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  • PlagueSD
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    Gravord wrote: »
    Is the money of polish subscribers not important to ZOS? And quite a few other countries too? Sweepstakes participation limited barely to 10 countries.
    It's disgusting and insulting towards thousands (tens of thousands?) of your playerbase.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert

    Check your local laws. ZOS has nothing to do with not allowing sweepstakes in certain countries.
    Rosveen wrote: »
    Even if the service is free, you still need to acquire it. That makes it a promotional lottery which falls under the Polish gambling law.

    Art. 2. 1. Grami losowymi są gry, w tym urządzane przez sieć Internet, o wygrane pieniężne lub rzeczowe, których wynik w szczególności zależy od przypadku. Są to:
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    10) loterie promocyjne, w których uczestniczy się przez nabycie towaru, usługi lub innego dowodu udziału w grze i tym samym nieodpłatnie uczestniczy się w loterii, a podmiot urządzający loterię oferuje wygrane pieniężne lub rzeczowe;

    Is there a english translation? Just curious :) I use to work in a law firm. Never sought to specialize in it, but law was always interesting to me.

    translate.google.com is your friend:

    Article 2. 1. Random games are games, including those organized by the Internet, for cash or cash prizes, the outcome of which depends in particular on the case. These are:
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    10) promotional lotteries where they participate in the purchase of goods, services or other proof of participation in the game and thus participate in the lottery free of charge, and the entity organizing the lottery offers cash or cash winnings
    Edited by PlagueSD on November 7, 2017 10:37PM
  • Girl_Number8
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    idk wrote: »
    Vaoh wrote: »
    If your country doesn’t allow it why blame ZOS?

    I’ve seen numerous threads like this. What is wrong with you people? This shouldn’t even be a surprise to you.

    They paid their money for a game, and they're getting excluded from a contest related to the game they love. It hurts, and they're right to be upset and feel slighted.

    Zo$ could of given them some free crown crates, just a little love with no contest at all as a sign of goodwill. I would be fine with this :)<3

    @Girl_Number8

    Incorrect logic used.

    They have no reason to be upset with Zos over this if the laws of their nation or local governments forbid participation in such a thing just as those that don't live under such laws should not be punished as well.

    They should be talking with their government. Expressing their displeasure with them. Complain to an entity that has no control over their laws.

    Also, offering them free crowns to those upset with the laws they live under would be an extremely poor decision for Zos to make. Oh my, talk about justly complaining to Zos.

    Nah, it wouldn't. I am fine with people getting nice things. :) I don't get jealous, I feel happy for them.

    Btw really? "Incorrect logic used" lmfao, are u a robot? :smiley:
    Edited by Girl_Number8 on November 7, 2017 10:43PM
  • Girl_Number8
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    swippy wrote: »
    Vaoh wrote: »
    If your country doesn’t allow it why blame ZOS?

    I’ve seen numerous threads like this. What is wrong with you people? This shouldn’t even be a surprise to you.

    They paid their money for a game, and they're getting excluded from a contest related to the game they love. It hurts, and they're right to be upset and feel slighted.

    Zo$ could of given them some free crown crates, just a little love with no contest at all as a sign of goodwill. I would be fine with this :)<3

    i agree with the sentiment, but i think they kind of already did this. a related aspect of the sweepstakes is the Random Dungeon event starting at the end of the month, and since the legalities are easy on that everyone gets to participate to that degree. i'm settling for it myself.

    as an aside, i'm kind of assuming and strongly hoping that that's going to be another data-gathering "stress test" in order to fix some of the longstanding problems with that feature. it strikes me as similar to that random AP even they did early this year, when they encouraged everyone to rush Cyrodiil and then analyzed the results, and then came up with stuff to try to see what would work. i'm not very dungeony myself but i hear a lot of complaints around that queue, and those sound a lot more legitimate than most of the... ahem

    They gave stuff to the people excluded in the sweepstakes? Really? :smiley:

    Wait a minute they didn't, you sneaky!
  • Mettaricana
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    Im in florida usa and cant even enter any of their contests
  • Girl_Number8
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    Im in florida usa and cant even enter any of their contests

    Zo$ hook this player up with some swag :)
  • SirAndy
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    Local law is local ...
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  • Girl_Number8
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    Free swag is not controlled by any law, except the law of generosity. <3
  • starkerealm
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    Rosveen wrote: »
    Why this thread is mostly about Poland btw.? Are we the biggest complainers in the world? :D
    Because the OP is Polish and spent half the thread arguing that the sweepstakes are pefectly legal in our country.

    Which, I mean, they might be. The google translate of the statute isn't coherent enough for me to venture an opinion. But, Zenimax's lawyers disagree, or at least think it's not worth the risk to include them. Which kinda kills the idea wholesale.
  • Linaleah
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    Vaoh wrote: »
    If your country doesn’t allow it why blame ZOS?

    I’ve seen numerous threads like this. What is wrong with you people? This shouldn’t even be a surprise to you.

    They paid their money for a game, and they're getting excluded from a contest related to the game they love. It hurts, and they're right to be upset and feel slighted.

    Zo$ could of given them some free crown crates, just a little love with no contest at all as a sign of goodwill. I would be fine with this :)<3

    its sweepstakes, not a contest. there is a difference. and its not like poland is singled out. there are couple of US states that cannot participate in sweepstakes either. which is why.. there is a secondary component to the event that EVERYONE can participate in. and that is first random dungeon of the day event.

    as for giving stuff to people excluded from sweepstakes, consider this. people who participate in sweepstakes, but don't win? which is vast majority of participants. don't get anything extra either. so how is this fair to people who don't win? that those who didn't get to not win, get something extra? do you see the problem here? which is why ZoS DID bother to give something to everyone, those can can participate and those who cannot. random. dungeon. mystery. boxes.
    Edited by Linaleah on November 7, 2017 11:12PM
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • KRBMMO
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    Gravord wrote: »
    Is the money of polish subscribers not important to ZOS? And quite a few other countries too? Sweepstakes participation limited barely to 10 countries.
    It's disgusting and insulting towards thousands (tens of thousands?) of your playerbase.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert

    So if you have a solid legal case hire a lawyer and sue ZOS for discrimination.

    Put your money where your mouth is.

    All these keyboard lawyers, lol. Put up your own money if you think you have a solid legal case - hire a lawyer and sue for discrimination. If you think it was just a "random" decision to exclude Polish people with no basis in law.

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