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Monster Helm for Ranger

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I'm wondering what's the best helm set for a ranger build.

Preferably offensive oriented, bloodspawn is a great choice I know, but what about offensive?

I don't have access to enough DoTs (imo) to justify Skoria.

I've tried Selitrix, Veli, and Kena. Any suggestions?
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  • SodanTok
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    PVE? Veli (maybe mephala)
    PVP? Skoria

    Then trollking/bloodspawn. If you cant justify either it is not worth using any other.

    //edit:
    for the record, I have been trying to use offensive monster set on stamina ranged build both in PVE and PVP for past 2 years and simply nothing is worth it, except Skoria with enough DoTs (in PVP)
    Edited by SodanTok on October 25, 2017 6:32PM
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  • Waffennacht
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    SodanTok wrote: »
    PVE? Veli (maybe mephala)
    PVP? Skoria

    Then trollking/bloodspawn. If you cant justify either it is not worth using any other.

    //edit:
    for the record, I have been trying to use offensive monster set on stamina ranged build both in PVE and PVP for past 2 years and simply nothing is worth it, except Skoria with enough DoTs (in PVP)

    Kinda the feeling I'm getting...

    I'll test veli a bit more...

    If not, hrm, got an extra slot... Which then messes up sets (seeing as I won't be able to just slap a vMA weapon there)

    PvP fyi, I'm also staying away from Crit Rush Shalk build.

    I know ranger is like the worst ATM, but I'm sticking with it
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  • Minno
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    1pc kra'gh 1pc kena/pirate.
    Bow users don't have the initial penetration like LA staff users get from both their weapon line+ armor.

    You could roll mephalia
    2 items) When you deal damage with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you create a web for 10 seconds that deals 1096 Poison Damage every 1 second and reduces the Movement Speed of enemies within by 50%. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.


    Maybe not the best consistency. Slimecraw is good.
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  • ManDraKE
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    2 slimecraw if you are not a nigthblade. 1kena+1velidreth if you are a NB.
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    Minno wrote: »
    1pc kra'gh 1pc kena/pirate.
    Bow users don't have the initial penetration like LA staff users get from both their weapon line+ armor.

    You could roll mephalia
    2 items) When you deal damage with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you create a web for 10 seconds that deals 1096 Poison Damage every 1 second and reduces the Movement Speed of enemies within by 50%. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.


    Maybe not the best consistency. Slimecraw is good.

    Ty! Slimecraw is a brilliant idea. Also I was wondering about penetration...

    So @Minno any more ideas? Anyone?

    I'm getting some great info

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    ManDraKE wrote: »
    2 slimecraw if you are not a nigthblade. 1kena+1velidreth if you are a NB.

    Ty! Yeah, great things!

    Real quick ideas on Penetration?
    Edited by Waffennacht on October 25, 2017 6:58PM
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  • Waffennacht
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    If I run Bird O Prey, what other ideas?
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  • Minno
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    If I run Bird O Prey, what other ideas?

    If you run BoP, definitely roll sharp+1pc kra'gh. Then add whatever you want.

    Bow penetration is annoying; you give up to much DMG to try to get 10k pen other builds get for farting. After sharp+1pc kra'gh, keep WD mundas and trying to get minor fracture. Good news bow gives you good crit chance, roll MA for dodge passive and shuffle snare removal.

    Do wardens have a reflect? What about ranged debuffs?
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  • Minno
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    You can also go 5pc cowards for your Regen/defense. S+b backbar.

    Edit: you can get major expedition with BoP, I forgot.
    Edited by Minno on October 25, 2017 7:09PM
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  • Minno
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    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.
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  • Waffennacht
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    Minno wrote: »
    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.

    Good info! Crusher enchantments... Infused?

    Also, nirn vs sharp on bow?

    Leaning now towards x1/x1 monster. Gonna math it up
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  • Minno
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    Villian
    Minno wrote: »
    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.

    Good info! Crusher enchantments... Infused?

    Also, nirn vs sharp on bow?

    Leaning now towards x1/x1 monster. Gonna math it up

    Maybe master bow?
    I hate huge RNG gear so I never build for them.

    I used sharpened. In my build I also used pen mundas.
    You can also use poisons (might be created and proc more)
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  • ManDraKE
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    Minno wrote: »
    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.

    don't want to sound rude, but that builds is really bad.
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    ManDraKE wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.

    don't want to sound rude, but that builds is really bad.

    Either way it has ideas! Never lose out on some info just because the source may not be optimised!
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  • Minno
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    ManDraKE wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.

    don't want to sound rude, but that builds is really bad.

    Can't be rude if I said I never tested it lol.
    I think when I made it it was to test how to get penetration on bow.

    But otherwise take it as it is; just giving waff ideas to try.
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  • ManDraKE
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    Minno wrote: »
    ManDraKE wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.

    don't want to sound rude, but that builds is really bad.

    Can't be rude if I said I never tested it lol.
    I think when I made it it was to test how to get penetration on bow.

    But otherwise take it as it is; just giving waff ideas to try.
    ManDraKE wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.

    don't want to sound rude, but that builds is really bad.

    Either way it has ideas! Never lose out on some info just because the source may not be optimised!

    Is not about optimization, the choice of sets is really bad. Stacking penetration on PvP is not as effective as in PvE, any magika player with a damage shield will negate all your penetration, it will be almost imposible to kill it with that build. For PvP is better to stack on weapon damage, not only is effective vs all kind of targets, it also boost your heals (key aspect for PvP, if you vigor and rally dosn't heal for ***, you die very quick, specially on medium armor)
  • Waffennacht
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    @ManDraKE I have very little (if any) penetration ATM and I feel like I'm missing out.

    I.e. faced many opponent's that my 15k tooltip would crit for 6k.

    I feel like I need to up my penetration, so when it does land it deals a good amount of damage.

    So, quite frankly, thinking 100% use of penetration would be better than a semi useful armor set

    Your opinions?
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  • Minno
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    ManDraKE wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    ManDraKE wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.

    don't want to sound rude, but that builds is really bad.

    Can't be rude if I said I never tested it lol.
    I think when I made it it was to test how to get penetration on bow.

    But otherwise take it as it is; just giving waff ideas to try.
    ManDraKE wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    And I had an experimental bow build:
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=27752

    Not sure if it works.

    don't want to sound rude, but that builds is really bad.

    Either way it has ideas! Never lose out on some info just because the source may not be optimised!

    Is not about optimization, the choice of sets is really bad. Stacking penetration on PvP is not as effective as in PvE, any magika player with a damage shield will negate all your penetration, it will be almost imposible to kill it with that build. For PvP is better to stack on weapon damage, not only is effective vs all kind of targets, it also boost your heals (key aspect for PvP, if you vigor and rally dosn't heal for ***, you die very quick, specially on medium armor)

    If you have the CC, doesn't matter what you do on the shield because you'll be hitting them to stop them from recasting right before you want your burst to hit.

    Yes you are right, DMG is probably better because it boosts your offense and heals. I think waff is alot better than I am to determine how much DMG his build needs versus penetration. I think I mentioned bow suffers from lack of penetration sources but it also suffers from lack of DMG.

    And I mostly do non-meta sets. If some suck after testing, I start away. But I'd rather look for interesting ways to play than do the usual builds. If it sucks, oh well at least I tried :).

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  • SodanTok
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    Better to go 5/5/1 than 5/4/2 if you dont want to use skoria and want to go for offensive way (so no BS).

    Master bow obv BiS if going ranged (tho even I dont have it after ~2years of playing the game, hopefully CWC revives interest for dsa)

    Trait does not matter. I prefer infused with disease (for defile), but sharpened and nirn work great too. Personally I would go nirn if I had at least 7k pen from other sources. Your heals are already weaker by choosing bow (~400 less weapon damage than 2h when buffed, lul)

    S/B backbar 100% on warden

    Sets all about weapon damage and sustain (tho some proc sets like sheer venom can work). There are no good penetration sets imo (3500 from spriggan is too weak).

    Dubious food obv. It is the bosmer food both by name and function. Which moves the point to race. Bosmer, bosmer and only bosmer. Bow heavy attacks are horrible both for damage and for sustain. Punishing bow in pve and pvp. So everything to regen.

    //edit
    As for combat output, cant say for xbox. My ranged waren is limited to 10m range for draining shot + sub assault + dawnbreaker combo. Impossible to use snipe as long as Miat addon exists.

    tl;dr You will be child of destro magwarden and 2h stamwarden. Weaker than both, yet still capable of great things :D
    Edited by SodanTok on October 25, 2017 8:46PM
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  • Minno
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    SodanTok wrote: »
    Better to go 5/5/1 than 5/4/2 if you dont want to use skoria and want to go for offensive way (so no BS).

    Master bow obv BiS if going ranged (tho even I dont have it after ~2years of playing the game, hopefully CWC revives interest for dsa)

    Trait does not matter. I prefer infused with disease (for defile), but sharpened and nirn work great too. Personally I would go nirn if I had at least 7k pen from other sources. Your heals are already weaker by choosing bow (~400 less weapon damage than 2h when buffed, lul)

    S/B backbar 100% on warden

    Sets all about weapon damage and sustain (tho some proc sets like sheer venom can work). There are no good penetration sets imo (3500 from spriggan is too weak).

    Dubious food obv. It is the bosmer food both by name and function. Which moves the point to race. Bosmer, bosmer and only bosmer. Bow heavy attacks are horrible both for damage and for sustain. Punishing bow in pve and pvp. So everything to regen.

    //edit
    As for combat output, cant say for xbox. My ranged waren is limited to 10m range for draining shot + sub assault + dawnbreaker combo. Impossible to use snipe as long as Miat addon exists.

    Backbar crit rush to help land bugs+get into draining range?
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  • SodanTok
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    Minno wrote: »
    SodanTok wrote: »
    Better to go 5/5/1 than 5/4/2 if you dont want to use skoria and want to go for offensive way (so no BS).

    Master bow obv BiS if going ranged (tho even I dont have it after ~2years of playing the game, hopefully CWC revives interest for dsa)

    Trait does not matter. I prefer infused with disease (for defile), but sharpened and nirn work great too. Personally I would go nirn if I had at least 7k pen from other sources. Your heals are already weaker by choosing bow (~400 less weapon damage than 2h when buffed, lul)

    S/B backbar 100% on warden

    Sets all about weapon damage and sustain (tho some proc sets like sheer venom can work). There are no good penetration sets imo (3500 from spriggan is too weak).

    Dubious food obv. It is the bosmer food both by name and function. Which moves the point to race. Bosmer, bosmer and only bosmer. Bow heavy attacks are horrible both for damage and for sustain. Punishing bow in pve and pvp. So everything to regen.

    //edit
    As for combat output, cant say for xbox. My ranged waren is limited to 10m range for draining shot + sub assault + dawnbreaker combo. Impossible to use snipe as long as Miat addon exists.

    Backbar crit rush to help land bugs+get into draining range?

    Thats the trick, you dont need it. People come to you and people cant run away from you (well, stam sorc orcs and magsorcs can) plus nobody really wants to run away from you. You have bow in your main hand, nobody but some newbies is going to run scared seeing you and once they are in your range they will never leave because Major Expedition on demand, medium armor speed on demand and personal cherry on top - wind running from CP
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  • Metemsycosis
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    @ManDraKE I have very little (if any) penetration ATM and I feel like I'm missing out.

    I.e. faced many opponent's that my 15k tooltip would crit for 6k.

    I feel like I need to up my penetration, so when it does land it deals a good amount of damage.

    So, quite frankly, thinking 100% use of penetration would be better than a semi useful armor set

    Your opinions?

    I found that a little penetration on the bow does in fact go a long way. Are you using spriggans? focus aim? Add 3-3.5 more thru cp or mundus. There is always radiant magelight, infused beserker glyph on bow bar, slimecraw, and marksman to up bow damage.

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  • Minno
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    SodanTok wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    SodanTok wrote: »
    Better to go 5/5/1 than 5/4/2 if you dont want to use skoria and want to go for offensive way (so no BS).

    Master bow obv BiS if going ranged (tho even I dont have it after ~2years of playing the game, hopefully CWC revives interest for dsa)

    Trait does not matter. I prefer infused with disease (for defile), but sharpened and nirn work great too. Personally I would go nirn if I had at least 7k pen from other sources. Your heals are already weaker by choosing bow (~400 less weapon damage than 2h when buffed, lul)

    S/B backbar 100% on warden

    Sets all about weapon damage and sustain (tho some proc sets like sheer venom can work). There are no good penetration sets imo (3500 from spriggan is too weak).

    Dubious food obv. It is the bosmer food both by name and function. Which moves the point to race. Bosmer, bosmer and only bosmer. Bow heavy attacks are horrible both for damage and for sustain. Punishing bow in pve and pvp. So everything to regen.

    //edit
    As for combat output, cant say for xbox. My ranged waren is limited to 10m range for draining shot + sub assault + dawnbreaker combo. Impossible to use snipe as long as Miat addon exists.

    Backbar crit rush to help land bugs+get into draining range?

    Thats the trick, you dont need it. People come to you and people cant run away from you (well, stam sorc orcs and magsorcs can) plus nobody really wants to run away from you. You have bow in your main hand, nobody but some newbies is going to run scared seeing you and once they are in your range they will never leave because Major Expedition on demand, medium armor speed on demand and personal cherry on top - wind running from CP

    Ah ok I misread. I thought you meant the 10m range as a negative but you mention it as a positive!

    I agree, for warden, ME is enough mobility to deslot a gap closer.
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  • SodanTok
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    Minno wrote: »
    SodanTok wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    SodanTok wrote: »
    Better to go 5/5/1 than 5/4/2 if you dont want to use skoria and want to go for offensive way (so no BS).

    Master bow obv BiS if going ranged (tho even I dont have it after ~2years of playing the game, hopefully CWC revives interest for dsa)

    Trait does not matter. I prefer infused with disease (for defile), but sharpened and nirn work great too. Personally I would go nirn if I had at least 7k pen from other sources. Your heals are already weaker by choosing bow (~400 less weapon damage than 2h when buffed, lul)

    S/B backbar 100% on warden

    Sets all about weapon damage and sustain (tho some proc sets like sheer venom can work). There are no good penetration sets imo (3500 from spriggan is too weak).

    Dubious food obv. It is the bosmer food both by name and function. Which moves the point to race. Bosmer, bosmer and only bosmer. Bow heavy attacks are horrible both for damage and for sustain. Punishing bow in pve and pvp. So everything to regen.

    //edit
    As for combat output, cant say for xbox. My ranged waren is limited to 10m range for draining shot + sub assault + dawnbreaker combo. Impossible to use snipe as long as Miat addon exists.

    Backbar crit rush to help land bugs+get into draining range?

    Thats the trick, you dont need it. People come to you and people cant run away from you (well, stam sorc orcs and magsorcs can) plus nobody really wants to run away from you. You have bow in your main hand, nobody but some newbies is going to run scared seeing you and once they are in your range they will never leave because Major Expedition on demand, medium armor speed on demand and personal cherry on top - wind running from CP

    Ah ok I misread. I thought you meant the 10m range as a negative but you mention it as a positive!

    I agree, for warden, ME is enough mobility to deslot a gap closer.

    It is negative for all possible ways to build ranger, except sub assault warden
    Edited by SodanTok on October 25, 2017 9:49PM
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    Run slime, then you don't need bird of prey
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  • Solariken
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    Honestly my best bow build (Stamplar) is using Bone Pirate / Blood Spawn / Agility. I've tried just about everything but keep coming back to the classics.

    Morag Tong + Sheer Venom + 2x dmg poison is also really strong and fun.

    You'd think ZOS would start making some fun bow-oriented sets that don't suck...
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