TESO – the past, present and what will happen in the future?

Paganini · October 2017

Hello guys,

in the last weeks and months probably most of you guys have noticed that more and more people have left TESO.
Let me give you a quick overview about my „TESO-Backgrounds“:
I have been playing this game for 2,5 years. Within this time I’ve done almost everything in this game. PVE (progress raiding, semi-progress, casual), PVP (solo, progress and casual). I’ve been leading weekly raids for almost 1 year and i am currently leading a group through vHoF.

The biggest problem of TESO is: performance. Some months ago I’ve upgraded my old system (now i7 7700k, system + client on the same SSD, good internet connection, AMD RX 580) and the funny thing is: I’ve almost noticed no improvements.
Our biggest problem in vHoF for example aren’t the boss-mechanics – it’s the performance. Almost everytime at the Factotum (2nd boss) our tank gets high-ping-spikes during the split mechanic and it doesn’t matter who’s tanking. Or for example as soon as you reach the big room at the 4th boss EVERYONE in the raid has hardcore fps-drops down to 10 FPS and lower. We are raiding with completely different systems (CPU’s, Ram’s, graphic devices, router), different internet providers, different addons, PC’s optimized for gaming (no background software running)…. I also tried raiding without any addons, not only deactived – I also uninstalled all addons and their saved variables. The performance is still really bad, as soon as you’re doing group-content with more than 4 people – so PVE-Raids and PVP… The support is not really helpful: „Addons…. Ports.. new drivers…“ Do you guys know that „check your hardware“ „check your addons“ „ did you enable your ports“ are running gags nowadays?? And it doesn’t seems like there will be working performance-improvements in the future. During my time as raidlead I’ve lost so many good players because of those fps-drops and high-ping-spikes, I‘ve stopped counting them.

There are so many issues existing for such a long time:
Just the most common in
PVP:
- lags everywhere
- long loading screens in cyrodiil
- loading screens while using any charging abilities (just check out Feng Rushs gameplay videos and you’ll see how every player, getting those loading screens, reacts)
- no crosshairs while using siege-weapons

PVE:
- fps-drops in always the same areas
- micro lags, so light attacks won’t be registered
- vHRC left boss ( with the dogs/hounds) doesn’t respawn
- vSO portals at Manticore doesn’t show up/aren’t visible

Every PVE raid, you have to include almost half an hour just to get every client running and I am doing at least 1 break every 1,5h so people can restart their computer or clients, because the eso performance got so bad that it’s impossible to play. In PVP raids there is at least 1 person everytime who gets 4-5 long loading screens in a row until he/she just leaves the group „sorry guys, this is senseless and just a waste of time“.

People more and more get the feeling that you have „finished“ with improving the game and just create new „RP-content“ to make more money.

I mean, okay – I think it was like 5 months ago Matt Firor said TESO is not an MMORPG anymore. But to be honest: everyone I know playing ESO was laughing about this phrase. Did he ever play the game? Did he ever try to get a vMA weapon he required? Not only the whole endgame content is mmo-like (grinding hours and hours to get the right item, minimum-DPS to clear content, etc.). It’s like you’re buying a car and 2 years later you name it „bicycle“ – but it’s still a car.

Even most oft the popular streamers are slowly done with TESO.

„I am finding the game more and more stale, more and more pory run, and I just don’t really qualify giving the company my support, my money and my time“ (Blobs - Livestream 28.09.)

[snip]
Or the podcast of Ruben (@DaggerfallTradeMasters) , @Alcast , Kodi and @Hexys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQjLWGtBHg

I really recommend to take a look at those videos.

Yes, these are only some players, but their meaning is 100% representative for a lot of other players. To be honest: after you invited all those content creators to check out Morrowind, I was so happy. Because it seemed like you’re REALLY interested in improving the game together with the community. But now, 5 months later.. yeah.. I don’t know what to say. This game has such a high potential and it really hurts to see whats happening every patch.
Please, please, please take your time and LISTEN TO CONTENTCREATORS and consult their improvement suggestions!!

You can create the most beautiful game ever – if it runs like crap, nobody will be able to enjoy it.

I mean only those guys just running around, doing quests and playing ESO as a RP game, will never complain about those things. And I am pretty sure they also raise a big profit. Everybody knows:

no money -> no game.

But the way you’re currently acting will make sure that you’ll lose a lot of MMORPG players anytime soon.
You should think about your priorities. Instead of releasing one DLC after another, take your time to make a BIG PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PATCH for ESO.

Thanks for reading. Please try to spread this thread, so Zenimax gets a better imagination what's important for many players!

[Edited for bashing content]

duagloth · October 2017

Does fengrush still play?

ArchMikem · October 2017

I get what youre saying, and i did see over in the pts subforuj someone say they noticed a large performance improvement this time. But really, im not going to hinge my feelings about the game on the thoughts and actions of the streamers.

Especially Lord Exploiter.

Jade1986 · October 2017

AFter seeing what I saw today in cyro, and all these secret add ons floating around that no one knows what they are doing, I dont blame people.

Huyen · October 2017

Welcome to the real world OP...Nobody gives a crap unless they can make money with it.

Kneighbors · October 2017

I was starting same topics few months ago. Don't expect much support here on forums. Mostly you will see "pls give me your stuff" get a warning or two from forum mods etc.. In any case criticism is not welcome here.

I agree with everything you said and I myself enjoying the game much less since I got new gaming laptop worth 2000$ and saw 10 fps on 4th vHoF boss. This simply breaks any immersion for me. At the same time there huge variety of more beautiful game which give me 120 fps stable. Tbh i didn't even see any other game with such low fps on my laptop.

But i fully understand the devs. Just look in general discussions there's a guy who says he purchased crates worth 75,000 crowns and still can't get the mount he is after. My subscription pay is nothing compared to money investment of that guy. I can shout that I will cancel my sub because of poor performance 24/7 but while that guy pouring his money on ZoS noone will care about it. They will continue focus their efforts on releasing crown store content for that guy. He is paying for the dance and he is to choose the music.

I think we, as ESO community get exactly what we deserve.

mocap · October 2017

past - sorcs
present - sorcs
future - sorcs

MakoFore · October 2017

last year- they introduced crown crates- and that ended it for alot of players. not that in itself- but the massive profits they got form going away from a subsciption based business model to a store based business model, shifted their priorities greatly. the big profits they got- simpy changed their focus. past couple of years their cycle has been- and will be each quarter:
- Big zone for questing such as morrowind, wrothgar, etc.
- a QOL update, such as housing, one T.
- dungeon DLC, hist, horns, etc.
- a trial dlc with a trial and a coiuple dungeons.
-
in the past- there would be a constant- player pvp and balaance updates as well as addressing perforance. look at the patch notes from the forum site to a couple years ago- CONSTANT tweaks and balance imporvments, performance adjustments, they listened and cared- and did things about it. when was the last time anyone saw a gamemaster in game? they dont even play their own game anymore. sure the new dungeons are cool- but lets be honest, theyre lazy. this content isnt fresh- theyre re-using old assets and dressing them up with new skins, over and over. its what a gaming company does when they want to stretch their ingredients with limited resources.

theyre stil doing that- thats fine- but its resources are no longer focused on long term health of the game- but short term money making such as crown store. a business can onluy devote so many resources to so many issues. and having all their money invested in graphic designers instead of coders - has clearly paid off for them in their minds financially- but it clear this is a short term approach- andthe long term health of hte game is suffering , as evidenced by al the top streamers leaving, a year ago - 1000 or so viewers would be watcing eso at once- now it hits maybe 350 at peak hours. BDO hits like 3000.

in short - people are fed up with a game that has been out for 4 years performaing like a beta test. i play lots of other games- and they all have servers across the globe oceania, SEA, north europe, etc, etc that give a the enitre world good perfomance. obviously someone upstairs said: hey guys- we re not going for long term here- lets keep pumping out costumes and motifs and cash out while we can. its like a top restaurant selling pizza instead of going for 3 stars.
people always throw out-" theyre in it to make money man- its a business". sure - but there are different way s to make money. make it with a commerical blockbuster- or make a franchise. if your good- you can do both. this approach of crown crate crap?
sure it ll make them cash in the short term - good-o !
but a year ago- i felt this game could have been a game that lasted 10 years like WOW, and surpass it perhaps. it even had the potential to form an E-league with battlegrounds and be an E-sport. i know alot of players excited at where it was going. but since BG has come out- we stil dont have performance in those modes, a decent rating system, nor the option to even have custom tournaments, ranked games, casual games, and custom matches. we re not asking for the world with those things- those are features that shold and could have been knocked out in the time it takes to make a bloody buoyant armiger motif.
it could have been a game that inspired movies, adn a real global following, it had all the ingredients- lore, history, fan following, and a great original base game.

I havent even addressed the gaming and class balance issues. lets not go there. but i think few of us have confidence in the game ever being close to being as balanced in a game with 5 classes- when most games have like 30.

but theyve neglected the end game user, raised the floor and lowered the ceiling with every patch, bit by bit and STILL not addressed the *** poir performance and stability of the game. and no ZOS- adding more CP to our cap isnt looking after end gamers. when you add more CP, you make hte game easier- and then have to nerf skills - its a constant juggling act that is inherently flawed in its logic. they keep adding CP, and then wonder why they cant find the centre.
MMOS arent like normal games- people get right into them- form friendships, and communities, live thru them for many . for those of use that have put hours, weeks, months and years into this game- its truly dissappointing and sad.

Nithiel · October 2017

I totally agree with you, Paganini, and I sincerely and desperately hope there will eventually be taken actions. I really love the atmosphere and background of this game, and I also think there might be a lot of potential concerning the forthcoming content, but if they cannot solve these everlasting performance-problems, I can see no future for me. But I'm afraid that no one at Zenimax will care about these words. :-/

MehrunesFlagon · October 2017

I love Fegrush's views on zergs. sounds like my own.

mikecrci · October 2017

The map will eventually be filled out.

Matunnos · October 2017

I agree with @Paganini.

I would like to add that I still feel frustrated about the so called "update" Morrowind. It was in fact a very expensive DLC.

I am very skeptical that the performance is going to be improved, as long as the players buy enough crown boxes.
I am very sure that the majority of the faithful ESO players will leave this poorly supervised game as soon as competition appears on the horizon.

And I would like to have a real statement from the responsible people with a genuine, reasoned and credible perspective for the performance in ESO.

parkham · October 2017

I don't see the point of the thread. Keep playing if you're having fun - stop playing if you're not. So what if anyone leaves or joins.

ZOS_Mika · October 2017

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KramUzibra · October 2017

MakoFore wrote: »

last year- they introduced crown crates- and that ended it for alot of players. not that in itself- but the massive profits they got form going away from a subsciption based business model to a store based business model, shifted their priorities greatly. the big profits they got- simpy changed their focus. past couple of years their cycle has been- and will be each quarter:
- Big zone for questing such as morrowind, wrothgar, etc.
- a QOL update, such as housing, one T.
- dungeon DLC, hist, horns, etc.
- a trial dlc with a trial and a coiuple dungeons.
-
in the past- there would be a constant- player pvp and balaance updates as well as addressing perforance. look at the patch notes from the forum site to a couple years ago- CONSTANT tweaks and balance imporvments, performance adjustments, they listened and cared- and did things about it. when was the last time anyone saw a gamemaster in game? they dont even play their own game anymore. sure the new dungeons are cool- but lets be honest, theyre lazy. this content isnt fresh- theyre re-using old assets and dressing them up with new skins, over and over. its what a gaming company does when they want to stretch their ingredients with limited resources.

theyre stil doing that- thats fine- but its resources are no longer focused on long term health of the game- but short term money making such as crown store. a business can onluy devote so many resources to so many issues. and having all their money invested in graphic designers instead of coders - has clearly paid off for them in their minds financially- but it clear this is a short term approach- andthe long term health of hte game is suffering , as evidenced by al the top streamers leaving, a year ago - 1000 or so viewers would be watcing eso at once- now it hits maybe 350 at peak hours. BDO hits like 3000.

in short - people are fed up with a game that has been out for 4 years performaing like a beta test. i play lots of other games- and they all have servers across the globe oceania, SEA, north europe, etc, etc that give a the enitre world good perfomance. obviously someone upstairs said: hey guys- we re not going for long term here- lets keep pumping out costumes and motifs and cash out while we can. its like a top restaurant selling pizza instead of going for 3 stars.
people always throw out-" theyre in it to make money man- its a business". sure - but there are different way s to make money. make it with a commerical blockbuster- or make a franchise. if your good- you can do both. this approach of crown crate crap?
sure it ll make them cash in the short term - good-o !
but a year ago- i felt this game could have been a game that lasted 10 years like WOW, and surpass it perhaps. it even had the potential to form an E-league with battlegrounds and be an E-sport. i know alot of players excited at where it was going. but since BG has come out- we stil dont have performance in those modes, a decent rating system, nor the option to even have custom tournaments, ranked games, casual games, and custom matches. we re not asking for the world with those things- those are features that shold and could have been knocked out in the time it takes to make a bloody buoyant armiger motif.
it could have been a game that inspired movies, adn a real global following, it had all the ingredients- lore, history, fan following, and a great original base game.

I havent even addressed the gaming and class balance issues. lets not go there. but i think few of us have confidence in the game ever being close to being as balanced in a game with 5 classes- when most games have like 30.

but theyve neglected the end game user, raised the floor and lowered the ceiling with every patch, bit by bit and STILL not addressed the *** poir performance and stability of the game. and no ZOS- adding more CP to our cap isnt looking after end gamers. when you add more CP, you make hte game easier- and then have to nerf skills - its a constant juggling act that is inherently flawed in its logic. they keep adding CP, and then wonder why they cant find the centre.
MMOS arent like normal games- people get right into them- form friendships, and communities, live thru them for many . for those of use that have put hours, weeks, months and years into this game- its truly dissappointing and sad.

Maybe I'm reading them wrong but the steam charts shows slow growth since 2014

Balamoor · October 2017

KramUzibra wrote: »

Maybe I'm reading them wrong but the steam charts shows slow growth since 2014

Your'e not reading it wrong, the thing is no matter how much doom saying you see on the forums, the game is very profitable and has a large player base, I don't see that changing any time soon.

Sadly however complaining on forums is much more fun to some folks than any MMo could ever be, so expect more of it.

Alexandrious · October 2017

Paganini wrote: »

Hello guys,

in the last weeks and months probably most of you guys have noticed that more and more people have left TESO.
Let me give you a quick overview about my „TESO-Backgrounds“:
I have been playing this game for 2,5 years. Within this time I’ve done almost everything in this game. PVE (progress raiding, semi-progress, casual), PVP (solo, progress and casual). I’ve been leading weekly raids for almost 1 year and i am currently leading a group through vHoF.

The biggest problem of TESO is: performance. Some months ago I’ve upgraded my old system (now i7 7700k, system + client on the same SSD, good internet connection, AMD RX 580) and the funny thing is: I’ve almost noticed no improvements.
Our biggest problem in vHoF for example aren’t the boss-mechanics – it’s the performance. Almost everytime at the Factotum (2nd boss) our tank gets high-ping-spikes during the split mechanic and it doesn’t matter who’s tanking. Or for example as soon as you reach the big room at the 4th boss EVERYONE in the raid has hardcore fps-drops down to 10 FPS and lower. We are raiding with completely different systems (CPU’s, Ram’s, graphic devices, router), different internet providers, different addons, PC’s optimized for gaming (no background software running)…. I also tried raiding without any addons, not only deactived – I also uninstalled all addons and their saved variables. The performance is still really bad, as soon as you’re doing group-content with more than 4 people – so PVE-Raids and PVP… The support is not really helpful: „Addons…. Ports.. new drivers…“ Do you guys know that „check your hardware“ „check your addons“ „ did you enable your ports“ are running gags nowadays?? And it doesn’t seems like there will be working performance-improvements in the future. During my time as raidlead I’ve lost so many good players because of those fps-drops and high-ping-spikes, I‘ve stopped counting them.

There are so many issues existing for such a long time:
Just the most common in
PVP:
- lags everywhere
- long loading screens in cyrodiil
- loading screens while using any charging abilities (just check out Feng Rushs gameplay videos and you’ll see how every player, getting those loading screens, reacts)
- no crosshairs while using siege-weapons

PVE:
- fps-drops in always the same areas
- micro lags, so light attacks won’t be registered
- vHRC left boss ( with the dogs/hounds) doesn’t respawn
- vSO portals at Manticore doesn’t show up/aren’t visible

Every PVE raid, you have to include almost half an hour just to get every client running and I am doing at least 1 break every 1,5h so people can restart their computer or clients, because the eso performance got so bad that it’s impossible to play. In PVP raids there is at least 1 person everytime who gets 4-5 long loading screens in a row until he/she just leaves the group „sorry guys, this is senseless and just a waste of time“.

People more and more get the feeling that you have „finished“ with improving the game and just create new „RP-content“ to make more money.

I mean, okay – I think it was like 5 months ago Matt Firor said TESO is not an MMORPG anymore. But to be honest: everyone I know playing ESO was laughing about this phrase. Did he ever play the game? Did he ever try to get a vMA weapon he required? Not only the whole endgame content is mmo-like (grinding hours and hours to get the right item, minimum-DPS to clear content, etc.). It’s like you’re buying a car and 2 years later you name it „bicycle“ – but it’s still a car.

Even most oft the popular streamers are slowly done with TESO.

„I am finding the game more and more stale, more and more pory run, and I just don’t really qualify giving the company my support, my money and my time“ (Blobs - Livestream 28.09.)

[snip]
Or the podcast of Ruben (@DaggerfallTradeMasters) , @Alcast , Kodi and @Hexys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQjLWGtBHg

I really recommend to take a look at those videos.

Yes, these are only some players, but their meaning is 100% representative for a lot of other players. To be honest: after you invited all those content creators to check out Morrowind, I was so happy. Because it seemed like you’re REALLY interested in improving the game together with the community. But now, 5 months later.. yeah.. I don’t know what to say. This game has such a high potential and it really hurts to see whats happening every patch.
Please, please, please take your time and LISTEN TO CONTENTCREATORS and consult their improvement suggestions!!

You can create the most beautiful game ever – if it runs like crap, nobody will be able to enjoy it.

I mean only those guys just running around, doing quests and playing ESO as a RP game, will never complain about those things. And I am pretty sure they also raise a big profit. Everybody knows:

no money -> no game.

But the way you’re currently acting will make sure that you’ll lose a lot of MMORPG players anytime soon.
You should think about your priorities. Instead of releasing one DLC after another, take your time to make a BIG PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PATCH for ESO.

Thanks for reading. Please try to spread this thread, so Zenimax gets a better imagination what's important for many players!

[Edited for bashing content]

Lad, you really dont see it yet? Zenimax is pulling the same *** the optimization disaster, TERA, is doing. Only with a few differences, im sure you can guess what they are.

They probably making fallout online and not giving a damn anyway.

Kneighbors · October 2017

Alexandrious wrote: »

Paganini wrote: »

Hello guys,

in the last weeks and months probably most of you guys have noticed that more and more people have left TESO.
Let me give you a quick overview about my „TESO-Backgrounds“:
I have been playing this game for 2,5 years. Within this time I’ve done almost everything in this game. PVE (progress raiding, semi-progress, casual), PVP (solo, progress and casual). I’ve been leading weekly raids for almost 1 year and i am currently leading a group through vHoF.

The biggest problem of TESO is: performance. Some months ago I’ve upgraded my old system (now i7 7700k, system + client on the same SSD, good internet connection, AMD RX 580) and the funny thing is: I’ve almost noticed no improvements.
Our biggest problem in vHoF for example aren’t the boss-mechanics – it’s the performance. Almost everytime at the Factotum (2nd boss) our tank gets high-ping-spikes during the split mechanic and it doesn’t matter who’s tanking. Or for example as soon as you reach the big room at the 4th boss EVERYONE in the raid has hardcore fps-drops down to 10 FPS and lower. We are raiding with completely different systems (CPU’s, Ram’s, graphic devices, router), different internet providers, different addons, PC’s optimized for gaming (no background software running)…. I also tried raiding without any addons, not only deactived – I also uninstalled all addons and their saved variables. The performance is still really bad, as soon as you’re doing group-content with more than 4 people – so PVE-Raids and PVP… The support is not really helpful: „Addons…. Ports.. new drivers…“ Do you guys know that „check your hardware“ „check your addons“ „ did you enable your ports“ are running gags nowadays?? And it doesn’t seems like there will be working performance-improvements in the future. During my time as raidlead I’ve lost so many good players because of those fps-drops and high-ping-spikes, I‘ve stopped counting them.

There are so many issues existing for such a long time:
Just the most common in
PVP:
- lags everywhere
- long loading screens in cyrodiil
- loading screens while using any charging abilities (just check out Feng Rushs gameplay videos and you’ll see how every player, getting those loading screens, reacts)
- no crosshairs while using siege-weapons

PVE:
- fps-drops in always the same areas
- micro lags, so light attacks won’t be registered
- vHRC left boss ( with the dogs/hounds) doesn’t respawn
- vSO portals at Manticore doesn’t show up/aren’t visible

Every PVE raid, you have to include almost half an hour just to get every client running and I am doing at least 1 break every 1,5h so people can restart their computer or clients, because the eso performance got so bad that it’s impossible to play. In PVP raids there is at least 1 person everytime who gets 4-5 long loading screens in a row until he/she just leaves the group „sorry guys, this is senseless and just a waste of time“.

People more and more get the feeling that you have „finished“ with improving the game and just create new „RP-content“ to make more money.

I mean, okay – I think it was like 5 months ago Matt Firor said TESO is not an MMORPG anymore. But to be honest: everyone I know playing ESO was laughing about this phrase. Did he ever play the game? Did he ever try to get a vMA weapon he required? Not only the whole endgame content is mmo-like (grinding hours and hours to get the right item, minimum-DPS to clear content, etc.). It’s like you’re buying a car and 2 years later you name it „bicycle“ – but it’s still a car.

Even most oft the popular streamers are slowly done with TESO.

„I am finding the game more and more stale, more and more pory run, and I just don’t really qualify giving the company my support, my money and my time“ (Blobs - Livestream 28.09.)

[snip]
Or the podcast of Ruben (@DaggerfallTradeMasters) , @Alcast , Kodi and @Hexys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQjLWGtBHg

I really recommend to take a look at those videos.

Yes, these are only some players, but their meaning is 100% representative for a lot of other players. To be honest: after you invited all those content creators to check out Morrowind, I was so happy. Because it seemed like you’re REALLY interested in improving the game together with the community. But now, 5 months later.. yeah.. I don’t know what to say. This game has such a high potential and it really hurts to see whats happening every patch.
Please, please, please take your time and LISTEN TO CONTENTCREATORS and consult their improvement suggestions!!

You can create the most beautiful game ever – if it runs like crap, nobody will be able to enjoy it.

I mean only those guys just running around, doing quests and playing ESO as a RP game, will never complain about those things. And I am pretty sure they also raise a big profit. Everybody knows:

no money -> no game.

But the way you’re currently acting will make sure that you’ll lose a lot of MMORPG players anytime soon.
You should think about your priorities. Instead of releasing one DLC after another, take your time to make a BIG PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PATCH for ESO.

Thanks for reading. Please try to spread this thread, so Zenimax gets a better imagination what's important for many players!

[Edited for bashing content]

Lad, you really dont see it yet? Zenimax is pulling the same *** the optimization disaster, TERA, is doing. Only with a few differences, im sure you can guess what they are.

They probably making fallout online and not giving a damn anyway.

If they are making Fallout Online I will sub for ESO from now on without even playing it

LadyLethalla · October 2017

I just finished platinuming Dishonoured 2 on the weekend, which meant 2 solid days of playing it to get the last trophies. When I finally got it, I went back to ESO... and the lag.

The LAG. Just riding around. Not attacking anything. Every few seconds.
That, coupled with the fact that pretty much everything I have left to do in it requires a group (and I like to do a lot, solo) means I'm losing interest fast. I've a few achievements (such as DLC fishing) that I still want to complete, but I am not for a second, going to waste time trying to PVP (I can't in Vivec, because just like about a year ago, I get disconnected any time there's 10+ people in the same area), or try to get the remaining Vet Dungeon achievements in a PUG. As for trials? Pffft, I haven't even tried to get in a group for NHoF. Or, for that matter, try to complete VMA.
What's the point, if the lag's that bad?

I would say, when Shadow of War comes out, I'll only be logging in to pay guild dues/ do writs etc.

Yarlenzey · October 2017

I hope that you are not intelligent. They don't like intelligence here.

PrimordialOdd · October 2017

Has no one brought this to their twitter page? Be a lot easier to get word and attention to it- I myself never was really a mmorpg player til ESO, and I loved it.. til I started getting into more of the game besides questing and exploration. I was lagging so bad, screen crashes, glitches, and when I see a update it's like 'yayyyy' til you see it's just more roughly 90% of the time a crown store thing which I have to pay. Even WoW played better and I wasn't even playing much, compared tinny little brothers. I've seen incredible things in it, performance's amazing and even RNG wasn't too bad. Why isn't ESO trying to keep their customers and grow more instead of robbing us

PrimordialOdd · October 2017

Aforementioned post, if i said anything wrong I apologize- I'm still new to here and learning as I read and go

pkuronen · October 2017

I've had zero problems with performance nowdays. Earlier when you we're queuing for dungeon you'd get lag spikes but now it's been smooth as butter for me. Some update must have fixed it. Athough I haven't done the trial in question so cannot comment on that.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · October 2017

The Past = ***
The Present= Meh
The Future = Lies

Azurya · October 2017

Paganini wrote: »

Hello guys,

in the last weeks and months probably most of you guys have noticed that more and more people have left TESO.

Which is not true, in fact we have more active players as one year ago, which you could have known if you did some research before you write such a post.
But no, you wouldn´t, you just want to stand in the light by wrapping the whole thing around a story were the first line is already not true.

Sorry, don´t understand that..........

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2017

Paganini wrote: »

in the last weeks and months probably most of you guys have noticed that more and more people have left TESO.

No. All I see is new players, returning players, crowded places, busy groups and new guilds all over the place.

Paganini wrote: »

Even most oft the popular streamers are slowly done with TESO.
„I am finding the game more and more stale, more and more pory run, and I just don’t really qualify giving the company my support, my money and my time“ (Blobs - Livestream 28.09.)

ONE guy who's been playing 20/7 for 3.5 years without hardly any break, suddenly quits and starts bashing ZOS and ESO. Go figure ? He burnt himself out and prefers to accuse the game and the devs instead of questioning himself.

Paganini · October 2017

KramUzibra wrote: »

Maybe I'm reading them wrong but the steam charts shows slow growth since 2014

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paganini wrote: »

in the last weeks and months probably most of you guys have noticed that more and more people have left TESO.

No. All I see is new players, returning players, crowded places, busy groups and new guilds all over the place.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Yeah, thats right. The amount of people playing is higher than at the beginning of ESO ( comparison of 2014/2015 and now) - which is pretty normal, because it was getting more and more known. But i started my thread with "in the last weeks and months" - and if you compare the last 1/2 - 3/4 year, you'll see that ESO has lost a lot of players. And that are only the login-datas registered by steam. This doesn't implement the people playing without their TESO-account connected to steam. As far as i know from friends playing on consoles, they also got seriously performance issues.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2017

Paganini wrote: »

Yeah, thats right. The amount of people playing is higher than at the beginning of ESO ( comparison of 2014/2015 and now) - which is pretty normal, because it was getting more and more known. But i started my thread with "in the last weeks and months" - and if you compare the last 1/2 - 3/4 year, you'll see that ESO has lost a lot of players. And that are only the login-datas registered by steam. This doesn't implement the people playing without their TESO-account connected to steam. As far as i know from friends playing on consoles, they also got seriously performance issues.

Steam only registers a small portion of PC players only. That's not representative at all of the overall ESO population, about which we have no quantitative data at all - only ZOS has them. As a result, we can only guess from impression and feelings in the game, because that's all we have.
I understand that you want to whine and complain about ESO and that's okay if that's how you feel, but don't try to back it up with any sort of population trending. Or streamer ranting.

Miswar · October 2017

How about you check guild rosters than. There are definitely 40-60% less active people. There used to be close to 200 active PvP players in couple of the guilds I'am. The active number well 60-80. Checked and people have not logged in for 2-3 weeks and these were daily players.

Also the guild traders you can check easily how the active members have taken hit recent weeks. A lot of people not logged for weeks now.

This can be backed up by sales as well. They are down significantly and even some guild leaders there stated that less and less people contributing into guild bank due to absence.

You say that population has not been hit hard well I disagree. At least in EU consoles it has taken hard hit.

Local guild had +30 very active players in voice chat. Nowdays the chat number is down to 3-5 people. Bulk of these players not logged in for weeks either and few just to do occasional writs.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2017

Miswar wrote: »

How about you check guild rosters than.

Guild roster population highly depends on how the guild is run, whether inactive members are being kicked or not, and whether and how new members are actively being recruited.
That's not an indicator of the overall game population by any mean.

SirAxen · October 2017

It's an MMORPG. People come and go by the day.