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Warden Healing Ultimate Nerfed :(
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Warden Healing Ultimate is nerfed by 33%
This is so bad
How many of you guys have seen this in the PTS 3.2.2 patch notes ??
This is so bad
How many of you guys have seen this in the PTS 3.2.2 patch notes ??
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AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It was needed unfortunately.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 5030 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?18 -
Azurya✭✭✭✭✭
✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »It was needed unfortunately.
it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!
NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.4 -
SirCritical✭✭✭✭✭Still OP..still too cheap...
But if it won't heal [snip] why to use then?! You won't use even a 5 ultpoint ability if the only thing it does just it calls out worms from the ground. Ah sure, it passively grants 2% healing done when slotted. Nice.
The problem is that Wardens are minority in the player base, that's why our opinions don't count against the mass.
If there is a loud enough PvPer who met a Warden using this skill in Cyro, then the skill gets nerfed. Thank you.
[Edited to remove profanity]Edited by ZOS_KatP on October 13, 2017 8:10PM9 -
Azurya✭✭✭✭✭
✭It needed a nerf in all honesty. Even after the nerf, it's still really good.
I see that a bit different. Having nothing that special as class abilities which would perform like any sorc-ability, it was at least our ultimate which gave any grpa reason to have space for warden! And it costs ultimate! And it doesn´t perform that well like for example Negate or Power overload! (with the last you have 3. skillbar!) But yeah we are no sorc, so no love for wardens!Edited by Azurya on October 6, 2017 7:31AM4 -
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✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »It was needed unfortunately.
it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!
NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.
What are you talking about? NB is very good in PvE vet Dungeons and vet Trials. MagNB is more or less on par with a magsorc for ranged dps with basically only lame pet heavy attack cheese builds barely beating magNB... and stamNB boasts some of the highest dps in the game.
And yes, trees are ridiculous broken powerful in PvP especially combined with earthgore and tank ball heal groups that plague the damn game now... How often do you even use trees in PvE?PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It needed a nerf in all honesty. Even after the nerf, it's still really good.
I see that a bit different. Having nothing that special as class abilities which would perform like any sorc-ability, it was at least our ultimate which gave any grpa reason to have space for warden! And it costs ultimate! And it doesn´t perform that well like for example Negate or Power overload! (with the last you have 3. skillbar!) But yeah we are no sorc, so no love for wardens!
Now few raging teenage sorcs will appear and "explain" to you how warden is op af and sorc is not really that good and that this is somehow yet another nerf sorc thread.7 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It needed a nerf in all honesty. Even after the nerf, it's still really good.
I see that a bit different. Having nothing that special as class abilities which would perform like any sorc-ability, it was at least our ultimate which gave any grpa reason to have space for warden! And it costs ultimate! And it doesn´t perform that well like for example Negate or Power overload! (with the last you have 3. skillbar!) But yeah we are no sorc, so no love for wardens!
Well in PvP a warden would destroy an equally skilled sorc, so there's that.
In PvE the warden was billed as a "jack of all trades, master of none" class, so don't be surprised that 12man groups with highly specialized roles don't want a class that isn't the "best" at any one role.
That tree ult also needs a cost increase. And fissure needs its dmg nerfed. But I'd be ok with them raising the DPS of the warden dots for PvE so that their overall DPS in PvE is higher. We just gotta lower their perma healing and take away that insane burst dmg.
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✭It needed a nerf in all honesty. Even after the nerf, it's still really good.
I see that a bit different. Having nothing that special as class abilities which would perform like any sorc-ability, it was at least our ultimate which gave any grpa reason to have space for warden! And it costs ultimate! And it doesn´t perform that well like for example Negate or Power overload! (with the last you have 3. skillbar!) But yeah we are no sorc, so no love for wardens!
Its still a massive HoT that can literally be spammed in some builds...1 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭2cheap and 2powerful. They should have reduced the healing by 33% and increased the cost to 100 ulti.
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Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
I'm not biggest fan of ZoS.. but nerfed templar to the ground? Are you serious? Because they nerfed BoL to 180 zone down from 360? Or is it the mending? OH I CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME ANY LONGER, NERFED TO THE GROUND *CRY*Edited by Kneighbors on October 6, 2017 9:15AM7 -
Ulfgarde✭✭✭✭✭So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
Lol templar healing bad.
Another PvE dude who never had their foot set in Cyrodiil and seen how this ult functions so well for any warden that can spam R at their feet when it's up.
I also guess you never heard of healing springs. It's easily a funny meme though because you bashed ZOS haha ecks deeVery athletic eso player
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✭✭✭✭Kneighbors wrote: »So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
I'm not biggest fan of ZoS.. but nerfed templar to the ground? Are you serious? Because they nerfed BoL to 180 zone down from 360? Or is it the mending? OH I CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME ANY LONGER, NERFED TO THE GROUND *CRY*
And took away repentance giving stam back to everyone healed AND made it so shards AND orbs are on the same cool down AND made the 24% group damage reduction from remberance major protection AND only applyed to yourself AND took major mending away AND radiant destruction so many ways, it is crazy not the least of which is still having the 300% execute damage calulated in such a way it removes like a 1/3 of what the damage would be. AND removed the stun AND disorient from shards AND you get the picture.
Yes Templar healers were nerfed to lower the ceiling. If you ever played one you would know these things.17 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭all the constant nerfing is just really frustrating...im saying the same i said after the defiler nerf - if you release something and then have to nerf it by 30%, by 50% etc, either you dont understand your own game or your internal testing sucks8 -
heartburnkid✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »It was needed unfortunately.
it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!
NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.
What are you talking about? NB is very good in PvE vet Dungeons and vet Trials. MagNB is more or less on par with a magsorc for ranged dps with basically only lame pet heavy attack cheese builds barely beating magNB... and stamNB boasts some of the highest dps in the game.
And yes, trees are ridiculous broken powerful in PvP especially combined with earthgore and tank ball heal groups that plague the damn game now... How often do you even use trees in PvE?
I leveled a stamblade to 50.....any tips on how to do this good damage you speak of?2 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Might as well take the warden bounty out of PvP now , it was a nightmare filling it before this5 -
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✭heartburnkid wrote: »Drummerx04 wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »It was needed unfortunately.
it was needed cauze it was too op in PvP, and just while all in this game is adjusted to PvP so that is why warden got is first major nerf. There will be more in the near future, till it is just a class nobody plays like NB!
NB is not wanted in grps, not wanted in raids, trials and the like, cauze the performance is too low, even with BiS and hours of experience as DD and tank. Can most off the stuff walk through with eyebind.
Started cauze of that crap long ago a sorc, who is wanted and with morrowind a warden for PVE content, well that will be the beginning of the doom for wardens as well.
What are you talking about? NB is very good in PvE vet Dungeons and vet Trials. MagNB is more or less on par with a magsorc for ranged dps with basically only lame pet heavy attack cheese builds barely beating magNB... and stamNB boasts some of the highest dps in the game.
And yes, trees are ridiculous broken powerful in PvP especially combined with earthgore and tank ball heal groups that plague the damn game now... How often do you even use trees in PvE?
I leveled a stamblade to 50.....any tips on how to do this good damage you speak of?
Yeah look at every leaderboard and ask one. There are as many NB's on trial leaderboards as Sorc's.
Or you could, you know, type it into [snip] Google search??
[Edited to remove profanity]Edited by ZOS_KatP on October 13, 2017 8:15PM0 -
Just remember though OP, they didnt nerf the healing.. they nerfed the healing over time.
The skill had 2 problems in pvp:
1. High instant heal
2. low cost
What do they nerf? the healing over time.
#braindeadlogic
Next time increase the cost or reduce the instant heal instead of attack the already weakest part of the skill?... jeez..Edited by Navoric_Envaldreth on October 6, 2017 11:54AMFeralclaw - EU - AD
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✭✭✭✭Kneighbors wrote: »So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
I'm not biggest fan of ZoS.. but nerfed templar to the ground? Are you serious? Because they nerfed BoL to 180 zone down from 360? Or is it the mending? OH I CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME ANY LONGER, NERFED TO THE GROUND *CRY*
lol man, I hate templars.
You clueless breton.So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
Lol templar healing bad.
Another PvE dude who never had their foot set in Cyrodiil and seen how this ult functions so well for any warden that can spam R at their feet when it's up.
I also guess you never heard of healing springs. It's easily a funny meme though because you bashed ZOS haha ecks dee
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I guess everyone abandon kill 20 wardens quest because wardens are op, not because there are 3 Wardens on 100 sorcerers in PvP.Edited by Enslaved on October 6, 2017 12:01PM3 -
Insandros✭✭✭✭Cool, one less crying we'll be reading from PvPer now on forums, they got another nerf they wished for... just can't wait to see what those cryers will be whining about the warden if they keep diying against Wardens...Edited by Insandros on October 6, 2017 12:08PM3 -
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✭They should also give it a cost-increase. Even if healing is down 33% - you can still poop those trees out every 4th / 5th second or so.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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Ulfgarde✭✭✭✭✭
Goddammit, you're right. Nerf sorcs, ZOS. I've been fully persuaded.Kneighbors wrote: »So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
I'm not biggest fan of ZoS.. but nerfed templar to the ground? Are you serious? Because they nerfed BoL to 180 zone down from 360? Or is it the mending? OH I CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME ANY LONGER, NERFED TO THE GROUND *CRY*
lol man, I hate templars.
You clueless breton.So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
Lol templar healing bad.
Another PvE dude who never had their foot set in Cyrodiil and seen how this ult functions so well for any warden that can spam R at their feet when it's up.
I also guess you never heard of healing springs. It's easily a funny meme though because you bashed ZOS haha ecks dee
12 midyear mayhem chars, 2 of them wardens. 14 chars with at least AvA rank 14.
I guess everyone abandon kill 20 wardens quest because wardens are op, not because there are 3 Wardens on 100 sorcerers in PvP.
Edited by Ulfgarde on October 6, 2017 12:19PMVery athletic eso player
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Bryong9ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭As someone that primarily plays PVE, enjoys playing the Warden class, and is normally against nerfs. I have to agree with this. It was over performing.7 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭SirCritical wrote: »Still OP..still too cheap...
But if it won't heal [snip] why to use then?! You won't use even a 5 ultpoint ability if the only thing it does just it calls out worms from the ground. Ah sure, it passively grants 2% healing done when slotted. Nice.
The problem is that Wardens are minority in the player base, that's why our opinions don't count against the mass.
If there is a loud enough PvPer who met a Warden using this skill in Cyro, then the skill gets nerfed. Thank you.
This is delusional.
[Edited for quote]]Edited by ZOS_KatP on October 13, 2017 8:11PM1 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
Lol templar healing bad.
Another PvE dude who never had their foot set in Cyrodiil and seen how this ult functions so well for any warden that can spam R at their feet when it's up.
I also guess you never heard of healing springs. It's easily a funny meme though because you bashed ZOS haha ecks dee
Goddammit, you're right. Nerf sorcs, ZOS. I've been fully persuaded.Kneighbors wrote: »So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
I'm not biggest fan of ZoS.. but nerfed templar to the ground? Are you serious? Because they nerfed BoL to 180 zone down from 360? Or is it the mending? OH I CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME ANY LONGER, NERFED TO THE GROUND *CRY*
lol man, I hate templars.
You clueless breton.So, Zos nerfed templar to the ground so mediocre healer that is Warden could even stand a chance when it comes down to healing. And now, they nerfed only good group heal Warden had.
ZOS LOGIC?
Lol templar healing bad.
Another PvE dude who never had their foot set in Cyrodiil and seen how this ult functions so well for any warden that can spam R at their feet when it's up.
I also guess you never heard of healing springs. It's easily a funny meme though because you bashed ZOS haha ecks dee
12 midyear mayhem chars, 2 of them wardens. 14 chars with at least AvA rank 14.
I guess everyone abandon kill 20 wardens quest because wardens are op, not because there are 3 Wardens on 100 sorcerers in PvP.
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✭heartburnkid wrote: »I leveled a stamblade to 50.....any tips on how to do this good damage you speak of?
Check out Gilliam the Rogue on youtube, you'll find what your looking for there.2
