Warden Healing Ultimate Nerfed :(

Rainraven · October 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.

ZOS LOGIC?

I'm not biggest fan of ZoS.. but nerfed templar to the ground? Are you serious? Because they nerfed BoL to 180 zone down from 360? Or is it the mending? OH I CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME ANY LONGER, NERFED TO THE GROUND *CRY*

Templars got slammed when Morrowind dropped. Several class-defining skills got rekt, and no I'm not talking about BoL. If it's not your class and you don't give a *** that's fine, but it happened all the same.

phileunderx2 · October 2017

Sigh..I do love my trees *hugs* I will miss you.

SanTii.92 · October 2017

Necessary nerf. Now it's time yo buff the lackluster parts of the kit.

SirAxen · October 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.

ZOS LOGIC?

I'm not biggest fan of ZoS.. but nerfed templar to the ground? Are you serious? Because they nerfed BoL to 180 zone down from 360? Or is it the mending? OH I CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME ANY LONGER, NERFED TO THE GROUND *CRY*

And took away repentance giving stam back to everyone healed AND made it so shards AND orbs are on the same cool down AND made the 24% group damage reduction from remberance major protection AND only applyed to yourself AND took major mending away AND radiant destruction so many ways, it is crazy not the least of which is still having the 300% execute damage calulated in such a way it removes like a 1/3 of what the damage would be. AND removed the stun AND disorient from shards AND you get the picture.

Yes Templar healers were nerfed to lower the ceiling. If you ever played one you would know these things.

I play a Templar daily and have had zero difficulty doing any type of content. I haven't noticed drastic number differences at all as a healer or a DPS. Also, I absolutely demolish people in PvP as well.

Defilted · October 2017

33% is not going to matter at all. Still going to slot it.

Drakkdjinn · October 2017

SirCritical wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

Still OP..still too cheap...

But if it won't heal [snip] why to use then?! You won't use even a 5 ultpoint ability if the only thing it does just it calls out worms from the ground. Ah sure, it passively grants 2% healing done when slotted. Nice.

The problem is that Wardens are minority in the player base, that's why our opinions don't count against the mass.

If there is a loud enough PvPer who met a Warden using this skill in Cyro, then the skill gets nerfed. Thank you.

1. Wardens are a minority in the playerbase because the class is locked behind a paywall to a mediocre DLC. Thank ZoS for that.
2. Trees were nerfed because it is the most powerful & spammable def PvP ult in the game. Baddies and trolls alike have been crutching on it since it's release. Thank ZoS for that.

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Libonotus · October 2017

SirCritical wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

Still OP..still too cheap...

But if it won't heal [snip] why to use then?! You won't use even a 5 ultpoint ability if the only thing it does just it calls out worms from the ground. Ah sure, it passively grants 2% healing done when slotted. Nice.

The problem is that Wardens are minority in the player base, that's why our opinions don't count against the mass.

If there is a loud enough PvPer who met a Warden using this skill in Cyro, then the skill gets nerfed. Thank you.

Wanna log into cyrodiil on console? Most are wardens

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Defilted · October 2017

Most on console are not Wardens. I play on XBOX NA. I can tell you when I get a kill Wardens quest it takes several days to get this completed and most time I abandon it. The other kill class quest get filled in less than 30 min. There are still not a lot of Wardens on XBOX NA Shor. I have seen more lately, but it is a a very gross overstatement to say they are all Wardens. This is not my experience on Shor and I am on almost everyday in prime-time.

Waffennacht · October 2017

Libonotus wrote: »

SirCritical wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

Still OP..still too cheap...

But if it won't heal [snip] why to use then?! You won't use even a 5 ultpoint ability if the only thing it does just it calls out worms from the ground. Ah sure, it passively grants 2% healing done when slotted. Nice.

The problem is that Wardens are minority in the player base, that's why our opinions don't count against the mass.

If there is a loud enough PvPer who met a Warden using this skill in Cyro, then the skill gets nerfed. Thank you.

Wanna log into cyrodiil on console? Most are wardens

This is about as true as the statement that 75% is Sorcs'

We don't make up that much of the population

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geonsocal · October 2017

wardens make the dragonknight bounty seeem easy...

Axoinus · October 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.

ZOS LOGIC?

GUYS! Don't worry about group PvE. Going into next update, us Nightblades will have a heal to make up for the Warden heal nerf!!

Koensol · October 2017

They should have just increased the cost. The treetard spam has to stop. The nerf in healing won't matter for one bit. Healing ults overheal for a majority of their duration anyway.

Konstant_Tel_Necris · October 2017

I remember times when wardens show wonders of nature to attract girls visit their Enchanted Forest, all those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdftIM4tld4

Thogard · October 2017

The "kill warden" quest is bugged and requires you to get the death blow rather than just a regular kill like the other quests.

Ihatenightblades · October 2017

SirAxen wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.

ZOS LOGIC?

I'm not biggest fan of ZoS.. but nerfed templar to the ground? Are you serious? Because they nerfed BoL to 180 zone down from 360? Or is it the mending? OH I CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME ANY LONGER, NERFED TO THE GROUND *CRY*

And took away repentance giving stam back to everyone healed AND made it so shards AND orbs are on the same cool down AND made the 24% group damage reduction from remberance major protection AND only applyed to yourself AND took major mending away AND radiant destruction so many ways, it is crazy not the least of which is still having the 300% execute damage calulated in such a way it removes like a 1/3 of what the damage would be. AND removed the stun AND disorient from shards AND you get the picture.

Yes Templar healers were nerfed to lower the ceiling. If you ever played one you would know these things.

I play a Templar daily and have had zero difficulty doing any type of content. I haven't noticed drastic number differences at all as a healer or a DPS. Also, I absolutely demolish people in PvP as well.

If you came in as dps in my raid i would kick you. And replace you with someone who does minimum 10k higher dps which is a huge difference. No offense its not against you its a magplar thing them and magwardens are worsr dps in game magplar might even be worse

geonsocal · October 2017

Thogard wrote: »

The "kill warden" quest is bugged and requires you to get the death blow rather than just a regular kill like the other quests.

that really sucks...

PS4_ZeColmeia · October 2017

Azurya wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It was needed unfortunately.

it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!

NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.

I've only played as a NB and have not experienced any of what you have just said.

PlagueSD · October 2017

Azurya wrote: »

it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!

NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.

Once again nerfs "Because of PvP" are breaking the game...Pop a negate over the trees...No healing...Problem solved. Don't nerf stuff just because it's "too powerful" in PvP. Learn to counter it.

Drakkdjinn · October 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!

NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.

Once again nerfs "Because of PvP" are breaking the game...Pop a negate over the trees...No healing...Problem solved. Don't nerf stuff just because it's "too powerful" in PvP. Learn to counter it.

You can't spam negate, trees you can.

Try again.

Megabear · October 2017

It was too powerful, needed a nerf. My Warladin had a good time with it, probably still will even after the nerf.

Wreuntzylla · October 2017

Koensol wrote: »

They should have just increased the cost. The treetard spam has to stop. The nerf in healing won't matter for one bit. Healing ults overheal for a majority of their duration anyway.

I think your the 4th or 5th person to say increase the cost.

Increasing the cost won't make much difference. Wardens can generate ultimate faster than any class in the game. I play a stam warden and I still slot shimmering shield...

Ihatenightblades · October 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!

NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.

Once again nerfs "Because of PvP" are breaking the game...Pop a negate over the trees...No healing...Problem solved. Don't nerf stuff just because it's "too powerful" in PvP. Learn to counter it.

Negate lmao they pop thicket you pop negate cool you countered it.

5 seconds later healing thicket is ready and negate is nowhere near close to ready.

Fail. Try again

Autumnhart · October 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!

NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.

Once again nerfs "Because of PvP" are breaking the game...Pop a negate over the trees...No healing...Problem solved. Don't nerf stuff just because it's "too powerful" in PvP. Learn to counter it.

Negate sorcs are the counter for magplar heals. Nightblades are the counter for warden heals.

The trees are overperforming. This tweak will make absolutely no difference. Thank *** the class is locked behind Morrowind purchase.

starkerealm · October 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.

ZOS LOGIC?

TheValar85 · October 2017

They nerfed because of the PVP QQ's

Freecry · October 2017

I think 75% of people do not know what they are talking about.
Play a stamwarden in pvp and you will see how wardens is so powerfull...
Warden is only fine in an organized group or in the middle of a zerg...
I think we don't play the same pvp.
In vivec PC EU i 've see inkillable templars, inkillable DK, inkillable sorcs, and NB so sthealy that it's really really hard to killl but i've never see an inkillable warden even with the tree execpt one but it's suspicious (never heal and done exeptionnal dammage) may be a special build ?

Ps inkillable = very very very hard to kill and never 1vs1

Asmael · October 2017

Freecry wrote: »

I think 75% of people do not know what they are talking about.
Play a stamwarden in pvp and you will see how wardens is so powerfull...
Warden is only fine in an organized group or in the middle of a zerg...
I think we don't play the same pvp.
In vivec PC EU i 've see inkillable templars, inkillable DK, inkillable sorcs, and NB so sthealy that it's really really hard to killl but i've never see an inkillable warden even with the tree execpt one but it's suspicious (never heal and done exeptionnal dammage) may be a special build ?

Ps inkillable = very very very hard to kill and never 1vs1

Welcome to the 75%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5sjdgnL124

Freecry · October 2017

Here just seeing a good player playing with scenerys (surroundings ?) running arround a rock waiting the other player come back but this thing all tank classes can do the same with the good build. However is more easy with tree.

Valencer · October 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!

NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.

Once again nerfs "Because of PvP" are breaking the game...Pop a negate over the trees...No healing...Problem solved. Don't nerf stuff just because it's "too powerful" in PvP. Learn to counter it.

Trees cost 55 ulti after the first cast on a class that has easy access to major heroism (especially vs a mag sorc)

Negate costs 170 ulti on a class with no access to major heroism.

I know math is difficult but come on..

GreenhaloX · October 2017

vpy wrote: »

Warden Healing Ultimate is nerfed by 33%
This is so bad
How many of you guys have seen this in the PTS 3.2.2 patch notes ??

Oh, damn.. yeah, 33% is a lot.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

all the constant nerfing is just really frustrating...im saying the same i said after the defiler nerf - if you release something and then have to nerf it by 30%, by 50% etc, either you dont understand your own game or your internal testing sucks

Right on.. this!

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It was needed unfortunately.

Cannot agree here. Nothing needs nerfing. Oh, wait a second.. nerfing does need nerfing.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

heartburnkid wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It was needed unfortunately.

it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!

NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.

What are you talking about? NB is very good in PvE vet Dungeons and vet Trials. MagNB is more or less on par with a magsorc for ranged dps with basically only lame pet heavy attack cheese builds barely beating magNB... and stamNB boasts some of the highest dps in the game.

And yes, trees are ridiculous broken powerful in PvP especially combined with earthgore and tank ball heal groups that plague the damn game now... How often do you even use trees in PvE?

I leveled a stamblade to 50.....any tips on how to do this good damage you speak of?

Yeah look at every leaderboard and ask one. There are as many NB's on trial leaderboards as Sorc's.

Or you could, you know, type it into [snip] Google search??

Relax, dude, it's just a video game. There are better and worthwhile things in real life to be leaders of..

Soleya wrote: »

heartburnkid wrote: »

I leveled a stamblade to 50.....any tips on how to do this good damage you speak of?

Check out Gilliam the Rogue on youtube, you'll find what your looking for there.

Who the heck is this Gilliam dude? Y'all need to quit mentioning this guy. You going to make Alcast and Deltia jealous. Is that Deltia dude still playing this game?

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