason it's never going to do 60 fps even if the CPU could handle it is because it gives an advantage in multiplayer over all the rest of the people running at 30 fps.

So? If you have a weak PC you can't play it at 60 fps either. Why would that be different with a weak console?
I don't think the cpu of the X is capable of it. I have an i7 8700k at 5 ghz and it still uses 100% single core at times. Maybe it's better optimized for consoles? ^^

So then what are you getting at? Are you fishing for a "the hardware cant run it at 60fps but they dont want to admit it, so they claim its for player balance concerns" ?

Everyone and their mother had made the pc argument of why locking fps for parity is silly since that environment already exists.

And for what its worth its basically already confirmed from hardware tests that the x1x is capable. If eso kept its visual settings as they are on regular x1 and ps4, and placed on the x1x as is, rendering at or around 60fps is entirely within reason. The ones calling the shots for console platform network play have arbitrarily decided fps needs to be identical on all platforms. This likely has to do with quality control and less variables they would eant to deal with on a controlled environment that a game console is generally billed as.

Twohothardware · November 2017

nnargun wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

ESO needs lots of cpu power on PC. The X doesn't have a strong cpu. That's why I guess. Plus frame drops are more annoying and noticeable than constant 30 fps.

Edit: Does it do 60 fps at 1080p?

No. The reason it's never going to do 60 fps even if the CPU could handle it is because it gives an advantage in multiplayer over all the rest of the people running at 30 fps.

So? If you have a weak PC you can't play it at 60 fps either. Why would that be different with a weak console?
I don't think the cpu of the X is capable of it. I have an i7 8700k at 5 ghz and it still uses 100% single core at times. Maybe it's better optimized for consoles? ^^

Because that's the difference between console and PC. On console Sony and Microsoft want parity between the players. On PC there's noone in charge to say one way or another outside of the game developer so players can use whatever and everyone is on a different level playing field in terms of how their game runs.

Alexandrious · November 2017

MJallday wrote: »

based on about 35 minutes this morning PRE - CWC Update . so what im comparing here is The xbox elite (1tb) vs the xbox one x
(clearly post update it will be very different!)

GFX - exactly the same
FPS - seems to have improved by about 2-5 fps (a guestimate) - seems much smoother
speed - area load times improved by 1-2 seconds.

Joke system is joke system. No reason to get a Xbox One X when you have a PC. Whats making me having more lulz are the clueless players who thinks they will be able to play ESO at 4k on that thing without it becoming a friggen slide show in cities, dungeons, trials, pvp. But hey, least everywhere else will look pretty!

kek

nnargun · November 2017

exeeter702 wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

ESO needs lots of cpu power on PC. The X doesn't have a strong cpu. That's why I guess. Plus frame drops are more annoying and noticeable than constant 30 fps.

Edit: Does it do 60 fps at 1080p?

No. The reason it's never going to do 60 fps even if the CPU could handle it is because it gives an advantage in multiplayer over all the rest of the people running at 30 fps.

So? If you have a weak PC you can't play it at 60 fps either. Why would that be different with a weak console?
I don't think the cpu of the X is capable of it. I have an i7 8700k at 5 ghz and it still uses 100% single core at times. Maybe it's better optimized for consoles? ^^

So then what are you getting at? Are you fishing for a "the hardware cant run it at 60fps but they dont want to admit it, so they claim its for player balance concerns" ?

Everyone and their mother had made the pc argument of why locking fps for parity is silly since that environment already exists.

And for what its worth its basically already confirmed from hardware tests that the x1x is capable. If eso kept its visual settings as they are on regular x1 and ps4, and placed on the x1x as is, rendering at or around 60fps is entirely within reason. The ones calling the shots for console platform network play have arbitrarily decided fps needs to be identical on all platforms. This likely has to do with quality control and less variables they would eant to deal with on a controlled environment that a game console is generally billed as.

I'd be pretty pissed if my new console couldn't play at 60 fps because the old console can't do it either. What about that CoD or whatever people are talking about which supposedly runs at 60 fps?
You may be right though, I don't know. But I have a hard time imagining this. Is there any official statement of Microsoft or Sony that this is a thing?

Edit: Oh or maybe you think the fps thing is regulated by ZOS? So there is no 2class gaming? I mean they'd never try to sell a flaw as a feature, right?

And do you have a link to those hardware tests confirming that the X can play ESO with 60 fps? I'd be very interested in reading them.

Azicah · November 2017

Alexandrious wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

based on about 35 minutes this morning PRE - CWC Update . so what im comparing here is The xbox elite (1tb) vs the xbox one x
(clearly post update it will be very different!)

GFX - exactly the same
FPS - seems to have improved by about 2-5 fps (a guestimate) - seems much smoother
speed - area load times improved by 1-2 seconds.

Joke system is joke system. No reason to get a Xbox One X when you have a PC. Whats making me having more lulz are the clueless players who thinks they will be able to play ESO at 4k on that thing without it becoming a friggen slide show in cities, dungeons, trials, pvp. But hey, least everywhere else will look pretty!

kek

I know several people that run the game at 4K on the X1X on 4K monitors and they all told me that the frames were better than last patch. Hell, two people I know managed to complete HM vMoL with good frames on Tuesday (the day CWC dropped), with the X1X. Definitely not a slide show.

Alexandrious · November 2017

Azicah wrote: »

Alexandrious wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

based on about 35 minutes this morning PRE - CWC Update . so what im comparing here is The xbox elite (1tb) vs the xbox one x
(clearly post update it will be very different!)

GFX - exactly the same
FPS - seems to have improved by about 2-5 fps (a guestimate) - seems much smoother
speed - area load times improved by 1-2 seconds.

Joke system is joke system. No reason to get a Xbox One X when you have a PC. Whats making me having more lulz are the clueless players who thinks they will be able to play ESO at 4k on that thing without it becoming a friggen slide show in cities, dungeons, trials, pvp. But hey, least everywhere else will look pretty!

kek

I know several people that run the game at 4K on the X1X on 4K monitors and they all told me that the frames were better than last patch. Hell, two people I know managed to complete HM vMoL with good frames on Tuesday (the day CWC dropped), with the X1X. Definitely not a slide show.

Video or it didnt happen. Its called being bullshitted lad. They are NOT, getting good frames at 4k in a trial when PCs with even double the hardware power cant even get better than 30 fps at 1080p. I know of a guy who has a 2017 custom built PC with a I7 7700k Processor, and he was only able to get a near 60 fps in any trial by Ocing his Processor to 5ghz, thats at 1080p. Your telling me a Console with 2.4ghz can get even near 30fps on 4k? Cuz "good frames" basically means at minimum, 25-30fps. Most PCs with even slightly stronger hardware cant even get more than 15.

Basically, they are trying to justify their bad purchase, aka lying to themselves. Zenimax isnt capable of that kinda black magic with this badly modified graphics engine. If they ever were capable of it, performance issues on the game woulda been fixed years ago.

DRXHarbinger · November 2017

Alexandrious wrote: »

Azicah wrote: »

Alexandrious wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

based on about 35 minutes this morning PRE - CWC Update . so what im comparing here is The xbox elite (1tb) vs the xbox one x
(clearly post update it will be very different!)

GFX - exactly the same
FPS - seems to have improved by about 2-5 fps (a guestimate) - seems much smoother
speed - area load times improved by 1-2 seconds.

Joke system is joke system. No reason to get a Xbox One X when you have a PC. Whats making me having more lulz are the clueless players who thinks they will be able to play ESO at 4k on that thing without it becoming a friggen slide show in cities, dungeons, trials, pvp. But hey, least everywhere else will look pretty!

kek

I know several people that run the game at 4K on the X1X on 4K monitors and they all told me that the frames were better than last patch. Hell, two people I know managed to complete HM vMoL with good frames on Tuesday (the day CWC dropped), with the X1X. Definitely not a slide show.

Video or it didnt happen. Its called being bullshitted lad. They are NOT, getting good frames at 4k in a trial when PCs with even double the hardware power cant even get better than 30 fps at 1080p. I know of a guy who has a 2017 custom built PC with a I7 7700k Processor, and he was only able to get a near 60 fps in any trial by Ocing his Processor to 5ghz, thats at 1080p. Your telling me a Console with 2.4ghz can get even near 30fps on 4k? Cuz "good frames" basically means at minimum, 25-30fps. Most PCs with even slightly stronger hardware cant even get more than 15.

Basically, they are trying to justify their bad purchase, aka lying to themselves. Zenimax isnt capable of that kinda black magic with this badly modified graphics engine. If they ever were capable of it, performance issues on the game woulda been fixed years ago.

I'd like to know how a console player counts his frame rate. Try counting to 30 in 1 seconds...then try and double that count...hmmm. console logic.

DRXHarbinger · November 2017

But bear in kind consoles before this were at around 10fps in stacked trials so upping to even 15 would seem like they joined the the year 2017 in an instant.

nnargun · November 2017

I don't think cpu power and 4k resolution has much to do with each other but I can surely confirm that a strongly overclocked cpu that costs more than the whole console (i.e. after delidding, applying liquid metal, and installing the biggest cooler available) is barely capable of running the game smoothly.

edit: not because the cpu is bad but because the game is poorly optimized. That may be different on the new concole but I doubt it.

ArchMikem · November 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Heka Cain wrote: »

Having had Xboxes, 360s,slim and same with PS4s I can say in all honesty that since building a high end pc in April of this year, gaming is sooo much better on every level...and I do mean EVERY LEVEL! The term master race is only ever bandied about by master betas btw...you know who you are!

Yeah sure, I guess I can upgrade my PC anytime I wish but you peasants have to wait 4-5 years for already outdated hardware, non serviceable hardware at that too, Enjoy your incoming fault lights that will without a doubt crop up shortly.

Na glad I switched to PC, Plus we don't have to payout just to play games online. PC is still and always will be the Master Race.

Have fun burning holes into your wallet a lot more frequently than us then with all your upgrades.