DKs are overpreforming and probably always will, might as well make them over preform in a less toxic way

I don't think it's helpful to pigeonhole classes. Let players play as they want play.

I tried that Templar house thing. As soon as you start to build your house people fill it full of red circles. It quickly becomes the unhealthiest place to stand.

Hollery wrote: »

DKs are overpreforming and probably always will, might as well make them over preform in a less toxic way

um, no. see post #3 and the DK Feedback thread for reasons.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

DKs are overpreforming and probably always will, might as well make them over preform in a less toxic way

Are you [snip] kidding me? The most nerfed and gutted class?


DK's, Mag Dk in particular, Already have these issues

•Worst sustainability of ALL classes, made even worse with the nerf to battle roar the classes only saving grace to resources

•In addition to our worst sustainability we have the HIGHEST COSTING abilities in the game! Where are we supposed to balance at?

•Absolutely awful burst damage in any capacity, and INFERIOR AoE damage and DoT damage to both MagSorcs and Templars alike on every parse that I've seen since the updates. Not only that but in pvp our "dot damage" is useless! It's alll just cleansed or shielded through. POINTLESS

•Wings completely bugged and unreliable for encounters.

•No mobility capabilities, No access to an execute (Never mind sorcs having both a active execute AND a passive Overperforming execute)

I'm not too sure about the mobility capabilities, you don't need it imo, the theme of a dragon knight was mostly tanking, was the same with templars, in which their theme was mainly heals. nightblades was suppose to be good stamina dps, while sorcerer excellent magicka dps. Wardens were all rounders but was a support class thematically. DKs are still the best class in surviving, PvE wise they are the BEST in tanking, no issues there.

I rather they upped the burst potential for DKs, then these... DoT damage. leave that to the nightblades or templars.

which is again, better for DKs to "hold your fort".

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Trying to design classes based on a pithy thematic slogan (i.e. "Templar House") isn't something I want more of. It leads to arbitrary, reductive decisions.

To answer more directly: both. Like all classes, they should be able to be built for varying degrees of defense and offense.

I don't understand the options. The title options and the poll options don't add up. What am I voting on?

@Kilandros

Should DK's be more about Zone Control or bringing themselves into the Zone.

I.E: I will bring everything here, and buff up this area. Or, You cannot escape me.

We should be berserker warriors... Advancing fearless in battlefield... Even with low damage but more sustainable damage and cc...

@DeadlyRecluse

Sweet! You got it.

"Give them no Rest!" Is better suited for DPS and Ardent Flame works pretty well here.

"Hold your Ground!" Is best suited for Tanking, however DK tanking shares several skills (for tanking) between Earthen Heart and Draconic Power, which of those two would be best suited at Tanking?

Draconic Power Seems likely (large, scaled dragon), but it has one of the better offensive Ults and earthen heart has a great defensive ult. Not to mention shields and CC.

So how would you rearrange these skills or augment them in order to get a more thematic build that allows a DK to spec into each area specifically if they so choose?

("Stay with me!" would likely be the 3rd skill tree and focusing on team buffs)

As templar's "house " is rather dilapidated, not sure we should be basing a DK role one way or that other off that.

Personally I'd like for DKs to either be "hold your ground" or "relentless attack," whichever the player wants they should be able to build and attain.

Derra wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Kilandros

Should DK's be more about Zone Control or bringing themselves into the Zone.

I.E: I will bring everything here, and buff up this area. Or, You cannot escape me.

Given how potent DKs are when they can actually attack you - no i would not like to see them being able to gapclose/control an enemy better.

Actually lel. So DK should be a class with an effective range of 8m that gets out done by a light jog since the longer range abilities are useless in pvp.

Agree with low mobility and gap closer not needed. But DKs need the ability to control opponents better.

IAVITNI wrote: »

I always saw DK's as more of a "Nice Try!" kind of class.

You set up a house over there? Nice try! *Chains them in*
You want to run back to your safe house? Nice try! *talons*
You think you got away? Nice try! *chains them back*
You think you're going to kill me? Nice try! *lets out a battle roar and leaps back into the fray*
You think you're going to frag me to the face? Nice Try! *Flexes wings*

etc. etc.

I feel DK was built largely around their chain pull as it is one of their iconic and class defining skills. Unfortunately it's a bust right now. Give chains there own immunity cooldown (8 seconds) , have it pull after a small delay (0.5 seconds) and make the target immune to damage (not cc/debuffs) during the pull and for a short time frame (0.1 seconds) afterwards and the skill just might be useable.

If chains was a usable skill, the DK kit would become far more useful.

That was originally the plan, then DK got "balanced."

"You set up a house over there? Nice try! *Chains them in* "

House is built 1m above/below a ground floor, DK chains freaks out and chains get erectile dysfunction. (An unintended after effect of the chaining from height change and the gapclosing keeps change. Works in battlegrounds)

"You think you got away? Nice try! *chains them back*"

Providing chains worked in the first place, the target now has CC immunity for doing nothing and your chains are as useful as an osteoporotic arm wrestler.

"You think you're going to kill me? Nice try! *lets out a battle roar and leaps back into the fray*"

Due to leap2keep bug we ninja nerfed leaps range. Also one in 10 leaps will leave you with buttwings and drain your ulti. ~This is to make chains a more usable gapcloser. - Wrobel probably. We also nerfed battle roar to the point it is more of a menacing squeak. (I kid, leap is still great, best ulti pvp unless destrozerg.)

"You think you're going to frag me to the face? Nice Try! *Flexes wings*"

Gets asploded by a rain of birds, and crushing shocks. A frags has been procc'd. But now wings has run out after reflecting one projectile. Also you are now on fire from the fireball you reflected. Go figure.

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