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PTS 3.2.3 Clever Alchemist - What a joke.
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Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If the issue was the damage from stealth one shotting people then nerf the damage. That isn't what they did, they nerfed my ability to use the set.
Lag is too high for me to use it in combat I want to set up then being the fight when i am ready have that buff running. Now I personally very rarely one shot anyone, best case is typically two shot with excutioner, but people dodge roll and heal out (Getting my attack shuffle dodged is most common thing to happen to be honest)
Look, I have had all day to thinking about it and I am not going to stop ganking, all these other clever alchemist users are not going to stop ganking, we will just find some other set up to use... Archer's mind or maybe I'll give up ever being close to someone and go Marksman + Hawk's eye or something. So either ganking works or I don't play PVP.
It isn't really a case of people trying to 1 shot each other that isn't how PVP works at all atm.. its all zergs (which are very hard to gank) and tanky people all over the place. If there was an issue and this was common maybe but again... lower the damage then.0 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭GG gank cheesePC/DC/NAserver
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Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, seems lazy.
Retorical questions: Are all backbar sets programmed so that 5th quality will persist? Is that the issue? Why not program backbar sets to expire the buff if 4 pieces are no longer equipped?
This makes me think of how the 2nd mundus is removed once the player no longer has 5 pieces of twice-born star equipped.. but then I remember that was exploited. ...
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crobarXIII✭✭✭Yes, seems lazy.
Retorical questions: Are all backbar sets programmed so that 5th quality will persist? Is that the issue? Why not program backbar sets to expire the buff if 4 pieces are no longer equipped?
This makes me think of how the 2nd mundus is removed once the player no longer has 5 pieces of twice-born star equipped.. but then I remember that was exploited. ...
Not all sets stay active when losing the piece set. Let's use hunding rage & briarheart as examples. Hunding rage is a constant buff as long as the 5th piece is equiped. Briarheart on the other hand has a proc & duration, so when it procs while you have 5 pieces equiped the buff will stay on for 10 seconds even if you lose the 5th piece when swaping to your back-bar. The current issue isn't that you keep the buff from clever alchemist when swapping bars. The issues is that add-ons allow you to create loadouts that allow you to swap gear in a couple of seconds, so some players are activing clever alchemist swapping gear (completely replacing CA with another set) & having 3 different 5 piece set bonuses at once.
Edit: They would have to make it so that it expires if less than 3 piece are equiped not 4. When you swap from dw bar to bow bar you usually lose 2 pieces since your bow is usually a maelstrom bow for pve or a masters for pvpEdited by crobarXIII on October 11, 2017 2:20AMPS4-NA-1000+cp
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MaselClass RepresentativeHow about you just let your first attack hit to be in combat and then pop a potion immediately.. Stop overreacting, adapt, get over it, but don't attack the devs without any kind of reflection.
It's still a great set that does the same stuff that it does now.PC EU
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How about you just let your first attack hit to be in combat and then pop a potion immediately.. Stop overreacting, adapt, get over it, but don't attack the devs without any kind of reflection.
It's still a great set that does the same stuff that it does now.
I`m all for the "Improvise, adapt, overcome" theme, but what makes me a little angry is the fact that changes to a set occurs due to people exploiting things with addons. A better change would´ve been that clever alchemist puts you into combat (since you can´t gearswap while in combat)
It´s a very nice set for a bombblade, I can´t think of any bombblade doing a lightattack from a distance to pull themselves into combat to proc clever alchemist, that will give a way the advantage of surprise. Me personally will probably swap to VD+Warmaiden + 1 kena + something.........0 -
MaselClass RepresentativeHow about you just let your first attack hit to be in combat and then pop a potion immediately.. Stop overreacting, adapt, get over it, but don't attack the devs without any kind of reflection.
It's still a great set that does the same stuff that it does now.
I`m all for the "Improvise, adapt, overcome" theme, but what makes me a little angry is the fact that changes to a set occurs due to people exploiting things with addons. A better change would´ve been that clever alchemist puts you into combat (since you can´t gearswap while in combat)
It´s a very nice set for a bombblade, I can´t think of any bombblade doing a lightattack from a distance to pull themselves into combat to proc clever alchemist, that will give a way the advantage of surprise. Me personally will probably swap to VD+Warmaiden + 1 kena + something.........
I don't mean doing an additional attack before you actually engage...I meant just firing your bomb rotation as usual and then immediately after you went in and the first attack hit (basically lotus fan), pop the potion...PC EU
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✭✭✭sad, instead of fixing the exploit - preventing the 5 piece bonus to be active even when undressing the set and changing it for other set, they just nerfed Clever Alchemist, sad sad....1 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How about you just let your first attack hit to be in combat and then pop a potion immediately.. Stop overreacting, adapt, get over it, but don't attack the devs without any kind of reflection.
It's still a great set that does the same stuff that it does now.
I`m all for the "Improvise, adapt, overcome" theme, but what makes me a little angry is the fact that changes to a set occurs due to people exploiting things with addons. A better change would´ve been that clever alchemist puts you into combat (since you can´t gearswap while in combat)
It´s a very nice set for a bombblade, I can´t think of any bombblade doing a lightattack from a distance to pull themselves into combat to proc clever alchemist, that will give a way the advantage of surprise. Me personally will probably swap to VD+Warmaiden + 1 kena + something.........
I don't mean doing an additional attack before you actually engage...I meant just firing your bomb rotation as usual and then immediately after you went in and the first attack hit (basically lotus fan), pop the potion...
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This change is the most elegant solution to the problem at hand. You cant make the 5 piece go away when you uneqiup the 5th piece cause that would ruin alch backbar, and putting you in combat is an even clunkier and lazier fix.
This changes nothing for non gank builds, bombblades(at least the good ones that actually intend on surviving the bomb) put a shade before engaging anyway, and single target gank builds can work around it, you dont need much dmg to oneshot (as in a combination of multiple skills and cc) anyway. Sorry to all the bads sitting in sneak waiting to xv1, you will have to press 1 more button.2 -
Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »This change is the most elegant solution to the problem at hand. You cant make the 5 piece go away when you uneqiup the 5th piece cause that would ruin alch backbar, and putting you in combat is an even clunkier and lazier fix.
This changes nothing for non gank builds, bombblades(at least the good ones that actually intend on surviving the bomb) put a shade before engaging anyway, and single target gank builds can work around it, you dont need much dmg to oneshot (as in a combination of multiple skills and cc) anyway. Sorry to all the bads sitting in sneak waiting to xv1, you will have to press 1 more button.
Are you trolling? You obviously never bombed before if you suggest putting down a shade. This is not Thieves Guild anymore, zergs know that you're there and they start buffing up and then good luck proccing VD, which is what does the actual damage in a bombing scenario.0 -
@Subversus If a zerg did the correct move and countered what youre doing by buffing up, i dont see why would you want to punish them. Either way, the discussion is about alch, and you have other ways of proccing it if you dont put a shade.Edited by Ultimate_Overlord on October 11, 2017 9:14AM0
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Subversus✭✭✭✭✭
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I've been bombing on my magblade since TG and I can't think of any other way that doesn't expose me to the Zerg by agroing an NPC or shooting them with fire light attacks.Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »@Subversus If a zerg did the correct move and countered what youre doing by buffing up, i dont see why would you want to punish them. Either way, the discussion is about alch, and you have other ways of proccing it if you dont put a shade.
By "countering me" I mean their dedicated breath of life spammers (every Zerg consists of 20% BoL spammers, I'm sure you know that by now) start pressing a button on their very hard to play class that needs a lot of buffs.0 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
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It could also be the case that the expectation to wipe a whole group every time is a bit optimistic.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »If the issue was the damage from stealth one shotting people then nerf the damage. That isn't what they did, they nerfed my ability to use the set.
Lag is too high for me to use it in combat I want to set up then being the fight when i am ready have that buff running. Now I personally very rarely one shot anyone, best case is typically two shot with excutioner, but people dodge roll and heal out (Getting my attack shuffle dodged is most common thing to happen to be honest)
Look, I have had all day to thinking about it and I am not going to stop ganking, all these other clever alchemist users are not going to stop ganking, we will just find some other set up to use... Archer's mind or maybe I'll give up ever being close to someone and go Marksman + Hawk's eye or something. So either ganking works or I don't play PVP.
It isn't really a case of people trying to 1 shot each other that isn't how PVP works at all atm.. its all zergs (which are very hard to gank) and tanky people all over the place. If there was an issue and this was common maybe but again... lower the damage then.
Just because you have lags doesn't justify that you can face-roll people because you can't do anything else. This game is not balanced around 1 single player, it is first balanced around bugs/ exploits and then around overall balance.
You're not a special snowflake, you don't deserve better treatment for your bad ping just like handicapped players don't get a 1 shot Button just because they only have 1 hand etc.1 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is so entertaining reading through the tears of gankers even though you didn't need Alchemist for Ganking.
I can perfectly gank people with up to 26k health in heavy armor ( light armor and medium armor are a joke when you gank them) on my argonian stamnb that uses Spriggan, 2pc Bloodspawn and shadowwalker and that's my open world setup.
Just switch Alchemist, if you really are too lazy/bad to use the potion after ambush/Bow heavy attack, for either Hundings or Draugr Hulk
Draugr Hulk gives you 569 Wpndmg on a Bosmer ganker, more than any other set which gives you the buff all the time, mix it with Spriggan, 1pc kragh and 1pc veli/kena and keep on ganking players.
For bombers i understand that this change is not the best thing in the World. Alchemist was perfect it gave 2 health bonuses and huge amounts of spelldmg while being able to be combined with VD.
I bombed a lot on both CP and no-CP with changing setups and the best dmg i got was of course with VD, 3 pc willpower and Alchemist.
But when I used Spinners i didn't miss one bomb attempt because i didn't had a potion ready and i could bomb tank zergs much better due to higher spellpen.
But solo bomb sucks nowadays with the tank zerg meta, get a friend who uses a bomber aswell and rek any groups that are unaware that you are around.
For flags go with one tether bomb and one destro bomb. Best setup for tether bomb imo is VD+Stygian+1pc kena and 1pc domi or War maiden.
Destro bomb can be done with Julianos that comes in handy for more crits on your destro or spinner for best damage against Heavy Armor.
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭A really easy fix for this is to create a new buff, give it a name and this buff just gives you 700 weapon damage.
Call it minor or major gank whatever, when you activate a potion you gain major gank, increasing you weapon damage by 700, when you don't wear 5 alchemist this buff goes away. DONE
Ok this kinda removes the back-bar playstyle of this set, but at least you can still use it to gank out of combat from stealth.
Actually this presumes facts not in evidence.
The only thing that makes sense about this change is **IF** they have no direct way to tie a spawned buff to "sets being worn."
Remember as a backbar buff, you can already trigger this effect and bar swap to not having the 5pc active. That feels to me like its a "fire and forget" sort of code and that there may not be anyway to **easily** tie it back to wearing a set.
Also, how many pieces would need to be worn to keep the buff?
Could i add-on to swap in four pieces of one of those "four piece trial sets" or some other better combat bonuses set and keep one piece of Clever and still keep its 700?
Or do you think its easy to code in "keep four pieces or the buff turns off" for a fire and forget buff?
The "only in combat thing seems like a sort of unhappy compromise between a lot of oddball possibly worse outcomes.
Short of outlawing add-ons access to swap gear, this seems like the easy fix.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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