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I've yet to see a build in which Shacklebreaker is mathematically the best set.
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: ».NightbladeMechanics wrote: »freid.simonb16_ESO wrote: »For magDK it's an awsome set both for cp or non cp (in fact i use the same setup) and i use it with tristat food
Here are the stat (i have around 306 cp) with 5 shackle 5 sun
Why use Shackle in that build instead of Impreg or Riposte?
I agree with Riposte being an alternative, but I'm curious why everyone is gung-*** about Impregnable in a meta that is heavily reliant upon proc sets which cannot crit?
I'm not saying that Impregnable is a bad set, I just feel that in this meta there are other sets (such as Riposte as you mentioned) that would provide overall greater damage reduction.
Edit: Apparently the term gung- H - O is a naughty word.
Have you seen the 5 impreg 5 desert rose 7sturdy perma block dk?? Op man. Op.
Here's what confuses me, I thought you can't do crits/deal crit damage on block, so why if it's a "permablocker" would you run impregnable? The name must be misleading or I'm missing something
Wow, I didn't even know you can't crit blockers. How could I missed that? +1 insightful
Sooner or later they will drop block (e.g. when feared) and then the set impen comes in handy. You can go full sturdy and still get decent crit resist for times when you can't block.0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can crit on block targets the damage os just reduced. Similar to how you can sgill crit on shields but you domt get the bonus damage.0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Chilly-McFreeze hey I'm the one asking questions here! (Lmao). The last I ever looked up blocking info was in the beginning, but I'm gonna think....
Math time!!
Let's say they are correct and you can crit on block and there's nothing special about it
Let's say your opponent has a tooltip of 11k DMG, let's say you run SnB with the Passives unlocked
Let's also say your opponent has a massive crit modifier of 110%
That, in PvP would become roughly a 12k damage attack
After block, (thanks @paulsimonps ) the attack deals approximately 2400 damage (NOT including ANY resistance)
Meaning that Impregnable will reduce the remaining damage taken by 38.5% or....
924 damage
Taking that 2400 and making it 1500 - ish
So...
Do you still feel impregnable is the best choice? Obviously not if you do actually block the vast majority of attacks.
Quite frankly I don't know if a "permablocker" build would actually like impregnable?1 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »@Chilly-McFreeze hey I'm the one asking questions here! (Lmao). The last I ever looked up blocking info was in the beginning, but I'm gonna think....
Math time!!
Let's say they are correct and you can crit on block and there's nothing special about it
Let's say your opponent has a tooltip of 11k DMG, let's say you run SnB with the Passives unlocked
Let's also say your opponent has a massive crit modifier of 110%
That, in PvP would become roughly a 12k damage attack
After block, (thanks @paulsimonps ) the attack deals approximately 2400 damage (NOT including ANY resistance)
Meaning that Impregnable will reduce the remaining damage taken by 38.5% or....
924 damage
Taking that 2400 and making it 1500 - ish
So...
Do you still feel impregnable is the best choice? Obviously not if you do actually block the vast majority of attacks.
Quite frankly I don't know if a "permablocker" build would actually like impregnable?
Not read this thread much but since I was tagged I can at least comment on what I have seen. If you are a permablocker, why would you run Impreg? Seems like a waste of a set. I mean a perma blocker in PvP usually has a purpose, to help with heal, to help with CC, to help with Debuffs or some other reason. Have yet to see a perma blocker that can do a lot of damage.
That being said, the amount of mitigation you get from a permablocking build, if done right, is enough to where you don't need critical resistance even if you can crit against shields, and from my testing you at the very least don't get a damage increase against blocked target. Not sure if its like with damage shield where it counts as a crit in regards to some set bonuses or other buffs but again it doesn't deal the extra damage so critical resistance is useless if you are wanting to perma block, or well at least against anything that is not a DoT that can't be blocked, and if you are a perma blocker you are usually in a group and someone is bound to have a purge for those.
But I will leave it at that since the main focus of the thread as it seems is suppose to be on Shacklebreaker. Which for stam and mag sorcs can be really good, gives a lot of sustain with the use of Dark Deal and Dark Exchange, but of course it also gives you max resources, power buffs and regen into both sides. And with the nerf to Amberplasm coming up at the very least for sorcs this might be the better option if you are looking for sustain. But obviously it gives you more than just sustain, not much in terms of damage increase but the fact that its a sustain set that also gives damage is a plus.
oh and btw, for the first bit of this comment, perma blockers only exist in CP PvP, you can't perma block in no CP PvP.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »@Chilly-McFreeze hey I'm the one asking questions here! (Lmao). The last I ever looked up blocking info was in the beginning, but I'm gonna think....
Math time!!
Let's say they are correct and you can crit on block and there's nothing special about it
Let's say your opponent has a tooltip of 11k DMG, let's say you run SnB with the Passives unlocked
Let's also say your opponent has a massive crit modifier of 110%
That, in PvP would become roughly a 12k damage attack
After block, (thanks @paulsimonps ) the attack deals approximately 2400 damage (NOT including ANY resistance)
Meaning that Impregnable will reduce the remaining damage taken by 38.5% or....
924 damage
Taking that 2400 and making it 1500 - ish
So...
Do you still feel impregnable is the best choice? Obviously not if you do actually block the vast majority of attacks.
Quite frankly I don't know if a "permablocker" build would actually like impregnable?
Not read this thread much but since I was tagged I can at least comment on what I have seen. If you are a permablocker, why would you run Impreg? Seems like a waste of a set. I mean a perma blocker in PvP usually has a purpose, to help with heal, to help with CC, to help with Debuffs or some other reason. Have yet to see a perma blocker that can do a lot of damage.
That being said, the amount of mitigation you get from a permablocking build, if done right, is enough to where you don't need critical resistance even if you can crit against shields, and from my testing you at the very least don't get a damage increase against blocked target. Not sure if its like with damage shield where it counts as a crit in regards to some set bonuses or other buffs but again it doesn't deal the extra damage so critical resistance is useless if you are wanting to perma block, or well at least against anything that is not a DoT that can't be blocked, and if you are a perma blocker you are usually in a group and someone is bound to have a purge for those.
But I will leave it at that since the main focus of the thread as it seems is suppose to be on Shacklebreaker. Which for stam and mag sorcs can be really good, gives a lot of sustain with the use of Dark Deal and Dark Exchange, but of course it also gives you max resources, power buffs and regen into both sides. And with the nerf to Amberplasm coming up at the very least for sorcs this might be the better option if you are looking for sustain. But obviously it gives you more than just sustain, not much in terms of damage increase but the fact that its a sustain set that also gives damage is a plus.
oh and btw, for the first bit of this comment, perma blockers only exist in CP PvP, you can't perma block in no CP PvP.
Just wanna add. You don't necessarily want to permablock in PvP exactly, but you can, as a Magicka player, adjust the numbers to achieve massive mitigation through blocking during an opponent's burst.
Giving a magicka build the ability to block like a Stam build in PvP could be a huge advantage.
And maybe shackle breaker becomes a better choice if Amber gets nerfed. Maybe shackle breaker + alteration + sturdy + SnB Passives + maybe one block cost reduction glyph would provide enough in No CP?
Dunno, haven't tested anything0 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I love it on my mageblade. With witchmothers I get great sustain which allows me to go full damage with my other 5 piece. 43k magica, 2.3k recovery, 22k health, 14.5k Stam, 879 Stam recovery, 2310 unbuffed spell damage and 43% crit. Just straight stat building and it is serving me a lot better than transmutation or wizards.
I like it a lot.1 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »@Chilly-McFreeze hey I'm the one asking questions here! (Lmao). The last I ever looked up blocking info was in the beginning, but I'm gonna think....
Math time!!
Let's say they are correct and you can crit on block and there's nothing special about it
Let's say your opponent has a tooltip of 11k DMG, let's say you run SnB with the Passives unlocked
Let's also say your opponent has a massive crit modifier of 110%
That, in PvP would become roughly a 12k damage attack
After block, (thanks @paulsimonps ) the attack deals approximately 2400 damage (NOT including ANY resistance)
Meaning that Impregnable will reduce the remaining damage taken by 38.5% or....
924 damage
Taking that 2400 and making it 1500 - ish
So...
Do you still feel impregnable is the best choice? Obviously not if you do actually block the vast majority of attacks.
Quite frankly I don't know if a "permablocker" build would actually like impregnable?
Not read this thread much but since I was tagged I can at least comment on what I have seen. If you are a permablocker, why would you run Impreg? Seems like a waste of a set. I mean a perma blocker in PvP usually has a purpose, to help with heal, to help with CC, to help with Debuffs or some other reason. Have yet to see a perma blocker that can do a lot of damage.
That being said, the amount of mitigation you get from a permablocking build, if done right, is enough to where you don't need critical resistance even if you can crit against shields, and from my testing you at the very least don't get a damage increase against blocked target. Not sure if its like with damage shield where it counts as a crit in regards to some set bonuses or other buffs but again it doesn't deal the extra damage so critical resistance is useless if you are wanting to perma block, or well at least against anything that is not a DoT that can't be blocked, and if you are a perma blocker you are usually in a group and someone is bound to have a purge for those.
But I will leave it at that since the main focus of the thread as it seems is suppose to be on Shacklebreaker. Which for stam and mag sorcs can be really good, gives a lot of sustain with the use of Dark Deal and Dark Exchange, but of course it also gives you max resources, power buffs and regen into both sides. And with the nerf to Amberplasm coming up at the very least for sorcs this might be the better option if you are looking for sustain. But obviously it gives you more than just sustain, not much in terms of damage increase but the fact that its a sustain set that also gives damage is a plus.
oh and btw, for the first bit of this comment, perma blockers only exist in CP PvP, you can't perma block in no CP PvP.
Actually, I was doing some testing, love it when I correct myself.... While doing some testing for other things I noticed you could crit when someone was blocking. I tested this on the PTS by having my wife hit me with light attacks, she had no passives at all nor armor sets and was hitting me with her firsts. I was blocking and I saw some of the hits did slightly more damage than the other, the damage increase was by 50%, aka it was a crit. So I was wrong. But my thought on critical resistance while having really high mitigation still stands.0 -
Anrose✭✭✭✭✭After reading through all of this, I feel like I'm vastly in the minority running Shacklebreaker on my stamina Templar. I haven't seen anyone even mention stamina Templar (probably because it's not one of the sexy classes and is rather hard to play).
I have gotten much better offensive stats with other sets, but this set feels very balanced on my Stamplar. Between Extended Ritual for the purges and Resolving Focus for defensive buffs, I use a good bit of magicka to stay alive. Having 12.6k magicka with close to 1000 magicka regen (after my sorc partner gives me Minor Intellect) has helped me through some hairy situations and get back on the offensive.
The stamina bonuses work very nicely in an offensive capacity. Like I said earlier, I could do better with other sets, but a vMA 2H and a Master's Bow help in the offensive department. And while numbers mean a lot and tell you a lot about a build, PvP brings other variables into play that cannot be measured objectively. A player's play style and overall feel will tell the player more than numbers ever will. If a build looks great on paper but isn't cutting it with how you play or doesn't feel right, chances are it isn't.
Shacklebreaker fits my innate play style like a glove, and I'm killing more people faster in my current gear than I was in my old gear. That's reason enough for ME to run it.1 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭After reading through all of this, I feel like I'm vastly in the minority running Shacklebreaker on my stamina Templar. I haven't seen anyone even mention stamina Templar (probably because it's not one of the sexy classes and is rather hard to play).
I have gotten much better offensive stats with other sets, but this set feels very balanced on my Stamplar. Between Extended Ritual for the purges and Resolving Focus for defensive buffs, I use a good bit of magicka to stay alive. Having 12.6k magicka with close to 1000 magicka regen (after my sorc partner gives me Minor Intellect) has helped me through some hairy situations and get back on the offensive.
The stamina bonuses work very nicely in an offensive capacity. Like I said earlier, I could do better with other sets, but a vMA 2H and a Master's Bow help in the offensive department. And while numbers mean a lot and tell you a lot about a build, PvP brings other variables into play that cannot be measured objectively. A player's play style and overall feel will tell the player more than numbers ever will. If a build looks great on paper but isn't cutting it with how you play or doesn't feel right, chances are it isn't.
Shacklebreaker fits my innate play style like a glove, and I'm killing more people faster in my current gear than I was in my old gear. That's reason enough for ME to run it.
I'm using it on a stamblade. They make heavy use of magica. Not sure I'd use it on anything else as far as Stam goes. Maybe warden. Ravager and bone pirate is too good on my stamplar for me to even look at anything else. The use of more purify will be nice though I guess.0 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭After reading through all of this, I feel like I'm vastly in the minority running Shacklebreaker on my stamina Templar. I haven't seen anyone even mention stamina Templar (probably because it's not one of the sexy classes and is rather hard to play).
I have gotten much better offensive stats with other sets, but this set feels very balanced on my Stamplar. Between Extended Ritual for the purges and Resolving Focus for defensive buffs, I use a good bit of magicka to stay alive. Having 12.6k magicka with close to 1000 magicka regen (after my sorc partner gives me Minor Intellect) has helped me through some hairy situations and get back on the offensive.
The stamina bonuses work very nicely in an offensive capacity. Like I said earlier, I could do better with other sets, but a vMA 2H and a Master's Bow help in the offensive department. And while numbers mean a lot and tell you a lot about a build, PvP brings other variables into play that cannot be measured objectively. A player's play style and overall feel will tell the player more than numbers ever will. If a build looks great on paper but isn't cutting it with how you play or doesn't feel right, chances are it isn't.
Shacklebreaker fits my innate play style like a glove, and I'm killing more people faster in my current gear than I was in my old gear. That's reason enough for ME to run it.
It's a good stamina Templar set. I like pairing it with bone piratehttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos0 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭What math are you talking about? This set is mid level dmg/sustain set for dks and templars who need to block as well as finish the kill. There are better options, like impregnable, for tank builds. Shacklebreaker set is easy to acquire and can be any armor class.
Btw best is relative.0 -
Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: ».NightbladeMechanics wrote: »freid.simonb16_ESO wrote: »For magDK it's an awsome set both for cp or non cp (in fact i use the same setup) and i use it with tristat food
Here are the stat (i have around 306 cp) with 5 shackle 5 sun
Why use Shackle in that build instead of Impreg or Riposte?
I agree with Riposte being an alternative, but I'm curious why everyone is gung-*** about Impregnable in a meta that is heavily reliant upon proc sets which cannot crit?
I'm not saying that Impregnable is a bad set, I just feel that in this meta there are other sets (such as Riposte as you mentioned) that would provide overall greater damage reduction.
Edit: Apparently the term gung- H - O is a naughty word.
Have you seen the 5 impreg 5 desert rose 7sturdy perma block dk?? Op man. Op.
Here's what confuses me, I thought you can't do crits/deal crit damage on block, so why if it's a "permablocker" would you run impregnable? The name must be misleading or I'm missing something
You absolutely can crit someone who is blocking.
The point of impregnable is to give you character enough crit resist so that every piece of armor can be another trait, e.g. Sturdy. 4% block cost redux is quite a bit. Since 2.5k crit resist is essentially 7 pieces of armor worth, then you can consider the 5pc impreg equivalent to the sum of the other trait, e.g. 28% block cost reduction.2 -
I've done some math on several sets for PvP:
Magicka DPS set+food comparison: Shackle, Seducer, Amberplasm, Alteration Mastery + WM/Trifood
It turns out that Witchmother's is a bad idea.Tri-food just beats it. Shacklebreaker isn't necessarily bad, but you need to combine it with another sustain set, such as Alteration Mastery or Lich. Combined with Amberplasm it gives an overkill of stam (sustain) and a lack of mag sustain2 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭AEAltadoonPadhome wrote: »I've done some math on several sets for PvP:
Magicka DPS set+food comparison: Shackle, Seducer, Amberplasm, Alteration Mastery + WM/Trifood
It turns out that Witchmother's is a bad idea.Tri-food just beats it. Shacklebreaker isn't necessarily bad, but you need to combine it with another sustain set, such as Alteration Mastery or Lich. Combined with Amberplasm it gives an overkill of stam (sustain) and a lack of mag sustain
You forgot to add 1096 mag on your shackle amber wm comparison.0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm running 5 shackelbreaker "shoulder, legs, waste, hands, and feet" 5 senche "bow, chest and jewelry" 1 Domihaus "head" and a maelstrom 2h maul with nirn Full buffed stats 13k max magic. 1700 magic recovery20k max health. 561 health recovery32k max Stam. 3500 Stam recoveryWeapon damage 4100 and critical at 41%Gold food, woodelf, vamp stats would be a little better with gold jewelry as well as all gold gear only weapons are gold atm also running the serpent Mundus Stone and my crit resistance is at 2333 and spell and physical resistance is 17000-18000 could be over 20k with heavy armor but you lose a little recovery and weapon damage but your survivability is a lot betterhttp://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/7372513
I really love this set tbh with my Stam NB I don't think I'll be going with anything else anytime soon but I do also enjoy running 5 senche, 5 hundings rage, 1 blood spawn, 1 Domihaus
And theses are the full buffed stats
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Adenoma✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Unfadingsilence , you can probably save some money and just run jewels of misrule instead of gold food if you're a vampire.Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma1 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Unfadingsilence , you can probably save some money and just run jewels of misrule instead of gold food if you're a vampire.
True but I also have 300+ gold food atm0
