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Should jumping during combat cost stamina?
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Jumping is the best way to smash the will of your opponent while shield stacking, it also generates some amazing threads.The Age of Wrobel.1 -
Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »jumping should cost stamina at all times, not just in combat.
That is how TES games are and it makes sense to be the same in a MMO that is based off the TES games.
A lot of things that make sense in a single player game do not make sense in a MMO.
And a lot of things do.1 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »jumping should cost stamina at all times, not just in combat.
That is how TES games are and it makes sense to be the same in a MMO that is based off the TES games.
A lot of things that make sense in a single player game do not make sense in a MMO.
And a lot of things do.
You are right. But jumping cost stamina doesnt.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭[xYeah falling down and touching the groung also should cost stamina even moving should cost stamina especially when You're using LoS as an adventage , that should cost even 3x more...
Basicly everything that doesnt allow groups full of scrubs kill You in a second should cost massive amount of resources ! You should stand in 1 place and let Yourself be killed or move and jump to drain out of all resources so You'll be punished for not letting Yourself to be killed to enemie group !
So a free stamina cost jump is the thing that allows you to kill groups full of scrubs instead of them killing you? This game is as simple as that?
I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .0 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »jumping should cost stamina at all times, not just in combat.
That is how TES games are and it makes sense to be the same in a MMO that is based off the TES games.
A lot of things that make sense in a single player game do not make sense in a MMO.
And a lot of things do.
Yes; just not because they are that way in the single player games. In fact, jumping doesn't cost stamina in Skyrim, incidentally the first major TES game without a jumping/acrobatics skill. Now what might that tell us...DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭
I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .
So how does jumping take you from being killed by scrubs like me to being able to kill us? The targeting isn't that difficult,
It may have a small impact, but nothing that drastic. how does jumping allow you to control a situation that you could not
otherwise control running and dodge-rolling through the players? Why is jumping through players more effective than that?
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Jawasa✭✭✭@Ranger209 jumping have nothing to do with Killing bad players. But bad players will blame anything like jumping for example when they lose.2
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Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭
I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .@Ranger209 jumping have nothing to do with Killing bad players. But bad players will blame anything like jumping for example when they lose.
Not according to Juhasow, apparently he/she uses it in a way for benefit. I am curious how it is more beneficial to jump
than to use other means of traveling through enemies. I am here to learn so me no scrub no more
Edited by Ranger209 on September 29, 2017 9:30PM0 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
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I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .@Ranger209 jumping have nothing to do with Killing bad players. But bad players will blame anything like jumping for example when they lose.
Not according to Juhasow, apparently he/she uses it in a way for benefit. I am curious how it is more beneficial to jump
than to use other means of traveling through enemies. I am here to learn so me no scrub no more
Because jumping has a hidden AoE taunt. People react differently then they normally would after you jump near them.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Barbaran✭✭✭✭emotes should also cost stamina.
how can someone possibly high elf dance for so long?0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
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I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .@Ranger209 jumping have nothing to do with Killing bad players. But bad players will blame anything like jumping for example when they lose.
Not according to Juhasow, apparently he/she uses it in a way for benefit. I am curious how it is more beneficial to jump
than to use other means of traveling through enemies. I am here to learn so me no scrub no more
Well if You think differently then why You want jumping to cost stamina ?
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Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭
I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .@Ranger209 jumping have nothing to do with Killing bad players. But bad players will blame anything like jumping for example when they lose.
Not according to Juhasow, apparently he/she uses it in a way for benefit. I am curious how it is more beneficial to jump
than to use other means of traveling through enemies. I am here to learn so me no scrub no more
Well if You think differently then why You want jumping to cost stamina ?
I don't think differently, but I am curious as to what makes it more beneficial than roll dodge and sprint.0 -
Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭Heck, may as well be realistic then and make it so swinging heavy attacks cost stamina instead of restoring it since in reality it does. Also make it so every heavy attack done with a stamina type weapon has successive stamina cost increases such as 1st heavy attack with a 2H Sword cost 2K stamina, if next 2H heavy attack occurs within 3 seconds cost is 4K stamina and so on. This would be very realistic and the fights would end quickly. Can adjust this with a new CP tree item called "Muscle Mass" or something similar. The more CP you put in Muscle Mass the more stamina you have available to swing those heavy weapons in heavy attacks.
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RoamingRiverElk✭✭✭✭✭By the way, it's not just sorcerers who do this, it is also 1h+shield users who have been Xv1'd for some time and are starting to be close to dying.Dalris Aalr - Magicka (Stamina) DK | Dalfish - Magicka Sorc | Dal Aalr - Magicka Warden | Dalrish - Mag/Stam NB | Irana Aalr - PvE Templar0 -
Elrond87✭✭✭wouldn't mind seeing less players jumping around like kangaroos in pvpPC|EU
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭RoamingRiverElk wrote: »By the way, it's not just sorcerers who do this, it is also 1h+shield users who have been Xv1'd for some time and are starting to be close to dying.
It's the mating call of the lone tank build seeking a Templar pocket-healer for a long term relationship. Isn't nature just beautiful?
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't do it, I think it's silly, and I do not believe it should cost Stam.
I also shudder at the idea of getting stuck behind a boulder and having to wait for my Stam to Regen0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
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I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .@Ranger209 jumping have nothing to do with Killing bad players. But bad players will blame anything like jumping for example when they lose.
Not according to Juhasow, apparently he/she uses it in a way for benefit. I am curious how it is more beneficial to jump
than to use other means of traveling through enemies. I am here to learn so me no scrub no more
Well if You think differently then why You want jumping to cost stamina ?
I don't think differently, but I am curious as to what makes it more beneficial than roll dodge and sprint.
You know what when You do it right Also i never said it's more benefical then roll dodge/sprint. Edited by Juhasow on October 3, 2017 12:16AM0 -
Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭
You know what when You do it right Also i never said it's more benefical then roll dodge/sprint.
Aren't you trying to always do the most beneficial thing at any given time? If it is not more beneficial then why
would you not dodge/sprint through them if that in fact is more beneficial? Sounds like you are gimping yourself
by jumping, but I know that you are not. What ever IT is when it happens must have benefits at the time that
outweigh dodge/sprint.
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itscompton✭✭✭✭✭
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You know by pointing out how important this mechanic is to you in winning these fights you're actually making the case for the opposition argument right? I started reading this thread without much of an opinion but what you've written makes me think that maybe if jumping is an effective method of damage reduction on par with dodge rolling or blocking perhaps it should cost stamina like they do.[xYeah falling down and touching the groung also should cost stamina even moving should cost stamina especially when You're using LoS as an adventage , that should cost even 3x more...
Basicly everything that doesnt allow groups full of scrubs kill You in a second should cost massive amount of resources ! You should stand in 1 place and let Yourself be killed or move and jump to drain out of all resources so You'll be punished for not letting Yourself to be killed to enemie group !
So a free stamina cost jump is the thing that allows you to kill groups full of scrubs instead of them killing you? This game is as simple as that?
I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »jumping should cost stamina at all times, not just in combat.
That is how TES games are and it makes sense to be the same in a MMO that is based off the TES games.
A lot of things that make sense in a single player game do not make sense in a MMO.
And a lot of things do.
Which doesn't mean this makes sense.0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Then we also need to add these stats:
And remove combat from the game because some people dont like agressive games.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Bhaal5✭✭✭✭✭
✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »Then we also need to add these stats:
And remove combat from the game because some people dont like agressive games.
Lol, well they did add house? So you never know0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭itscompton wrote: »
You know by pointing out how important this mechanic is to you in winning these fights you're actually making the case for the opposition argument right? I started reading this thread without much of an opinion but what you've written makes me think that maybe if jumping is an effective method of damage reduction on par with dodge rolling or blocking perhaps it should cost stamina like they do.[xYeah falling down and touching the groung also should cost stamina even moving should cost stamina especially when You're using LoS as an adventage , that should cost even 3x more...
Basicly everything that doesnt allow groups full of scrubs kill You in a second should cost massive amount of resources ! You should stand in 1 place and let Yourself be killed or move and jump to drain out of all resources so You'll be punished for not letting Yourself to be killed to enemie group !
So a free stamina cost jump is the thing that allows you to kill groups full of scrubs instead of them killing you? This game is as simple as that?
I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .
Except blocking have dmg reduction , dodging have 100% dodge chance and remove immobilizes when jumping have no effect build to it. You cant fail in blocking or dodging but incorrect jumping around may even cause opposite results then You want.Edited by Juhasow on October 29, 2017 2:53PM0 -
Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well heck! Everything physical in game should cost Stamina. Light attack with 1H weapon: 1K, 2H weapon Heavy attack, 4K. Walking 0.5K per second. Mounting Horse: 2K. Climbing hills: 3K. And on and on! Let's make this game REALISTIC!
Woo hoo! Oh, and Jumping: 10K per jump! Now we are talking!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bitter defence in this thread from those that 'know' the secretXbox One | EU | EP
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BroanBeast1215✭✭✭itscompton wrote: »
You know by pointing out how important this mechanic is to you in winning these fights you're actually making the case for the opposition argument right? I started reading this thread without much of an opinion but what you've written makes me think that maybe if jumping is an effective method of damage reduction on par with dodge rolling or blocking perhaps it should cost stamina like they do.[xYeah falling down and touching the groung also should cost stamina even moving should cost stamina especially when You're using LoS as an adventage , that should cost even 3x more...
Basicly everything that doesnt allow groups full of scrubs kill You in a second should cost massive amount of resources ! You should stand in 1 place and let Yourself be killed or move and jump to drain out of all resources so You'll be punished for not letting Yourself to be killed to enemie group !
So a free stamina cost jump is the thing that allows you to kill groups full of scrubs instead of them killing you? This game is as simple as that?
I know most of scrubs cry when people jump around them because they have issues with targeting them. Yes there are 1vx scenarios where jumping around totally brainless scrubs helps to win. I think You're one of these people who cant hit enemies jumping around You tbh. Also if You think that jumping is so simple then You should try it. Try to jump through enemies while also using other abilities and controlling situation .
lol you're trolling, right?0 -
Valderis✭✭It should cost Magicka.
Running, Blocking, Dodge Rolling, Break-Free all cost Stamina.
Falling costs Health.
Jumping should cost Magicka.
Take that, you filthy caster!
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