My Warden tank is OP as hell and i love it.

RouDeR · October 2017

Pros:
- Its the king of Selfsustain
- best Selfheals
- minor and major protection
- capable of doing a bit AoE dps
- nice group heal for 4 man vet content
- can use the same CP in PvP and PvE
- can use the same sets in PvP PvE and No cp PVP
- fun to play
- UNbeatable in small scale pvp when played right
- snare resistance

Cons :
- Payed

Demonstration

https://youtu.be/Qd-G1LGFW-8

PlagueSD · October 2017

Oh look, another tank that doesn't carry soul gems. Would have been a lot easier if you ressed someone..

SilverIce58 · October 2017

What gear are you using?

Wing · October 2017

I would love to play a warden, I just cannot stand the animations of some of the staple abilities.

I don't mind the ice and flowers, but the cliff racer thing, the shalks, and the netch I hate, I don't like those animals in game, I don't care for morrowind or vvardenfell really, don't like the dark elves (expansion saw to that, there almost all ***)

while all other classes have very generic magic abilities and color schemes, warden is very specific.

it should have been a generic magical bird shaped spell, shalks could be replaced with vines, netch could have been a glowing magical orb, etc.

Loves_guars · October 2017

I'm not an expert but DK has talons, chains, sorcery and brutality buffs, shields for the party I still prefer it. For PVE I mean.

Skullstachio · October 2017

With the fact that you had no healer to keep you & your teammates alive (you know, just you & two DPS's) you probably would have been able to clean up the adds & the boss faster than your video, & the fact you had no soul gems to resurrect your teammates means that you just labeled yourself as a "Selfish" player. I know because I use a Dragonknight tank for my main.

~@Alpha-Lupi

RouDeR · October 2017

Alpha-Lupi wrote: »

With the fact that you had no healer to keep you & your teammates alive (you know, just you & two DPS's) you probably would have been able to clean up the adds & the boss faster than your video, & the fact you had no soul gems to resurrect your teammates means that you just labeled yourself as a "Selfish" player. I know because I use a Dragonknight tank for my main.
~@Alpha-Lupi

In the beginning of the dungeon i had around 40 Soul gems . Guess what happened to them ^^?

SydneyGrey · October 2017

Is this a stamina warden?
The fact you were even living through that as long as you did is insane.

Kneighbors · October 2017

Lol man. Is this the first tank your are playing besides DK? Did you realize it is possible to make the same or even better with Sorc or Templar tank? GJ, you just discovered it is possible to tank not only on DK.

The only thing that could kill in that fight on your video is bosses heavy attack or a shout. And you actually died on a shout. So I didn't find anything amusing.

It's an amusing video only for those who never tanked hard content or tanked it on copy/paste DK build. Several days ago there was a magsorc who soloed that dungeon till last boss 14% in light armor and you come with "LoOOOok I'm OP I can survive bites of trash and cast absorb magicka on bosses attacks". Wow. You are damn goooooooood.

Kneighbors · October 2017

BTW, I understand you don't know it, but tanking and healing 4 man content is all about buffing the group. I hate to see tanks who uses sets like Ironblood to fight for their survival. The good choice of sets for that specific boss is ebon+alkosh+bloodspawn, or akaviri dragon instead of ebon. A tank who has to fight for his survival by putting Ironblood+desert rose+troll king is a miserable tank, far far away from OP. In that specific fight theres no chance i die on dk tank with group buff sets till columns are up. You had atleast 2 left, OP, lol....

Inhuman003 · October 2017

Well, enjoy it, for now, get ready for the nerf.

generalmyrick · October 2017

what was the point of pooping on this happy post?

Integral1900 · October 2017

In action movie advert voice... “the warden, a class that’s amazing... in like... 5 percent of the game”

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

what was the point of pooping on this happy post?

It is not a "happy post", op is bragging, that is a no-no, no matter the situation. What makes it worse is that he is bragging about something that is not good and he thinks it is. Any class can used to build a tank that does what he is doing, survive, it is a whole nother ball of wax to build for team support, at the very least tanks ought to have ebon.

SirCritical · October 2017

I agree a lot just have some fear now that ZOS will nerf Warden harder.

ForsakenSin · October 2017

im sorry but here is a thing i am not trolling ect i am been honest .. i don't kick people / vote to kick but @RouDeR i would vote to kick you in a heart beat faster then i can push the damm button .. and here is why.

There is nothing more annoying NOTHING then when the tank is last one standing and instead of rezzing people or dying so the rest of YOUR team can rezz and finish it he is wasting time , and OP that is exactly what you are doing .

I never understood this YOU KNOW you are not going to kill the boss and YOU KNOW you will not rezz other team members so the ONLY thing you are doing is wasting those poor players time... congrats....

im sorry OP but that is really selfish how you just wasted those other peoples time for nothing and i hate to think how many times you done the same thing before hand ... and its really annoying as i said i would vote to kick you in a heart beat.

PlagueSD · October 2017

I so wish I had video when I soloed Lord Warden from 20% to 3% on my DK tank...Failed on one of the ports..Synergy never fired off...dropped dead from fall damage.

Houshiki · October 2017

So I watched the vid, and read the thread thus far... am I supposed to be impressed?
Ok, OP survived a good amount of time time solo, I'll give you that.

Now to pick apart OP pros.
- DKs are king of sustain.
- Templars have best self-heals. Sorcs too if they've slotted surge and hurricane or something else.
- Minor/Major protection, sure, not like templars and nbs don't have that.
- Every class has some sort of aoe dmg ability and every class can tank. What's the point in being capable of doing aoe dps with a tank's dps?
- If you want a heal tank, templars are probably the better choice.
- 3k isn't really all that significant just to switch cp from pve to pvp.
- Couldn't really tell what gear. Saw in an earlier post ironblood+desert rose+troll king. There're better sets to use for pve. This seems more like a pvp set up.
- Fun to play? Debatable.
- Unbeatable? Well, tanks are generally difficult to kill in pvp due in part being tanks.
- Snare resistant? I'm guessing you mean the warden's winter embrace passive.

MLGProPlayer · October 2017

Warden tank is good, but not better than DK.

Chufu · October 2017

Yeah warden Tank is really fun and will get a little bit buffed with CWC (Wings more dodge + 3 portals). I Love to play him too.

But I think it would be hard for Vet trials with him, as DK is much better in surviving (magmashell for example). I saw that when our Maintank in vHoF was at the 2nd boss: First we did that with his DK, no Problem. Next Week with bis Warden...and he died very often. Maybe it was a Bad week or it was the difference of warden to DK, I don't know.

But it's fun with warden Tank. Can't wait to go vDSA with my 3 portals Haha!

Waffennacht · October 2017

No build is unbeatable in PvP. Your standard dd may not kill everything, but everything definitely can die

RouDeR · October 2017

Houshiki wrote: »

So I watched the vid, and read the thread thus far... am I supposed to be impressed?
Ok, OP survived a good amount of time time solo, I'll give you that.

Now to pick apart OP pros.
- DKs are king of sustain.
- Templars have best self-heals. Sorcs too if they've slotted surge and hurricane or something else.
- Minor/Major protection, sure, not like templars and nbs don't have that.
- Every class has some sort of aoe dmg ability and every class can tank. What's the point in being capable of doing aoe dps with a tank's dps?
- If you want a heal tank, templars are probably the better choice.
- 3k isn't really all that significant just to switch cp from pve to pvp.
- Couldn't really tell what gear. Saw in an earlier post ironblood+desert rose+troll king. There're better sets to use for pve. This seems more like a pvp set up.
- Fun to play? Debatable.
- Unbeatable? Well, tanks are generally difficult to kill in pvp due in part being tanks.
- Snare resistant? I'm guessing you mean the warden's winter embrace passive.

Tellmeagain how Templars will have best selfheals with 10kmagika ?
Or how the DK will be able to Selfsustain on 20 mobs + boss if builded for permablock ?
Wardens have the best resource return passive in the game and the best ultigen, also the healing Over time is scalled with mymax health and does not require for me to drop on low health in order to heal affectively.
ALso yeaha DK proper heal requires Igneousshield also yeah which is like what 4k shield cost + 4K HEAL COST SO u will spend 8k magika of your Magica pool just to heal yourself ONCE.
You poopdropers obviously DONT KNOW how to tank , and what is the best tank for non trial Vet content.

rob_ber · October 2017

@RouDeR , I'm not here to argue with you. Just want you to ask a simple question. And yes, I do have a DK and a Warden tank. At least for me Warden tank is fun toon, to fool around, tank vet content, etc. But when required to tank serious stuff I always use DK. Oh, the question, ofc. How can you seriously tank without chains and talons? Mindlessly running around taunting big blobs ....

Zbigb4life · October 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Oh look, another tank that doesn't carry soul gems. Would have been a lot easier if you ressed someone..

Yeah but that wouldn't appease his ego...

Zbigb4life · October 2017

RouDeR wrote: »

Houshiki wrote: »

So I watched the vid, and read the thread thus far... am I supposed to be impressed?
Ok, OP survived a good amount of time time solo, I'll give you that.

Now to pick apart OP pros.
- DKs are king of sustain.
- Templars have best self-heals. Sorcs too if they've slotted surge and hurricane or something else.
- Minor/Major protection, sure, not like templars and nbs don't have that.
- Every class has some sort of aoe dmg ability and every class can tank. What's the point in being capable of doing aoe dps with a tank's dps?
- If you want a heal tank, templars are probably the better choice.
- 3k isn't really all that significant just to switch cp from pve to pvp.
- Couldn't really tell what gear. Saw in an earlier post ironblood+desert rose+troll king. There're better sets to use for pve. This seems more like a pvp set up.
- Fun to play? Debatable.
- Unbeatable? Well, tanks are generally difficult to kill in pvp due in part being tanks.
- Snare resistant? I'm guessing you mean the warden's winter embrace passive.

Tellmeagain how Templars will have best selfheals with 10kmagika ?
Or how the DK will be able to Selfsustain on 20 mobs + boss if builded for permablock ?
Wardens have the best resource return passive in the game and the best ultigen, also the healing Over time is scalled with mymax health and does not require for me to drop on low health in order to heal affectively.
ALso yeaha DK proper heal requires Igneousshield also yeah which is like what 4k shield cost + 4K HEAL COST SO u will spend 8k magika of your Magica pool just to heal yourself ONCE.
You poopdropers obviously DONT KNOW how to tank , and what is the best tank for non trial Vet content.

But still you died...

onemoredragon · October 2017

So there's a Malubeth proc in the vid, so I assume it's a self-healing build.. well, it's indeed can be fun to play. You can build something like this with NB tank and enjoy self-healing too, but it's definitely not OP, not in PVE at least.

From my experience, you can tank vet trials, at least Craglorn ones, with Warden tank without any problems. Done vSO as main and vHRC.

rob_ber wrote: »

@RouDeR , I'm not here to argue with you. Just want you to ask a simple question. And yes, I do have a DK and a Warden tank. At least for me Warden tank is fun toon, to fool around, tank vet content, etc. But when required to tank serious stuff I always use DK. Oh, the question, ofc. How can you seriously tank without chains and talons? Mindlessly running around taunting big blobs ....

And yes, sometimes you don't need to use Talons. It's nice to have them of course. As for Chains, wardens have a portal

It is slightly slower than chains but not terrible at all. Plus with the next update it will be possible to drop a portal 3 times. Even as a DK tank, it's nice to think of resource preservation and do the positioning of the mobs in such a way that it would minimize chaining. You can do it on a Warden as well.

RouDeR · October 2017

rob_ber wrote: »

@RouDeR , I'm not here to argue with you. Just want you to ask a simple question. And yes, I do have a DK and a Warden tank. At least for me Warden tank is fun toon, to fool around, tank vet content, etc. But when required to tank serious stuff I always use DK. Oh, the question, ofc. How can you seriously tank without chains and talons? Mindlessly running around taunting big blobs ....

Warden have Graund AoE Root like DK , and if needed i can put range tount , depends on the content .
The sets like Alkosh and Abon are for the OFFTanks in trials, The point of the main tank is to stay alive nomatter what , 30% of the group wipes in trials is cuz of a squishy tanks.So better safe than Sorry .
And i dont have Soul Gems cuz those guys cost me all my 40 that i had in the beginning of the dungeon .

rob_ber · October 2017

Well I know the Portal and the Winter's Revenge skills.... but god they are clunky to use. At least Portal is.

@onemoredragon totally agree, you don't need Talons. But is such an asset for the group if tank can keep mobs nicely stacked so DDs just burn them.

@RouDeR to some extent I do agree with you about main tanks. Maybe it's me, but for me essence of tanking is not just aggro, permablock and selfheals. Even as a main tank I try to provide at least some support to my group. For example in vMoL, first boss shield phase I will always even as a main tank try to help healers with Vigor so the group will be OK. What can you do with Warden? Drop Forest? Isn't Warhorn ulti better?
I'm not trying to criticize you, just debating here. Not rezzing those poor souls ultimately caused your team's wipe. 40 soul gems doing pug/inexperienced group is nothing. If you on PC EU I will gladly offload some soul gems to you ....

Houshiki · October 2017

RouDeR wrote: »

Houshiki wrote: »

So I watched the vid, and read the thread thus far... am I supposed to be impressed?
Ok, OP survived a good amount of time time solo, I'll give you that.

Now to pick apart OP pros.
- DKs are king of sustain.
- Templars have best self-heals. Sorcs too if they've slotted surge and hurricane or something else.
- Minor/Major protection, sure, not like templars and nbs don't have that.
- Every class has some sort of aoe dmg ability and every class can tank. What's the point in being capable of doing aoe dps with a tank's dps?
- If you want a heal tank, templars are probably the better choice.
- 3k isn't really all that significant just to switch cp from pve to pvp.
- Couldn't really tell what gear. Saw in an earlier post ironblood+desert rose+troll king. There're better sets to use for pve. This seems more like a pvp set up.
- Fun to play? Debatable.
- Unbeatable? Well, tanks are generally difficult to kill in pvp due in part being tanks.
- Snare resistant? I'm guessing you mean the warden's winter embrace passive.

Tellmeagain how Templars will have best selfheals with 10kmagika ?
Or how the DK will be able to Selfsustain on 20 mobs + boss if builded for permablock ?
Wardens have the best resource return passive in the game and the best ultigen, also the healing Over time is scalled with mymax health and does not require for me to drop on low health in order to heal affectively.
ALso yeaha DK proper heal requires Igneousshield also yeah which is like what 4k shield cost + 4K HEAL COST SO u will spend 8k magika of your Magica pool just to heal yourself ONCE.
You poopdropers obviously DONT KNOW how to tank , and what is the best tank for non trial Vet content.

First and foremost, I've nothing against warden tanks. A pity if that's what you thought. Secondly, calling your build "op as hell" yet dying at the end... yeah...

Now then:
- 10k magicka? No tri-stat food? No tri-stat enchants? Well, even then, templars have ritual, a fairly wide aoe hot. Its quite nice, one morph increases healing and does dmg, the other increases the duration, and during that time mag regen will do its work. There's also honor the dead, other morph of BoL, refunds the costs over time. If the tank's hp is yoyo-ing, self-heals isn't the problem.
- DK's self-sustain with 20 adds and the boss? Kite them around the boss and build ulti? Sounds familiar, right? Seriously, they've got passives for ulti gen, stam restore, and resource restoring in general. Maybe pop SnB ulti or magma shell and use the time to get back resources, chug a pot, and heal, if they still need to. Or maybe use that time to, idk, rez the dead?
- Warden's resource returns; I'm guessing the netch and the regen that comes from Flourish, and Nature's Gift while healing with a Green Balance ability. For ulti gen, I'm guessing shimmering shield, and the return from Enchanted Forest.
- The HoT being scaled with your max health... ok you lost me there...
- A DKs self-heals, sure they're not cheap, but its not like GDB is being spammed. Again, if the tank's hp is yoyo-ing the self-heals isn't the problem. Besides, the ability has other buffs aside from the heal like minor vitality plus the Burning Heart passive, once every once in a while is plenty.
- Personally, I don't main a tank, that doesn't mean I don't know how to tank though. Seriously, I've a DK tank I play with, and from my perspective, non trial vet content has a fair amount of leeway.

Now again, I've nothing against warden tanks, they've got plenty going for them.

Kneighbors · October 2017

RouDeR wrote: »

Houshiki wrote: »

So I watched the vid, and read the thread thus far... am I supposed to be impressed?
Ok, OP survived a good amount of time time solo, I'll give you that.

Now to pick apart OP pros.
- DKs are king of sustain.
- Templars have best self-heals. Sorcs too if they've slotted surge and hurricane or something else.
- Minor/Major protection, sure, not like templars and nbs don't have that.
- Every class has some sort of aoe dmg ability and every class can tank. What's the point in being capable of doing aoe dps with a tank's dps?
- If you want a heal tank, templars are probably the better choice.
- 3k isn't really all that significant just to switch cp from pve to pvp.
- Couldn't really tell what gear. Saw in an earlier post ironblood+desert rose+troll king. There're better sets to use for pve. This seems more like a pvp set up.
- Fun to play? Debatable.
- Unbeatable? Well, tanks are generally difficult to kill in pvp due in part being tanks.
- Snare resistant? I'm guessing you mean the warden's winter embrace passive.

Tellmeagain how Templars will have best selfheals with 10kmagika ?
Or how the DK will be able to Selfsustain on 20 mobs + boss if builded for permablock ?
Wardens have the best resource return passive in the game and the best ultigen, also the healing Over time is scalled with mymax health and does not require for me to drop on low health in order to heal affectively.
ALso yeaha DK proper heal requires Igneousshield also yeah which is like what 4k shield cost + 4K HEAL COST SO u will spend 8k magika of your Magica pool just to heal yourself ONCE.
You poopdropers obviously DONT KNOW how to tank , and what is the best tank for non trial Vet content.

Sorry to tell you, you went into wrong direction. Templars and Sorcs need their points in magicka and health, much less in stamina. If you are trying to copy DK pattern onto Templar and Sorc and find similar skills, you are on a wrong approach. So no mate, you don't know how to tank mitigate damage through variety of skills etc. Probably you know only DK tanking and trying to copy it to other classes, and then like poooof that class is very bad for tanking!

Kneighbors · October 2017

onemoredragon wrote: »

So there's a Malubeth proc in the vid, so I assume it's a self-healing build.. well, it's indeed can be fun to play. You can build something like this with NB tank and enjoy self-healing too, but it's definitely not OP, not in PVE at least.

From my experience, you can tank vet trials, at least Craglorn ones, with Warden tank without any problems. Done vSO as main and vHRC.

rob_ber wrote: »

@RouDeR , I'm not here to argue with you. Just want you to ask a simple question. And yes, I do have a DK and a Warden tank. At least for me Warden tank is fun toon, to fool around, tank vet content, etc. But when required to tank serious stuff I always use DK. Oh, the question, ofc. How can you seriously tank without chains and talons? Mindlessly running around taunting big blobs ....

And yes, sometimes you don't need to use Talons. It's nice to have them of course. As for Chains, wardens have a portal It is slightly slower than chains but not terrible at all. Plus with the next update it will be possible to drop a portal 3 times. Even as a DK tank, it's nice to think of resource preservation and do the positioning of the mobs in such a way that it would minimize chaining. You can do it on a Warden as well.

When you say self-healing tank build the number 1 will be magsorc. These aoe heals, wardens ults etc are total crap compared to sorcs critical surge and shield stacking. And I think troll king will do a better job for a real self healing tank than Malubeth