ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHINGInterview With Miat Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A

DDuke · October 2017

Rickter wrote: »

as of right now, Miat's addon was reviewed by ZOS about a year ago when it was alerting people to stealthed enemy players. that feature was removed the other features remained. it is very much like the pvp version of raid notifier.

with that being said, no its not considered a cheat or an exploit. there is a serious moral grey area concerning this addon with people on both sides of the fence and unfortunately the sole determination is up to ZOS.

whether you use the addon or not, unless otherwise stated by ZOS, its not bannable and wont jeopardize your account standing with ZOS. Opinions aside, this is the objective stance on this addon and its usage.

Sharpened Maces exploit, Double Mundus exploit, teleporting into enemy keeps exploit... all done by players without any risk of getting banned.

How is this time any different?

Flaws/bugs in the game's code (API code this time) are being abused, just as flaws/bugs were abused with the abovementioned exploits.

The objective stance would be considering this addon with similar parameters in mind and calling things what they are.

Rickter · October 2017

DDuke wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

as of right now, Miat's addon was reviewed by ZOS about a year ago when it was alerting people to stealthed enemy players. that feature was removed the other features remained. it is very much like the pvp version of raid notifier.

with that being said, no its not considered a cheat or an exploit. there is a serious moral grey area concerning this addon with people on both sides of the fence and unfortunately the sole determination is up to ZOS.

whether you use the addon or not, unless otherwise stated by ZOS, its not bannable and wont jeopardize your account standing with ZOS. Opinions aside, this is the objective stance on this addon and its usage.

Sharpened Maces exploit, Double Mundus exploit, teleporting into enemy keeps exploit... all done by players without any risk of getting banned.

How is this time any different?

Flaws/bugs in the game's code (API code this time) are being abused, just as flaws/bugs were abused with the abovementioned exploits.

The objective stance would be considering this addon with similar parameters in mind and calling things what they are.

actually, i think the objective stance is exactly what i said it was: that this addon was reviewed by ZOS almost if not a year ago and certain features were disabled, and others were left untouched.

thats also called stating the facts. hey look - I dont like the addon, ok? I like three features of the addon suite that i consider "quality of life" which i detailed in my previous statement which i stand by, but the projectile detection diminishes the need for player awareness and focus. I think that makes players inherently weaker players. But if we are going to knock on that, then we need to take a serious look at hte PVE EQUIVALENT: RAID NOTIFIER (which lets be real, its only in the game because 'other games have it too'). ZOS probably feels like, "what's the difference"? Dont those players have an advantage over the players that dont have it too?

Rickter · October 2017

damn double post

DDuke · October 2017

Rickter wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

as of right now, Miat's addon was reviewed by ZOS about a year ago when it was alerting people to stealthed enemy players. that feature was removed the other features remained. it is very much like the pvp version of raid notifier.

with that being said, no its not considered a cheat or an exploit. there is a serious moral grey area concerning this addon with people on both sides of the fence and unfortunately the sole determination is up to ZOS.

whether you use the addon or not, unless otherwise stated by ZOS, its not bannable and wont jeopardize your account standing with ZOS. Opinions aside, this is the objective stance on this addon and its usage.

Sharpened Maces exploit, Double Mundus exploit, teleporting into enemy keeps exploit... all done by players without any risk of getting banned.

How is this time any different?

Flaws/bugs in the game's code (API code this time) are being abused, just as flaws/bugs were abused with the abovementioned exploits.

The objective stance would be considering this addon with similar parameters in mind and calling things what they are.

actually, i think the objective stance is exactly what i said it was: that this addon was reviewed by ZOS almost if not a year ago and certain features were disabled, and others were left untouched.

I get that, the question is how well it was reviewed & whether they actually succeeded in removing the toxic elements. A post made after they reviewed the addon in December 2016 suggests that no attack from an opponent you can't see should get a notification, but this is obviously not the case currently.

Here's the post:

Originally Posted by dorrino View Post
While you're here i have a question.

This change obviously severely limits the features of my addon. Can i (we) get an official stance on which parts of the addon are not desirable within ZOS design direction?

Even after the change i have some ideas how to still get the info i need for the addon to work. This will be noticeably more cumbersome and unreliable (probably) though.

In any case my intention is NOT to start an arms race with you guys. And i don't really want to spend hours of developing an intricate system to circumvent this change only to realize you will counter it with some other change

So, please, tell me which features are fine to have within your vision and which features will get an active countermeasures from you?

Thank you,

PS. Chip, in 5-10 min i'll PM you an exploit, that i found, that is very much possible with the current API. It technically allows to automate almost any players actions and CONDITIONALLY call protected and PRIVATE functions even when in combat. Cheers

ZOS_ChipHilseberg
I believe that it was anything that allows you to detect the presence or actions of a hostile player without having to see them.

http://www.esoui.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6745

The post was made in January 2017, a month after they reviewed the addon.

This leads me to believe that whatever the API currently allows is not intentional by ZOS, and taking advantage of these existing flaws/bugs in the API in my books (you don't have to agree) is exploiting/cheating.

Rickter wrote: »

thats also called stating the facts. hey look - I dont like the addon, ok? I like three features of the addon suite that i consider "quality of life" which i detailed in my previous statement which i stand by, but the projectile detection diminishes the need for player awareness and focus. I think that makes players inherently weaker players. But if we are going to knock on that, then we need to take a serious look at hte PVE EQUIVALENT: RAID NOTIFIER (which lets be real, its only in the game because 'other games have it too'). ZOS probably feels like, "what's the difference"? Dont those players have an advantage over the players that dont have it too?

I also have facts to back my point of view on what this addon (and similar private ones) should be called as pointed out above.

The reason I think it's important what words are used when describing the addon is because this affects any future debate and sets a precedence that's healthy for the game.
If this were politics, it'd be like legislation - it needs to have the exact right wording.

I wouldn't be opposed to RaidNotifier being changed as well, but then again it's not as harmful to the game to really warrant action - it doesn't negatively affect other people by forcing them to play around the addon by not playing certain builds.
Hopefully ZOS understands this as well.

Jade1986 · October 2017

Rickter wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

as of right now, Miat's addon was reviewed by ZOS about a year ago when it was alerting people to stealthed enemy players. that feature was removed the other features remained. it is very much like the pvp version of raid notifier.

with that being said, no its not considered a cheat or an exploit. there is a serious moral grey area concerning this addon with people on both sides of the fence and unfortunately the sole determination is up to ZOS.

whether you use the addon or not, unless otherwise stated by ZOS, its not bannable and wont jeopardize your account standing with ZOS. Opinions aside, this is the objective stance on this addon and its usage.

Sharpened Maces exploit, Double Mundus exploit, teleporting into enemy keeps exploit... all done by players without any risk of getting banned.

How is this time any different?

Flaws/bugs in the game's code (API code this time) are being abused, just as flaws/bugs were abused with the abovementioned exploits.

The objective stance would be considering this addon with similar parameters in mind and calling things what they are.

actually, i think the objective stance is exactly what i said it was: that this addon was reviewed by ZOS almost if not a year ago and certain features were disabled, and others were left untouched.

thats also called stating the facts. hey look - I dont like the addon, ok? I like three features of the addon suite that i consider "quality of life" which i detailed in my previous statement which i stand by, but the projectile detection diminishes the need for player awareness and focus. I think that makes players inherently weaker players. But if we are going to knock on that, then we need to take a serious look at hte PVE EQUIVALENT: RAID NOTIFIER (which lets be real, its only in the game because 'other games have it too'). ZOS probably feels like, "what's the difference"? Dont those players have an advantage over the players that dont have it too?

Raid notifier does not effect player v player situations nullifying several playstyles, miats, and the private add ons like his, do. That right there should be reason for any reasonable developer or reasonable person to want to change or want to have the api changed to not allow add ons like them, at the VERY least the api should be changed to only allow you to see ability activation times for people you are already targeting that are not in stealth.

But clearly, being reasonable and having empathy are not things that are too common.

Rickter · October 2017

So is this thread formally requesting Zos to re-review the addon?

Spoiler alert: its not

I mean, idgaf either way. I dont use the feautre the addon is taking heat for. Thats a choice.

I suggest you take the well written post you wrote right up there @DDuke and create a thread right now. Tag that chip guy too. Be the pioneer my friend.

geonsocal · October 2017

i gotta be honest - i was kind of surprised that i actually like miat/dorritos - i couldn't spend much time listening to the "interview" cuz it was putting me to sleep; and, i think the existence of the add-on itself is an abomination to the game...

however, on a personal level though - i think it's marvelous the absolute joy and glee which miat/ @Dorrino has when describing their creation...i'm trying hard to not to reference any dark analogies here...

this one is on zos...as far as mister miat is concerned - hopefully in the future they'll be able to adequately evalute the "total' impact which their work has on the community as a whole...

don't forget:

Jade1986 · October 2017

Rickter wrote: »

So is this thread formally requesting Zos to re-review the addon?

Spoiler alert: its not

I mean, idgaf either way. I dont use the feautre the addon is taking heat for. Thats a choice.

I suggest you take the well written post you wrote right up there @DDuke and create a thread right now. Tag that chip guy too. Be the pioneer my friend.

They already stated they are, so......

Mazbt · October 2017

Interesting video. I'm indifferent in the add on myself. Not gonna trash people for using it but not really my style.

usmcjdking · October 2017

DDuke wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

I am still puzzled why people care about this add on lol.

Puzzled?

Go and try to play a build using cast time abilities (e.g. Snipe, Dark Flare) when people do this:
https://youtu.be/zaB-sXFKHdE

Come back and tell us if you're still puzzled.

This addon (and similar private ones) are killing build diversity in PvP, and by killing build diversity they're killing the PvP (just look at the dwindling campaign populations on PC).

So pardon me if I care about being able to play something else than the very few toxic meta builds that are currently viable, and if I care about the future existence of this game.

I actually don't like fighting potatoes or people who generally fall over at the mere waft of a gap closer. I run a very minamalist setting (skyshards & lorebooks baby 2017 shu program son), usually run gimp/niche builds and prefer fighting people who use this add-on or who are better than me to begin with.

So whereas you care, I just don't understand why you or anyone else cares. Either use it or don't?

Chrysa1is · October 2017

Not in this case.

JonnytheKing wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I can't stand people who convince themselves something is acceptable when it clearly is not. They believe their own complete nonsense, and it really bothers me.

Say all you want, but it is cheating. I'm not even on PC and the add-on offends me and bothers me so much lol.

it easy to convince your self of something when its the truth !!!

WaltherCarraway · October 2017

@Dorrino could have made those add-ons proprietary. However he released them out.
The addons are ‘okay’ at the time this thread was posted
Also I know people using those add-ons and still bad.
So before the add-ons are officially banned or key API removed, use them if you feel disadvantaged.
LOL, why some people are just ungrateful and are condemning someone who made compilation of API calls rather than asking ZOS to limit the API.

Riejael · October 2017

Riejael wrote: »

I will post a reply in about 3 days time. I'll let it go for at least about 60-72hrs.

If I am not banned. It is not cheating. If I am, then well then you won't hear from me and you'll have your answer.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4570057/#Comment_4570057

22hrs to go. I think its safe to say that both no one reported, and that ZOS sees no reason to take action over people who use this addon.

And before anyone says anything about them being slow to react or don't react. Note this thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/375446/cheating-we-can-stop-it/p1

The OP puts a video showing a cheat happening and it was modified. Took less than three days time (assuming the last edit didn't happen a day after the first). None of my posts in this thread linking to the addon have been similarly modified.

I think this upsets alot of people. Its an answer they don't wish to come to terms with. But its a fact the rest of us will simply move forward with. They insult, they can deride, they can bully, make threats, or whatever. But no one should ever be pressured by another player to what is allowed in your addon folder and what isn't.

Only ZOS will get to decide that. Not the others in this thread who lack the conviction to even believe their own words. Never allow another players false interpretations affect how you play. That's what this is really about.

mb10 · October 2017

Thank God this isnt on console.

I dont die and question if skill killed me or a add on

DDuke · October 2017

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

@Dorrino could have made those add-ons proprietary. However he released them out.

Yes, yes he did. Why, you might wonder?

Old 12/16/16, 06:14 PM
dorrino
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Forum posts: 47
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Originally Posted by MagiczneTornado
Nice addon, too bad hordes of angry carebears are already grabbing pitchforks "omgz cheatz addon tells stealth, delete it".

Great and creative addon, hope ZOS wont give in to mob mentality

I head how players community kills off its own addon community.

Thanks. Yep, it's obvious there will be complaints. My stance is the addon balances stealth before Zos decides to

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=1545&so=DESC&page=9#comments

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

The addons are ‘okay’ at the time this thread was posted

Sure they are, just like almost every other exploit & cheat this game has had in the past.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Also I know people using those add-ons and still bad.

Yep.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

So before the add-ons are officially banned or key API removed, use them if you feel disadvantaged.

Yep, nothing preventing you from using them so why not.

Sadly, the solution isn't just "use the addon yourself and everything will be fine" - you see, this addon makes entire playstyles unviable.

If you were playing a Dark Flare magplar or virtually any bow build, the solution isn't just "use the addon yourself", the solution is "use the addon and change your entire playstyle & what you enjoy playing into something else that you don't necessarily enjoy playing, into something that isn't affected as much by the addon".

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

LOL, why some people are just ungrateful and are condemning someone who made compilation of API calls rather than asking ZOS to limit the API.

People aren't angry at our dear addon author because he made it - that'd be incredibly shortsighted & naive.

People are angry at him because he's actively defending what his addon does & spouting some incredibly stupid things in threads that seek changes to the API, such as:

Dorrino wrote:

pieratsos wrote:

Situational awareness, positioning and paying attention are part of player skill. The addon takes away that. Again, its that simple.

Mistakes not getting punished is the reason why PVP is so bad. You can correct your mistakes. You made a mistake and you took the hit, cc or whatever but you are still alive. You react and get urself back in the fight. Thats also player skill and thats how you correct mistakes. Not by an addon telling you the mistake you did so you can react as if it never happened.

And i would insist that if an addon correct mistakes on the verge of human perception we need more and better addons like this, because there're some limits to perception you can't overcome.

It stops being 'ill use an addon instead of learning' and instead becomes 'i'll use an addon to perceive something i wouldn't be able to perceive otherwise due to limitations of the default ui'.

It's not about being bad. It's about being better.

As well as for generally being a narcissistic POS who lies & insults others every chance he gets: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/374249/zenimax-restrict-your-api/p16

And yes, that's a thread about the API - people have asked ZOS to limit it and people like our dear addon author have trolled the [snip] out of those threads and got them closed.

[Edited to remove profanity]

MercyKilling · October 2017

BAN ALL THE ADD ONS!!!!eleventyone!!1!1!!

Edit: To date, I have zero add ons installed. Not once has their lack adversely affected my gameplay.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2017

For those of you not understanding Miat's situation, Pandora's Box comes to mind. The Genie in the bottle too. He could remove this portion of the addon from his public addon but it would not solve the issue of stealth detection and ambush notifications because it's in the API and any other authors of equal knowledge would still be able to use it. Only ZoS can put this Genie back in the bottle or close Pandora's Box. He is powerless to remove its use now. He himself complied with ZoS when it was investigated and has said a few times that ZoS never finished looking into everything and swept it under the rug. He's leaving it up because removing it would be pointless and equal access to this would not be available anymore so by leaving it he is leveling the playing field. We have a choice to accept ZOS's decision to allow this to remain. No one has to support their decision. Many of Us do not like this Genie, myself included but should take note of the situation and not bash each other over it. I lose my cool too sometimes when I feel powerless but no matter what my point of view is, ZoS is the responsible party.

ZoS your players are asking over and over for feedback. All you've stated in 10 months is you're investigating. If it's at all possible let us know what the decision is so Miat can just go back to enjoying the game and be done with endless accusations and the rest of Us can move on or accept that decision and stay.

DDuke · October 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

He himself complied with ZoS when it was investigated and has said a few times that ZoS never finished looking into everything and swept it under the rug.

Is that so? On my thread he confessed to not even reporting that the addon still showed cast timers for abilities cast by unseen enemies, simply because he "finds the feature desirable".

Dorrino wrote:

DDuke wrote:

Dorrino wrote:

2. If something is suspected to slip through QA it has to be promptly reported and amended.

Yes, as I'm sure you did when all cast time abilities slipped through the "QA" (assuming there even was one) *rolls eyes*

I find this feature desirable and thus see no reason for reports. *rolls eyes even harder*

Rohamad_Ali · October 2017

DDuke wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

He himself complied with ZoS when it was investigated and has said a few times that ZoS never finished looking into everything and swept it under the rug.

Is that so? On my thread he confessed to not even reporting that the addon still showed cast timers for abilities cast by unseen enemies, simply because he "finds the feature desirable".

Dorrino wrote:

DDuke wrote:

Dorrino wrote:

2. If something is suspected to slip through QA it has to be promptly reported and amended.

Yes, as I'm sure you did when all cast time abilities slipped through the "QA" (assuming there even was one) *rolls eyes*

I find this feature desirable and thus see no reason for reports. *rolls eyes even harder*

Noted but that dispute simply does nothing to reach a closure of the desirable or undesirable portions of the addon. We need ZoS to close this issue once and for all. That is why I want to discuss the addon and not the people because all of Us can find some sort of fault with each other by analyzing what side of the spectrum we are on but in the end it's a waste of time and doesn't lead to a conclusion to the problem.

In fact ZoS may never act on this so my time and energy is spent better being away. Being civil may or may not lead to any quicker reaction by ZoS but at least it leads away from fighting over the Internet and less stress. I know that all I am searching for when I read these threads is a Z name that's not a moderator.

geonsocal · October 2017

as always, very well said sir

WaltherCarraway · October 2017

DDuke wrote: »

(1000 words omitted) If you were playing a Dark Flare magplar or virtually any bow build, the solution isn't just "use the addon yourself", the solution is "use the addon and change your entire playstyle & what you enjoy playing into something else that you don't ... (1000 words omitted)

We all know you don’t make the rule, ZOS makes the rule. I offered ways to think rationally and quit raging on forum, you didn’t listen then I don’t care what else you are bragging about. Calm down and take your med.

Jeremy · October 2017

Shardan4968 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I don't like Miat's addon. Not because I think it's cheating but because I believe it gives the player using it an advantage over one that isn't using it. I don't believe 3rd party addons/programs should give players advantages (especially in PvP).

Isn't it definition of cheating? I believe that ZOS misundersdand something.

This is exactly what I thought when I read his post.

Besides, just because ZOS may not consider it cheating that doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

ZOS may control who gets banned and for what - but they don't get to decide our own opinions for us.

From I understand of this add it gives players who are using it a significant advantage over those who don't,. This is just one of many reasons I oppose addons generally and on principle.

DDuke · October 2017

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

(1000 words omitted) If you were playing a Dark Flare magplar or virtually any bow build, the solution isn't just "use the addon yourself", the solution is "use the addon and change your entire playstyle & what you enjoy playing into something else that you don't ... (1000 words omitted)

We all know you don’t make the rule, ZOS makes the rule. I offered ways to think rationally and quit raging on forum, you didn’t listen then I don’t care what else you are bragging about. Calm down and take your med.

Eh, I'd rather just actually be able to play the game than log in, do writs & log off because I can't play a bow build I enjoy due to some 3rd party cheat plugin.

I'm well aware ZOS makes the rules, one of those being "no exploiting" - not that this rule is ever actually enforced (see: Sharpened Maces, Double Mundus, Miat's).

I'm not sure which portion of your post I supposedly "didn't listen to", since I actually replied to its entirety (which seems like wasted time now). Maybe you can point that out?

Betsararie · October 2017

MercyKilling wrote: »

BAN ALL THE ADD ONS!!!!eleventyone!!1!1!!

Edit: To date, I have zero add ons installed. Not once has their lack adversely affected my gameplay.

It has adversely affected your gameplay because you are missing out on features that greatly improve the experience of the game.

Shardan4968 · October 2017

Riejael wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

I will post a reply in about 3 days time. I'll let it go for at least about 60-72hrs.

If I am not banned. It is not cheating. If I am, then well then you won't hear from me and you'll have your answer.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4570057/#Comment_4570057

22hrs to go. I think its safe to say that both no one reported, and that ZOS sees no reason to take action over people who use this addon.

And before anyone says anything about them being slow to react or don't react. Note this thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/375446/cheating-we-can-stop-it/p1

The OP puts a video showing a cheat happening and it was modified. Took less than three days time (assuming the last edit didn't happen a day after the first). None of my posts in this thread linking to the addon have been similarly modified.

I think this upsets alot of people. Its an answer they don't wish to come to terms with. But its a fact the rest of us will simply move forward with. They insult, they can deride, they can bully, make threats, or whatever. But no one should ever be pressured by another player to what is allowed in your addon folder and what isn't.

Only ZOS will get to decide that. Not the others in this thread who lack the conviction to even believe their own words. Never allow another players false interpretations affect how you play. That's what this is really about.

Looks like you don't even read comments written by people who have different opinion. As @DDuke said many times here, two mundus stones and sharpened maces were clearly an exploits but people who used them didn't get ban. But it's still exploit by its definition. Same situation with Miat's addon, ZOS never said that this addon is "ok", If they had clear statement they would post it here long time ago. This thread is here for few days now and you know they have seen it. They just gives us no response, showing by that how much they care about fixing pvp. If this addon gives you unfair advantage over players who don't use it then it's cheating. This addon shows information hidden in code which shouldn't be showed to player. What is it If not cheating? I don't know If you realize that you are just wasting your time, because everyone knows that Zenimax won't ban you, as I said they don't have clear statement about the addon so they don't have right to do so Also don't tell me that I'm attacking Miat for making unfair addon instead of blaming ZOS for API, because all I want is to keep this thread alive until ZOS say that Miat's PvP alert is banned or is "ok" and If they really think that it's ok, then I demand from them to make this addon official, take responsibility for all problems this addon can cause such as lags or crashes, or just implementing this into game as new patch. Then I will blame them not for allowing players to cheat, but for destroying whole builds and making more uneccesary nerfs. But of course I know that ZOS propably won't do anything. It's Zenimax after all, maybe it's too hard to give community what they want.

Dorrino · October 2017

I see the love of me grows stronger and stronger with time:)

What i find interesting though, is the prevalence of purely subjective and ungrounded claims regarding the 'intended state of the game'.

it's been shown multiple times that build diversity has nothing to do with the addon. that ranged channels still have huge hit percentage (giving us a hint that they need to be additionally nerfed), that high damage ganking still works quite effectively, that equating something with exploits/cheats can only possible if developing team makes a clear case-by-case claim about it, that the author enjoys his creation and wishes it to be baseline interface feature - it's all have been demonstrated multiple times during the existence of the addon:)

And yet, some people still have the 'higher knowledge':) The knowledge of 'how things should be'. This would've been understandable if they shared it as their personal preference, but no, they come in and 'tell the truth'. I find this aspect the most peculiar part of the whole 'discussion'.

KingMagaw · October 2017

Dorrino wrote: »

I see the love of me grows stronger and stronger with time:)

What i find interesting though, is the prevalence of purely subjective and ungrounded claims regarding the 'intended state of the game'.

it's been shown multiple times that build diversity has nothing to do with the addon. that ranged channels still have huge hit percentage (giving us a hint that they need to be additionally nerfed), that high damage ganking still works quite effectively, that equating something with exploits/cheats can only possible if developing team makes a clear case-by-case claim about it, that the author enjoys his creation and wishes it to be baseline interface feature - it's all have been demonstrated multiple times during the existence of the addon:)

And yet, some people still have the 'higher knowledge':) The knowledge of 'how things should be'. This would've been understandable if they shared it as their personal preference, but no, they come in and 'tell the truth'. I find this aspect the most peculiar part of the whole 'discussion'.

Players asked for your addon features to be disabled/looked at last time, ZOS looked at it and restricted some API which disabled some of the features.

Seems the majority are asking for ZOS to do so again, which is any players 'right'. Time for you to code in another crutch i suppose, based on the past and all.

geonsocal · October 2017

Dorrino wrote: »

I see the love of me grows stronger and stronger with time:)

What i find interesting though, is the prevalence of purely subjective and ungrounded claims regarding the 'intended state of the game'.

it's been shown multiple times that build diversity has nothing to do with the addon. that ranged channels still have huge hit percentage (giving us a hint that they need to be additionally nerfed), that high damage ganking still works quite effectively, that equating something with exploits/cheats can only possible if developing team makes a clear case-by-case claim about it, that the author enjoys his creation and wishes it to be baseline interface feature - it's all have been demonstrated multiple times during the existence of the addon:)

And yet, some people still have the 'higher knowledge':) The knowledge of 'how things should be'. This would've been understandable if they shared it as their personal preference, but no, they come in and 'tell the truth'. I find this aspect the most peculiar part of the whole 'discussion'.

Malic · October 2017

DDuke wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

I am still puzzled why people care about this add on lol.

Puzzled?

Go and try to play a build using cast time abilities (e.g. Snipe, Dark Flare) when people do this:
https://youtu.be/zaB-sXFKHdE

Come back and tell us if you're still puzzled.

This addon (and similar private ones) are killing build diversity in PvP, and by killing build diversity they're killing the PvP (just look at the dwindling campaign populations on PC).

So pardon me if I care about being able to play something else than the very few toxic meta builds that are currently viable, and if I care about the future existence of this game.

Ya but your narrative "its killing" reads as if this is some new thing. There have been plenty of "private" LUA addons and -other- that have been in the game for a long time. Miat is just someone who is willing to be candid about what he does, I respect the hell out of him for that even though I think his addon and play style are complete cheese.

That said, its always been a zos problem, they allow it, all of it.

Publius_Scipio · October 2017

This is all opinion and emotions. ESO is ZOS property. ZOS rules here. I would think ZOS needs to become more aggressive and nip things in the bud more. They need to fully explain how they feel about Miat's addon (or any other addon out there), and clearly define the rules. ZOS needs to become more "boss" with topics like this.

Edit: Rich Lambert should go on ESO Live, stare the camera dead in the eye. State how ZOS feels about whatever topic, define the rules, and then tell everyone who doesn't like it to GET THE F[snip!!!] OUT OF TAMRIEL!

Edit #2: /yell And don't let the f[snip]ing door hit you on the way out!

ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHING***Interview With Miat*** Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A

ARE U HAPPY NOW ZOS IS DOING SOMETHINGInterview With Miat Lets Talk Add Ons, Cheating and Q/A