Vimora wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

I hate kids

I didn't think my loathing of the youth would be relevant when playing an 18+ mmo...

A kid (of 13!) has recently joined our guild. He joins every trial, every party, every conversation. He's not the only one, they're everywhere.

Do other adults get frustrated with the presence of kids in ESO or am I particularly intolerant?

Reframe the issue,
you are an adult, and the potential for a positive influence,
for an individual in a setting where they actively want to be
you have more of an opportunity to reach them with a positive message
than most of the adults 'forced' to deal with them in their day-to-day life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU

Opted for medical sterilization so as to avoid the possibility of having kids of my own
potentially hate children more than you

Except that it's not her job. People come here to unwind and play, not to tutor others.

This kind of applies to life in general, not specifically video games, but this whole "Not my job/responsibility" mentality is an issue in the world. Bystander effect, herd mentality, a good number of people grow up having things handed to them, watching the world operate without their input, and end up with the idea that "somebody else will do that".

We're all part of the same world, somebody should step up and invest in it if they intend on leaving the world a better place.

We're individuals, yes. We're also one big old village.

These children inherit the world in a generation or two, when we might be dead. Mine hasn't even done that yet. Think about it.

It's not your job, but people should aspire to more than what falls under their personal sphere, for their sake and their beneficiaries.

Well, as a mom, I wouldn't let my kids play ESO. Not because of anything in the game being "too much" but because there is always that feeling of I have to do this thing and then this thing and it goes on forever. I don't want them wrapped up in a game that much, and kids are more likely to do just that. And, I don't want weird adults speaking to my kids. Not that any of you are weird, love you all, but some people should not be allowed to interact with kids. I really don't want to have to worry about if some idiot is speaking inappropriately to one of my daughters in particular. I would have to murder their face, and I don't want to get all mad and hire in game hit squads etc because someone enraged my momma bear side.

Also, this is my kid free time. I don't want to parent when I am in ESO, if I know there are actual kids around, then I'm going to feel like I have to parent to some degree.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm disappointed there wasn't a pic of a bear in this

@Waffennacht

Clearly, this is the appropriate image now, @DocFrost72.

starkerealm wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm disappointed there wasn't a pic of a bear in this

@Waffennacht

Clearly, this is the appropriate image now, @DocFrost72.

Keep looking at this and end up imagining it having an extra pair of eyes
and being the ESO Confession Welwa

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

I hate kids

I didn't think my loathing of the youth would be relevant when playing an 18+ mmo...

A kid (of 13!) has recently joined our guild. He joins every trial, every party, every conversation. He's not the only one, they're everywhere.

Do other adults get frustrated with the presence of kids in ESO or am I particularly intolerant?

Reframe the issue,
you are an adult, and the potential for a positive influence,
for an individual in a setting where they actively want to be
you have more of an opportunity to reach them with a positive message
than most of the adults 'forced' to deal with them in their day-to-day life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU

Opted for medical sterilization so as to avoid the possibility of having kids of my own
potentially hate children more than you

Except that it's not her job. People come here to unwind and play, not to tutor others.

This kind of applies to life in general, not specifically video games, but this whole "Not my job/responsibility" mentality is an issue in the world. Bystander effect, herd mentality, a good number of people grow up having things handed to them, watching the world operate without their input, and end up with the idea that "somebody else will do that".

We're all part of the same world, somebody should step up and invest in it if they intend on leaving the world a better place.

We're individuals, yes. We're also one big old village.

These children inherit the world in a generation or two, when we might be dead. Mine hasn't even done that yet. Think about it.

It's not your job, but people should aspire to more than what falls under their personal sphere, for their sake and their beneficiaries.

Fair point. Let me rephrase what I said. Parents today DON'T care enough to raise a decent human being that will have a chance at having a good life. You send your kids into a random kindergarten, where they will be watched over and impressed by random people you don't know anything about. Then, you send your kids to the closest public school, where they will be tutored and taught by bitter people, who don't feel good about themselves and don't shy away from putting it all out on kids in various ways, known as public school teachers. You don't care who your kids hang out with, that they play games that are known to be full of the worst kind of immature adults, who basically don't know what to do with their lives and waste it in video games.

But sure, a random stranger, like me, can suddenly make all of this right, if only I could approach your kid the right way. Is that it?

I have to say, this is my very first MMO, I play in a group since August this year, I'm 34 year's old/young. I was thinking that I would be old compared to other players. Now, being in 5 guilds with around 2000 members together I feel young, the average age on PC NA is mid to end 40s that said, I know a lot of players who are 60 and older know. I find a lot of diehard ESO fans, myself included, in this game

Someone else here eluded to the PC having more adult players, unfortunately, I'm on console, and I get the impression we have a larger pool of under 18s

Myyth wrote: »

I only dislike seeing young kids playing because there are so many other more beneficial things that 13 year olds should be doing besides sitting on their [snip] playing video games all day. We have so many overweight kids nowadays. Plus these games are designed to be addictive with kids lacking the skills to not be more susceptible.

/old man rant off

Isn’t there some snowflake rally you should be attending, rather than playing these “horrible, addicting, world ending cause creating” video games?

[Edited for quote]

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

Depends how they behave. Most are really no problem at all. Some are a pain.

Same with the adult population, really.

I find this 'don't single out the kids, idiots are idiots, child or adult' argument is odd. I mean, you're not wrong, but...

If age is so irrelevant why don't adults choose to socialise with kids irl?

its because of recent stuff to do with child molesters and what not. my dads best childhood friend was 20 years old and he was ten.there still good friends today.the person I thought was my best friend when I was 15 had to stop talking to me because I was 15 and apparently your not "allowed" to be best mates with your teacher.

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

I hate kids

I didn't think my loathing of the youth would be relevant when playing an 18+ mmo...

A kid (of 13!) has recently joined our guild. He joins every trial, every party, every conversation. He's not the only one, they're everywhere.

Do other adults get frustrated with the presence of kids in ESO or am I particularly intolerant?

My biggest issue with kids these days is that they dont seem to have learned the same boundries / social skills we learned as kids. But then again, in our days (I feel really old now lol) there werent any MMO's or internet. Let alone computers.

Vimora wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

I hate kids

I didn't think my loathing of the youth would be relevant when playing an 18+ mmo...

A kid (of 13!) has recently joined our guild. He joins every trial, every party, every conversation. He's not the only one, they're everywhere.

Do other adults get frustrated with the presence of kids in ESO or am I particularly intolerant?

Reframe the issue,
you are an adult, and the potential for a positive influence,
for an individual in a setting where they actively want to be
you have more of an opportunity to reach them with a positive message
than most of the adults 'forced' to deal with them in their day-to-day life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU

Opted for medical sterilization so as to avoid the possibility of having kids of my own
potentially hate children more than you

Except that it's not her job. People come here to unwind and play, not to tutor others.

This kind of applies to life in general, not specifically video games, but this whole "Not my job/responsibility" mentality is an issue in the world. Bystander effect, herd mentality, a good number of people grow up having things handed to them, watching the world operate without their input, and end up with the idea that "somebody else will do that".

We're all part of the same world, somebody should step up and invest in it if they intend on leaving the world a better place.

We're individuals, yes. We're also one big old village.

These children inherit the world in a generation or two, when we might be dead. Mine hasn't even done that yet. Think about it.

It's not your job, but people should aspire to more than what falls under their personal sphere, for their sake and their beneficiaries.

Fair point. Let me rephrase what I said. Parents today DON'T care enough to raise a decent human being that will have a chance at having a good life. You send your kids into a random kindergarten, where they will be watched over and impressed by random people you don't know anything about. Then, you send your kids to the closest public school, where they will be tutored and taught by bitter people, who don't feel good about themselves and don't shy away from putting it all out on kids in various ways, known as public school teachers. You don't care who your kids hang out with, that they play games that are known to be full of the worst kind of immature adults, who basically don't know what to do with their lives and waste it in video games.

But sure, a random stranger, like me, can suddenly make all of this right, if only I could approach your kid the right way. Is that it?

I think you'll want to re phrase that again I'm 27 With a son of 4 and I very much care about raising him to be a valued and contributing member of our society. He was taught the fundamental values of right and wrong and manners from 1 years old. so to come out and say that Parents today do not care about raising a decent human being is flat out WRONG!

My son indeed goes to a public school but I have a report on his learning activities and what he needs to improve on so I can help him upon his return home. After my son has finished his day I jump on to ESO for some "ME" time. In this time I play ESO to unwind and have social interactions with like minded peers. I don't come on to have to mentor other children I'll throw out the odd piece of advice if it comes to in game mechanics but that is about all.

Again I have no objections to Under 18's playing ESO and as long as their parents monitor their playtime I think ESO could do wonders for their imagination however I personally try to avoid guilds that have under 18's because Its some " ME " time and I'd actually prefer to have more mature social conversations.

If they act mature, there's no issue.
If they act like ESO is their high school cafeteria and start bullying people and acting like jerks, then there's a problem.

quake89 wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

I hate kids

I didn't think my loathing of the youth would be relevant when playing an 18+ mmo...

A kid (of 13!) has recently joined our guild. He joins every trial, every party, every conversation. He's not the only one, they're everywhere.

Do other adults get frustrated with the presence of kids in ESO or am I particularly intolerant?

Reframe the issue,
you are an adult, and the potential for a positive influence,
for an individual in a setting where they actively want to be
you have more of an opportunity to reach them with a positive message
than most of the adults 'forced' to deal with them in their day-to-day life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU

Opted for medical sterilization so as to avoid the possibility of having kids of my own
potentially hate children more than you

Except that it's not her job. People come here to unwind and play, not to tutor others.

This kind of applies to life in general, not specifically video games, but this whole "Not my job/responsibility" mentality is an issue in the world. Bystander effect, herd mentality, a good number of people grow up having things handed to them, watching the world operate without their input, and end up with the idea that "somebody else will do that".

We're all part of the same world, somebody should step up and invest in it if they intend on leaving the world a better place.

We're individuals, yes. We're also one big old village.

These children inherit the world in a generation or two, when we might be dead. Mine hasn't even done that yet. Think about it.

It's not your job, but people should aspire to more than what falls under their personal sphere, for their sake and their beneficiaries.

Fair point. Let me rephrase what I said. Parents today DON'T care enough to raise a decent human being that will have a chance at having a good life. You send your kids into a random kindergarten, where they will be watched over and impressed by random people you don't know anything about. Then, you send your kids to the closest public school, where they will be tutored and taught by bitter people, who don't feel good about themselves and don't shy away from putting it all out on kids in various ways, known as public school teachers. You don't care who your kids hang out with, that they play games that are known to be full of the worst kind of immature adults, who basically don't know what to do with their lives and waste it in video games.

But sure, a random stranger, like me, can suddenly make all of this right, if only I could approach your kid the right way. Is that it?

I think you'll want to re phrase that again I'm 27 With a son of 4 and I very much care about raising him to be a valued and contributing member of our society. He was taught the fundamental values of right and wrong and manners from 1 years old. so to come out and say that Parents today do not care about raising a decent human being is flat out WRONG!

My son indeed goes to a public school but I have a report on his learning activities and what he needs to improve on so I can help him upon his return home. After my son has finished his day I jump on to ESO for some "ME" time. In this time I play ESO to unwind and have social interactions with like minded peers. I don't come on to have to mentor other children I'll throw out the odd piece of advice if it comes to in game mechanics but that is about all.

Again I have no objections to Under 18's playing ESO and as long as their parents monitor their playtime I think ESO could do wonders for their imagination however I personally try to avoid guilds that have under 18's because Its some " ME " time and I'd actually prefer to have more mature social conversations.

I apologize if I offended you. Obviously, my post is not true of everyone.

I live next to a kindergarten. My appartment window has a view of their entire yard where the kids are playing. Let me tell you this is the most fabulous place I've ever lived in. When I bought it I didn't make much of the kindergarten, but the kids are outside every day making this hell of a pandemonium, which gets more amplified the higher you live in the building. But it's good noise. It's invigorating. The kids are extremely cute. I paid extra for this place because I wanted to move fast and I never regretted it for a second.

On the other side, I also have the "pleasure" of sometimes witnessing how some of the staff treat the kids, how a lot of parents who come to take them home treat them, a lot of the ignorance and bad parenting that's going on, because they didn't want kids in the first place, or it turned out it's not for them, or they are simply just too engrossed in their own lives that the thought they have a responsibility here doesn't even cross their minds, or they are simply just bad people.

So I get that I, too, have a responsibility towards all the children in the world I happen to interact with, I just don't see how, on a practical level, when I'm dealing with obnoxious, selfish, entitled brats in-game I know nothing about, I could fight all of their background and somehow make a difference through a computer screen, where the only thing people care about is what is BiS and who has the highest dps. It's because everyone is here for that "ME" time, not to descipline others, not to be talked down to or pitied, and certainly not to be lectured by others.

Anyway, I think I discussed this at length on a forum that might not even be appropriate for such a discussion, so let me shut up now.

M1SH3LL3 wrote: »

@Khenarthi
Can I enquire if you play on PC or console?

PC EU. I'm 35, I meet some people who are older or younger but even the younger ones seem to be at least 20.