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Congrats to Dragons Crest for World First vAS Swift Mercy and Sanctified No Death
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ConnorWoods✭✭✭Congrats to the whole team for the hard work and playing I'm sure it was much deserved,
However if there was a bug that enabled it to become easier it might have been a little more respectful to your competition to not make world first claims until it's verified whether it was fully legit or not.
But then again it's a game folks, get over it lmaoWashed up player6 -
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It was a patch that day and it didn't even cross my mind when I woke up today that this would be an exploit subject. I talked to other players who did that trial, and they was sure it was patched or something.
I also read your comment that just got removed, and you are clearly not happy about this.
About the vmol "shield exploit", I personally still have no idea how this even works.
Just relax, everytime I see your name, it's some type of drama involved. Focus on yourself some more and maybe one day you will get the speedrun as well
Edited by OrphanHelgen on October 31, 2017 3:17PMPC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
Finally a reason not to play League of Legends7 -
solasub✭✭✭✭✭the question is still : why not post a complete video?Tick Tock Tormentor• Gryphon Heart • Immortal Redeemer • Extinguisher of Flames • Dro-m'Athra Destroyer • Shiel of the North
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Fallewarrior✭✭✭✭The right boss is currently bugged. He just stands still and doesn't jump or give the bleed.
Still congratz on speed run I guess!
On to hm.Hocus Pocus Grim Focus
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modaretto✭✭✭we've been working on speedrun for a few days and honestly anyone can go in now and try themselves if they can get any close to time results. We focused on it since saturday since we saw even in an open raid we are so close to it that group optimisation and practice will give us these results. we also got one of our top scores the previous day with minimu deaths and fastest run possible.
but i will take all the salt and use it for winter ^^2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I admit, I am a bit surprised to see two tanks in a +0 run. When we tried +0 with two tanks, I (as the offtank) felt so useless--there wasn't really anything for me to do. We've since done +0 runs with 9 DPS and just one tank.
Do you feel that it's better to run with two tanks? And if so, any suggestions on what the OT should be doing? I kinda like the idea of two tanks, but I find it hard to justify the idea in +0.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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Salty Hodor member...? Or just salty player?Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.6 -
NotNormanBates✭✭✭Why people so hateful? Gj guys, good to see competition in the community. I wish console would release on the same day so we could be in on the race!3 -
modaretto✭✭✭I admit, I am a bit surprised to see two tanks in a +0 run. When we tried +0 with two tanks, I (as the offtank) felt so useless--there wasn't really anything for me to do. We've since done +0 runs with 9 DPS and just one tank.
Do you feel that it's better to run with two tanks? And if so, any suggestions on what the OT should be doing? I kinda like the idea of two tanks, but I find it hard to justify the idea in +0.
we tried both, running one tank and two tanks, in the end we had better results running two and utilizing them as support. On Llothis you can get an achievement for not killing the adds if you run two tanks. On Felms he can kite the shrapnel storm and on Olms exhaustive charges, which is less of a dps loss for the group, than a healer or a dd doing it. Also we get PA and Warhorn, which boosts overall dps more than having 1 dd more in place of tank.3 -
karma69✭✭✭I admit, I am a bit surprised to see two tanks in a +0 run. When we tried +0 with two tanks, I (as the offtank) felt so useless--there wasn't really anything for me to do. We've since done +0 runs with 9 DPS and just one tank.
Do you feel that it's better to run with two tanks? And if so, any suggestions on what the OT should be doing? I kinda like the idea of two tanks, but I find it hard to justify the idea in +0.
@code65536 Yeh the off-tank role is kinda useless in this environment, only useful on the mini bosses when doing +0, you get that extra Warhorn and DDs don't die to basic mechanics. Our reason for taking an off-tank was to get quick results, the DPS is always there as long as we stayed alive, which is what the off-tank helped in doing. If the main-tank has a death when going for such achievements, the off-tank is useful. An off-tank isn't necessary, but you have to weigh up the buffs provided by off-tank vs the extra DD.Edited by karma69 on October 31, 2017 4:14PM0 -
theamazingx✭✭✭✭Ahh well if this was really done with an afk boss, honesty is gonna be the best route for you guys. Don’t just deflect legitimate questions as “salt”.0
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Liko✭✭✭I've not seen many (if at all) bottom boss clears less than 10 minutes long, so to clear it in 8 minutes is obviously a big step towards getting this speed run achievement anyway. If this is the case, then the other two bosses are possibly being cleared faster than anyone else as of now too, exploit or no exploit. People seem to be forgetting that there are three separate bosses to kill, and to get anywhere near a 15 minute clear requires three solid strategies with great support to go with the DDs. One bug doesn't allow a given group that clears in 25 minutes to suddenly beat it within 15 minutes.3 -
DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭Nice, can't wait for this to be unplayable on consoleBrodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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ConnorWoods✭✭✭I admit, I am a bit surprised to see two tanks in a +0 run. When we tried +0 with two tanks, I (as the offtank) felt so useless--there wasn't really anything for me to do. We've since done +0 runs with 9 DPS and just one tank.
Do you feel that it's better to run with two tanks? And if so, any suggestions on what the OT should be doing? I kinda like the idea of two tanks, but I find it hard to justify the idea in +0.
@code65536 Yeh the off-tank role is kinda useless in this environment, only useful on the mini bosses when doing +0, you get that extra Warhorn and DDs don't die to basic mechanics. Our reason for taking an off-tank was to get quick results, the DPS is always there as long as we stayed alive, which is what the off-tank helped in doing. If the main-tank has a death when going for such achievements, the off-tank is useful. An off-tank isn't necessary, but you have to weigh up the buffs provided by off-tank vs the extra DD.
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We got that achievement on Llothis with just one tank; the tank took care of the adds while Llothis was left untanked.On Llothis you can get an achievement for not killing the adds if you run two tanks.
The tank can't really position him, his standard attacks aren't dangerous, and his most dangerous attacks are mechanics-based abilities that ignore taunt. We have Breach on him from Ele Drain and Fracture from a stam DK's breath, so all we're losing by not having a tank on him is Crusher and Alkosh. But I suppose if we could get really good uptime on Crusher and Alkosh, that would be somewhat similar to a 9th DPS.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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theamazingx✭✭✭✭I've not seen many (if at all) bottom boss clears less than 10 minutes long, so to clear it in 8 minutes is obviously a big step towards getting this speed run achievement anyway. If this is the case, then the other two bosses are possibly being cleared faster than anyone else as of now too, exploit or no exploit. People seem to be forgetting that there are three separate bosses to kill, and to get anywhere near a 15 minute clear requires three solid strategies with great support to go with the DDs. One bug doesn't allow a given group that clears in 25 minutes to suddenly beat it within 15 minutes.
Sure, it could have been considered as a single factor dwarfed by many others had it been made apparent from the beginning, but it wasn’t. Streisand effect and all that.0 -
Anne_Firehawk✭✭✭✭✭theamazingx wrote: »Ahh well if this was really done with an afk boss, honesty is gonna be the best route for you guys. Don’t just deflect legitimate questions as “salt”.
Why do you think the full video isn't linked?
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Felms isn't jumping or (I think) doing the steel tornado dealy, so he just kind of sits there and light attacks, making him a glorified punching bag.
The adds still spawn, and from what I understand he behaves in the fight with Olms.2 -
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@Xantaria In response to your removed comment: In case you haven't looked up the definition of exploit in the context of this topic then here it is: make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand. Source: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define:+exploit&oq=define:+exploit&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.2461j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
You log into the game in vSA and tell me what unfair advantage we had last night vs to what you have today? Nothing, it's the same exact environment. All we done was login and continued our aims and objectives we set from Saturday.
Players like you should feel a sense of responsibility, the end game community is small, just chill, every time your name appears somewhere its attached to some sort of negativity, maybe you should focus on yourself first before spreading your salt to others.
P.S - we kicked an application from the guild 2 weeks ago after it had come to our attention that he had done the double mundus exploit.
Edited by karma69 on October 31, 2017 5:43PM4 -
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Dont care if it's HODOR or anyone else. Remove Brag threads.10 -
modaretto✭✭✭
We got that achievement on Llothis with just one tank; the tank took care of the adds while Llothis was left untanked.On Llothis you can get an achievement for not killing the adds if you run two tanks.
The tank can't really position him, his standard attacks aren't dangerous, and his most dangerous attacks are mechanics-based abilities that ignore taunt. We have Breach on him from Ele Drain and Fracture from a stam DK's breath, so all we're losing by not having a tank on him is Crusher and Alkosh. But I suppose if we could get really good uptime on Crusher and Alkosh, that would be somewhat similar to a 9th DPS.
good comment, we do obsess a bit about uptimes, crusher especially but yeh sounds like a good method1 -
DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Remove Brag threads.
Dont care if it's HODOR or anyone else. Remove Brag threads.
You could just not click on them, you know. If someone is proud of an accomplishment, who cares if they post it. It literally has absolutely 0 affect on you.Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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ScottOfLibertalia✭✭✭✭Really great work guys! Disappointing to see so much negativity though. What exactly were they supposed to do, not run the trial at all this week or play through it slowly to make sure they didn’t get a speedrun? Absolute nonsense.
Congrats all, well done.Edited by ScottOfLibertalia on October 31, 2017 7:23PM5 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭Has +2 aka Hard Mode been completed yet? Gz on SpeedrunXbox NA - Oompa
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✭Really great work guys! Disappointing to see so much negativity though. What exactly were they supposed to do, not run the trial at all this week or play through it slowly to make sure they didn’t get a speedrun? Absolute nonsense.
Congrats all, well done.
It's funny though, because judging by their time (14:42) they would clearly not have made it without Felms being bugged.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ahh I see what happened here....
Dragons Crest exploited a bug with St. Felms to complete this speed run, and then posted their “accomplishment” here. Conveniently the entire segment of the video including the exploit is missing. Only the St. Olms fight is in the vid.
Based on how they are treating this, and their avoidance of posting a full vid, it’s extremely obvious they glitched St. Felms out. Amazing what some guilds will do to feel special
I’m sure ZOS can check on how fast thy killed St. Felms to tell if they exploited vAS for the speedrun achievement. Assuming this guild did glitch out St. Felms, which seems like the case as of this post and how quick you would need to kill St. Felms to accomplish this, it would be nice if ZOS actually punished these players. Imagine that thread
Edited by Vaoh on October 31, 2017 7:42PM9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So here’s a little analysis of their 14:42 time, 29/36 Vitality speedrun.....
The vid starts at 13sec - everyone is already inside the arena with St. Olms. Instead of being in the process of running straight to St. Olms and starting the fight, they seem to have waited probably 10sec or more getting ready. You don’t do this in speedruns especially when time is this tight like in vAS.
What matters is that St. Olms dies at 8:17, meaning they spent 8min & 4sec to kill St.Olms. There total time was 14min & 42sec.
This means that they managed to start the trial, run to the mini-bosses, kill both St. Felms and St. Llothis, and then run down to St. Olms and have everyone ready inside of the arena in 6 minutes and 38 seconds.
I’d love to see the full vid of that. ZOS probably would too.... certainly there are no exploits involved such as glitching St. Felms....6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If I am totally wrong about this guild abusing an exploit to complete their speedrun I apologize.
However, it’s extremely suspicious how quick they killed both St. Felms and St. Llothis before proceeding to St. Olms. None of you are posting full vids of your great accomplishment except this short segment that only shows St. Olms.
If you didn’t abuse the exploit then prove it
Otherwise it is very clear what has happened here. Surprised you would create a thread about it. 8
