immovable

lucky_Sage · October 2017

this ability needs to be reworked id suggest making it grant immovability buff for x seconds that's the base ability no major ward or resolve.
I think maybe make the ability cost 2600 mag and 2600 stam as option one or gives it a mag morph and stam morph heavy armor is for both resources types.
I like it cost both recourses the best and it makes it more unique

morph one - unwavering will grants minor protection
morph two - undying will grants minor vitality

Zophix · October 2017

Yeah I'd like to see it be something other than an armor/spell res buff.

lucky_Sage · October 2017

I propose about 6 to 8 sec buff but idk testing would have to be done

lucky_Sage · October 2017

morph one - increases constitution passive by 10% while active
could be that to

Soris · October 2017

Doesnt it already give 5 seconds of immovability?
Last time i checked it was lol.

5 seconds too low for 4k stamina though

lucky_Sage · October 2017

Soris wrote: »

Doesnt it already give 5 seconds of immovability?
Last time i checked it was lol.

5 seconds too low for 4k stamina though

its to knock downs so if I'm not wrong some cc still works like fear but could be wrong and snares work with it and itslike over 4300 stam cost

GeorgeBlack · October 2017

A cost reduction of 60% would do the job.
Having an Immovable buff that protects from CC for more than 5s is OP

lucky_Sage · October 2017

the armor buff is dumb though should do something else

paulsimonps · October 2017

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Doesnt it already give 5 seconds of immovability?
Last time i checked it was lol.

5 seconds too low for 4k stamina though

its to knock downs so if I'm not wrong some cc still works like fear but could be wrong and snares work with it and itslike over 4300 stam cost

It says "Knockback and Disabling effects".

Mystrius_Archaion · October 2017

It definitely costs too much and is a stamina skill, which medium armor focuses on more than heavy armor.
It definitely needs a magicka morph.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2017

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

It definitely costs too much and is a stamina skills, which medium armor focuses on more than heavy armor.
It definitely needs a magicka morph.

All other ways to get the major armor buffs are magic or health based, this is literally the only way to get them from a skill that costs stamia. Good variety. I am not counting suprise attack and the armor passives from a nb.

It just needs a cost reduction, it costs this much because there was a time that everyone use it, like everyone using shuffle. That time has passed with the advent of the 5 armor piece requirement. Just make it cost less than 3k and it will be fine.

Aquanova · October 2017

lucky_Sage wrote: »

morph one - increases constitution passive by 10% while active
could be that to

I agree with this as there needs to be some reason to slot this over class major ward/resolve skills that grant access to passives.

Mystrius_Archaion · October 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

It definitely costs too much and is a stamina skills, which medium armor focuses on more than heavy armor.
It definitely needs a magicka morph.

All other ways to get the major armor buffs are magic or health based, this is literally the only way to get them from a skill that costs stamia. Good variety. I am not counting suprise attack and the armor passives from a nb.

It just needs a cost reduction, it costs this much because there was a time that everyone use it, like everyone using shuffle. That time has passed with the advent of the 5 armor piece requirement. Just make it cost less than 3k and it will be fine.

It's from an armor skill line. It needs morphs to apply to all possible interested parties of this armor type.
Medium armor is for stamina. Light armor is for magicka. Heavy armor is for both magicka and stamina.

It needs a magicka morph.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2017

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

It definitely costs too much and is a stamina skills, which medium armor focuses on more than heavy armor.
It definitely needs a magicka morph.

All other ways to get the major armor buffs are magic or health based, this is literally the only way to get them from a skill that costs stamia. Good variety. I am not counting suprise attack and the armor passives from a nb.

It just needs a cost reduction, it costs this much because there was a time that everyone use it, like everyone using shuffle. That time has passed with the advent of the 5 armor piece requirement. Just make it cost less than 3k and it will be fine.

It's from an armor skill line. It needs morphs to apply to all possible interested parties of this armor type.
Medium armor is for stamina. Light armor is for magicka. Heavy armor is for both magicka and stamina.

It needs a magicka morph.

You want a magic morph, use your class skill.

Mystrius_Archaion · October 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

It definitely costs too much and is a stamina skills, which medium armor focuses on more than heavy armor.
It definitely needs a magicka morph.

All other ways to get the major armor buffs are magic or health based, this is literally the only way to get them from a skill that costs stamia. Good variety. I am not counting suprise attack and the armor passives from a nb.

It just needs a cost reduction, it costs this much because there was a time that everyone use it, like everyone using shuffle. That time has passed with the advent of the 5 armor piece requirement. Just make it cost less than 3k and it will be fine.

It's from an armor skill line. It needs morphs to apply to all possible interested parties of this armor type.
Medium armor is for stamina. Light armor is for magicka. Heavy armor is for both magicka and stamina.

It needs a magicka morph.

You want a magic morph, use your class skill.

Nightblades don't have such a reliable class skill because it's a passive that requires casting another skill in a specific skill line to refresh.
Also, no class gets the immunity to knockback and other CCs from skills. So why should stamina get the only one?

kookster · October 2017

I think the skill should do this:
Base Skill: 20 seconds cc immunity

Morph Ideas:
Morph 1: 15% reduced cost
Morph 2: Increase your spell and physical resistance by X for 10 seconds everytime a spell or ability would of CC'd you while this ability is active, stacking up to 5 times.
Morph 3: Magicka Morph.
Morph 4: Reduce the cost of CC breaking while this ability is active (Not slotted).

-- or --

Make it so its just giving flat bonuses to resistances that can stack with major resolve/ward. Cause as it stands, EVERY class has access to major ward/resolve which also give passive bonuses. This skill literally only gives major ward/resolve and 6 pathetic seconds of no CC.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2017

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

It definitely costs too much and is a stamina skills, which medium armor focuses on more than heavy armor.
It definitely needs a magicka morph.

All other ways to get the major armor buffs are magic or health based, this is literally the only way to get them from a skill that costs stamia. Good variety. I am not counting suprise attack and the armor passives from a nb.

It just needs a cost reduction, it costs this much because there was a time that everyone use it, like everyone using shuffle. That time has passed with the advent of the 5 armor piece requirement. Just make it cost less than 3k and it will be fine.

It's from an armor skill line. It needs morphs to apply to all possible interested parties of this armor type.
Medium armor is for stamina. Light armor is for magicka. Heavy armor is for both magicka and stamina.

It needs a magicka morph.

You want a magic morph, use your class skill.

Nightblades don't have such a reliable class skill because it's a passive that requires casting another skill in a specific skill line to refresh.
Also, no class gets the immunity to knockback and other CCs from skills. So why should stamina get the only one?

What decent NB tank does not use refreshing path or shades? They both are great skills for tanks.

WillhelmBlack · October 2017

You thought shuffle on tanks in Cyrodiil was bad. Just you wait! SnB ult, Unstoppable, SnB ult, rinse and repeat.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2017

No pay magic to be CC immune that would broke PvP heavy mDK would keep this up 100% no need to block and DoT you down + props. Just no.

Koensol · October 2017

kookster wrote: »

I think the skill should do this:
Base Skill: 20 seconds cc immunity

Take your pick of morph options:
Morph 1: 15% reduced cost
Morph 2: Increase your spell and physical resistance by X for 10 seconds everytime a spell or ability would of CC'd you while this ability is active, stacking up to 5 times.
Morph 3: Magicka Morph.
Morph 4: Reduce the cost of CC breaking while this ability is active (Not slotted).

-- or --

Make it so its just giving flat bonuses to resistances that can stack with major resolve/ward.

20 seconds of cc immunity without cooldown?? Do you realize how OP that would be? Blocktards don't need another tool to become more powerful. Please...

kookster · October 2017

Koensol wrote: »

20 seconds of cc immunity without cooldown?? Do you realize how OP that would be? Blocktards don't need another tool to become more powerful. Please...

"Blocktards" cant afford high costing stam abilities like this or their block goes down. And personally im not worried about someone that just perma blocks, they can't kill anyone.

lucky_Sage · October 2017

kookster wrote: »

I think the skill should do this:
Base Skill: 20 seconds cc immunity

Morph Ideas:
Morph 1: 15% reduced cost
Morph 2: Increase your spell and physical resistance by X for 10 seconds everytime a spell or ability would of CC'd you while this ability is active, stacking up to 5 times.
Morph 3: Magicka Morph.
Morph 4: Reduce the cost of CC breaking while this ability is active (Not slotted).

-- or --

Make it so its just giving flat bonuses to resistances that can stack with major resolve/ward. Cause as it stands, EVERY class has access to major ward/resolve which also give passive bonuses. This skill literally only gives major ward/resolve and 6 pathetic seconds of no CC.

why in the world should it be 20 secs of cc immune that's stupid op. and morph four you should of thought of that before typing give you 20sec of cc immune then reduce the cost fo breakfree so what ould yu be breaking free of lol

aeowulf · October 2017

Major ward/resolve is a bit of a waste on there, it's available to everyone via class skills.

Anazasi · October 2017

This ability was initially nerfed because it was too overpowered. It is possible now though with the armor abilities being fixed to only work with 5 piece bonus that this could be revisited. However, no one wants a spammable immovability ability. It would be like everyone having a spammable dodge chance up all the time. This game has been plagued far too long with the medium armor dodge buff. I think it's time ZOS revisit several of the utility buffs and fix them.

lucky_Sage · October 2017

Anazasi wrote: »

This ability was initially nerfed because it was too overpowered. It is possible now though with the armor abilities being fixed to only work with 5 piece bonus that this could be revisited. However, no one wants a spammable immovability ability. It would be like everyone having a spammable dodge chance up all the time. This game has been plagued far too long with the medium armor dodge buff. I think it's time ZOS revisit several of the utility buffs and fix them.

what kind of buff do you think it should be @Anazasi

Anazasi · October 2017

Well I don't think a CP should exist that attacks stat recovery. I think that type of mechanic only opens up exploits. What it should be I don't know. But siphoner was doggie dodo when it was introduced and even at 25% it's just golden doggie dodo.

Koensol · October 2017

kookster wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

20 seconds of cc immunity without cooldown?? Do you realize how OP that would be? Blocktards don't need another tool to become more powerful. Please...

"Blocktards" cant afford high costing stam abilities like this or their block goes down. And personally im not worried about someone that just perma blocks, they can't kill anyone.

Once every 20 seconds... Seriously, if you can't see how OP that is I don't know what to say.

xaraan · October 2017

Yeah, it used to be a go-to (OP) skill back in the day and they nerfed it to oblivion and made it useless. Now with the change to armor abilities, they should at least buff it to being useful again.

kookster · October 2017

I think evasion should be converted to reduction cost of roll dodge. Take out RNG.

Minor Evasion: Reduce the cost of roll dodge by 8%.
Major Evasion: Reduce the cost of roll dodge by 20%.

This synergies perfectly with medium armor.

I think Immovable should be just raw resistance increase, dont use major ward/resolve. So that way it can stack with your class abilities. And I would also change the morph that reduces the cost of CC break while slotted, to while active. I think that may make the ability good enough to consider.

Soris · October 2017

Maybe something similar to channelling focus ability? While active, restores X stamina and magicka per Y seconds for Z seconds. And its cost should be altered accordingly

Maulkin · October 2017

kookster wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

20 seconds of cc immunity without cooldown?? Do you realize how OP that would be? Blocktards don't need another tool to become more powerful. Please...

"Blocktards" cant afford high costing stam abilities like this or their block goes down. And personally im not worried about someone that just perma blocks, they can't kill anyone.

They don't need too. In BGs you can win by staying on flags or by controlling the Chaos Ball. You don't have to kill a single player to win and collect top points.

BGs are a valid game mode now so balancing has to take that into consideration.

So, try again.