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What is wrong with TESO community?
anchutu
Soul Shriven
Hello everyone. I have been playing this game for a few months and there's an issue that has been bugging me for a while now that I'd like to discuss with older players. I want to put my thoughts as complete as possible, so this may get long, please bear with me.
So when i was about lvl 30 i started getting interested in trials. Initially I thought those were for CP players, but i discovered that I was able to enter them. I have been playing MMOs for quite some time and usually when you meet the requirements to enter a raid, Its because the developers deemed that it was doable at said lvl. And at first it looked like the case. I went my first trial at lvl 35 with a guild and completed it without any wipes. What surprised me was that we were 5 people below 50, so we had a hard time filling the group cause people said we wouldnt be able to do it, and yet we completed it no problem. Granted, it was nSO, which i hear is the easiest, but still many people thought we couldnt do it.
After that I didnt join any other trials with guild because they started doing nMOL and I dont have the dlc. Thing is, I started talking to people about trials and the common belief is that for normal trials you need to be +160cp. To me this came as a bit of a shock, considering i did my first trial at lvl 35, but since i only knew nSO, i accepted it.
Some time later, i finally got to lvl 50 and i waited until cp 80 to start doing veteran dungeons. I was healer, and i did a few without having any issues. This was until I met a dps in a dungeon who died because he jumped in front of a boss attack and got 1 shotted, and naturally he blamed me and told me i was too low for vet dungeon (i was cp 88 at the time). I confronted him, and told him that i had been healing with no problems, and that if he thought cp 88 was too low, maybe it was because he was bad. He responded me by linking all his gear, and that's when my fears became more tangible.
From the little time i have spent in this game, it seems to me that many people don't care about team work, boss mechanics or skill, and they simply believe that a good geared player is a good player. As a result, they set very high minimun requirements for pve in order to make up for the fact that they suck. Now, i have played World of Warcraft for many years, and I understand the importance of good gear lvl, but i also know that there's a lot more to it than that, and that a good group of players can reach end game content with crappy gear.
Anyway, that's all i have to say about that, thank you very much for reading all the way to the end. I would really love to hear more about this from older and more experienced players. Is this frequent? Does it happen more likely outside guilds? Or am I simply wrong, and those requirements for trials and vet dungeons are high for a reason?
So when i was about lvl 30 i started getting interested in trials. Initially I thought those were for CP players, but i discovered that I was able to enter them. I have been playing MMOs for quite some time and usually when you meet the requirements to enter a raid, Its because the developers deemed that it was doable at said lvl. And at first it looked like the case. I went my first trial at lvl 35 with a guild and completed it without any wipes. What surprised me was that we were 5 people below 50, so we had a hard time filling the group cause people said we wouldnt be able to do it, and yet we completed it no problem. Granted, it was nSO, which i hear is the easiest, but still many people thought we couldnt do it.
After that I didnt join any other trials with guild because they started doing nMOL and I dont have the dlc. Thing is, I started talking to people about trials and the common belief is that for normal trials you need to be +160cp. To me this came as a bit of a shock, considering i did my first trial at lvl 35, but since i only knew nSO, i accepted it.
Some time later, i finally got to lvl 50 and i waited until cp 80 to start doing veteran dungeons. I was healer, and i did a few without having any issues. This was until I met a dps in a dungeon who died because he jumped in front of a boss attack and got 1 shotted, and naturally he blamed me and told me i was too low for vet dungeon (i was cp 88 at the time). I confronted him, and told him that i had been healing with no problems, and that if he thought cp 88 was too low, maybe it was because he was bad. He responded me by linking all his gear, and that's when my fears became more tangible.
From the little time i have spent in this game, it seems to me that many people don't care about team work, boss mechanics or skill, and they simply believe that a good geared player is a good player. As a result, they set very high minimun requirements for pve in order to make up for the fact that they suck. Now, i have played World of Warcraft for many years, and I understand the importance of good gear lvl, but i also know that there's a lot more to it than that, and that a good group of players can reach end game content with crappy gear.
Anyway, that's all i have to say about that, thank you very much for reading all the way to the end. I would really love to hear more about this from older and more experienced players. Is this frequent? Does it happen more likely outside guilds? Or am I simply wrong, and those requirements for trials and vet dungeons are high for a reason?
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Chronicburn✭✭✭✭I haven't had a lot of trouble with the community (other than problems I started myself) ... but there's one overarching problem
Too much diversity. I feel like to maximize profits, eso tried to be a great game for all types of players, so they ended up not being great at any. In doing so they brought together people who like various aspects of the game, almost all of which are dissatisfied with the portion of the game they came for, leading to arguments over what needs fixing, nerf or buff, focus on housing or pvp or end game whatever. In the end no one is happy and the game (which is beautiful and fun) just ends up with a "vanilla" feeling.14 -
Denyiir✭✭✭✭Well people blaming healer for their death is not really only an eso thing is it? It will happen even if it's not your fault and even when you get higher cps rank so just ignore it.
Also if you want to read some real salt roll stam nb and jump into Cyro
You'll see eso community at its best xD 4 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You're in the wrong guild . You need to find one that suits your playstyle and that takes time .10 -
MakeMeUhSamich✭✭✭✭✭The guilds I'm in "suggest" a minimum 160cp mainly for the participants' benefit-related to gear drops. Would totally suck to get a great Moondancer drop only to completely out level it in two hours.16 -
PurpleDrank✭✭✭Most of the people I've met in game are decent people. The people like those you mentioned, or the type that will leave a group because the healer is the wrong class etc., in my experience are the minority. Unfortunately the bad ones tend to have more of a lasting impression. Take your vet dungeon example. You talk about the suicidal dps from one run, but not about the people in the good runs, or the other two in that run. My guess is that they weren't jerks and so don't stick in your mind as much as Mr. "check out my armour". And I think you're right. The people that scream loudest about needing X champion points, or needing a templar healer, or a dk tank, are always the first to go off when something goes wrong, and they usually aren't helping that much themselves.
Not really much you can do about it unfortunately, other than block the anuses when you encounter them. Though I have found saying hi at the beginning of a dungeon is always good. In my experience (and this is purely anecdotal) the people who don't say hi back are the ones that later become an issue if something goes wrong.9 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello everyone. I have been playing this game for a few months and there's an issue that has been bugging me for a while now that I'd like to discuss with older players. I want to put my thoughts as complete as possible, so this may get long, please bear with me.
So when i was about lvl 30 i started getting interested in trials. Initially I thought those were for CP players, but i discovered that I was able to enter them. I have been playing MMOs for quite some time and usually when you meet the requirements to enter a raid, Its because the developers deemed that it was doable at said lvl. And at first it looked like the case. I went my first trial at lvl 35 with a guild and completed it without any wipes. What surprised me was that we were 5 people below 50, so we had a hard time filling the group cause people said we wouldnt be able to do it, and yet we completed it no problem. Granted, it was nSO, which i hear is the easiest, but still many people thought we couldnt do it.
After that I didnt join any other trials with guild because they started doing nMOL and I dont have the dlc. Thing is, I started talking to people about trials and the common belief is that for normal trials you need to be +160cp. To me this came as a bit of a shock, considering i did my first trial at lvl 35, but since i only knew nSO, i accepted it.
Some time later, i finally got to lvl 50 and i waited until cp 80 to start doing veteran dungeons. I was healer, and i did a few without having any issues. This was until I met a dps in a dungeon who died because he jumped in front of a boss attack and got 1 shotted, and naturally he blamed me and told me i was too low for vet dungeon (i was cp 88 at the time). I confronted him, and told him that i had been healing with no problems, and that if he thought cp 88 was too low, maybe it was because he was bad. He responded me by linking all his gear, and that's when my fears became more tangible.
From the little time i have spent in this game, it seems to me that many people don't care about team work, boss mechanics or skill, and they simply believe that a good geared player is a good player. As a result, they set very high minimun requirements for pve in order to make up for the fact that they suck. Now, i have played World of Warcraft for many years, and I understand the importance of good gear lvl, but i also know that there's a lot more to it than that, and that a good group of players can reach end game content with crappy gear.
Anyway, that's all i have to say about that, thank you very much for reading all the way to the end. I would really love to hear more about this from older and more experienced players. Is this frequent? Does it happen more likely outside guilds? Or am I simply wrong, and those requirements for trials and vet dungeons are high for a reason?
Easy fix: Nut up and get used to idiots
It isn't unique to ESO, wow had tons of it. The rigid level structure took out that excuse though.
That guild nSO the low levels were mostly carried but also only a normal run. CP 160+ tends to be more intended on everyone having their full skills. Unlike wow, a Max lvl char could have nothing morphed or learned to do sufficient.
But like I said, easy fix to deal with pricks in groups is to grow a pair and move on with life2 -
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✭✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »I haven't had a lot of trouble with the community (other than problems I started myself) ... but there's one overarching problem
Too much diversity. I feel like to maximize profits, eso tried to be a great game for all types of players, so they ended up not being great at any. In doing so they brought together people who like various aspects of the game, almost all of which are dissatisfied with the portion of the game they came for, leading to arguments over what needs fixing, nerf or buff, focus on housing or pvp or end game whatever. In the end no one is happy and the game (which is beautiful and fun) just ends up with a "vanilla" feeling.
You're talking about MMOs in a nutshell. You'll be hard pressed to find an MMO where the people that enjoy it aren't also complaining about something. If you find an MMO that no one is complaining about, you just found yourself a "ded gaem".
I always say, "if people aren't complaining, they're not happy".3 -
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✭✭I find that this happens a LOT more here than in other MMOs. I think it's mostly because other MMOs have a dedicated class system, and they have dungeons every 10 levels or so, so people aren't too concerned with how other people are geared up, just that they can do a good job. TERA was the game I came from before this, and that was based on skill more than on gear. (although, Tera had a lot of overpowered **** in each of their newer classes.)Edited by SilverIce58 on September 24, 2017 10:47PMPC - NACP 1125
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Autumnhart✭✭✭✭... As a result, they set very high minimun requirements for pve in order to make up for the fact that they suck.
You've answered your own question. People are afraid to fail, and eighty-something CP looks like a risk.
A compounding issue is that the game requires people to do content we don't like or want to spend any time on in order to get things we want for the content we do like and want to spend time on. So some percentage of people running vet dungeons just want to get it over with as quickly as possible, and they want to maximize their chances of getting whatever-it-is so they don't have to run the thing again. CP eighty-something may make the run slower, and definitely won't be able to trade or sell usable gear.
At least with guildmates this is all upfront. If you're getting a lot of that, try a different guild. Smart ones will invest the time to help lower-level guildies get dungeon experience.Shadow hide you.8 -
Malic✭✭✭✭✭
✭I cant speak for anyone else although Im going to and reflect accurately what their problem is but first let me tell you what my problem is.
I, am an ugly stinking mug.
Everyone else? They are purveyors of filth, emboldened by the anonymity afforded by the internet.
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Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Honestly the TESO community as a whole is better than most MMOs I've played.
And expect people to judge you instantly on your CP, it's generally a good gauge of whether you can handle the content or not.2 -
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✭My issue with taking >160 CP players into a group doing a content that can potentially drop good weapons: They won't be 160 CP, so pretty much useless. I've seen CP160 moondancer swords sold for 500k+. Sucks to drop that one in 80 CP.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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✭✭✭✭✭Welcome to ESO. There are good people around but there are a ton of toxic a holes.5 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's not that content can't be completed at low levels, it's that one's level is also reflective of experience which is suggestive of aptitude.
That is to say, a CP capped player is more likely to know how to do things than a player whose max level character is 10. But there are CP capped players who aren't very good or experienced and there are low level characters played by strong gamers and can learn anything quickly.
In MMOs, there's a lot of grinding. Players want to do that as quickly as possible and therefore develop a sense of time urgency. They don't have time to vet everyone individually, so they narrow the scope via requirements.
If you want to be judged by who you are and what you bring to the table, I suggest you make friends to play with and/or join a guild. I don't ever use the group finder because I don't want to have to deal with the problems that come with interacting with people grouped together completely at random without regard for personality, goals, experience, etc...
Also, MMOs make people crazy.
Edited by zyk on September 24, 2017 11:48PM3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Normal rials don't really have a requirement. However, some groups may be willing to bring lower levels while others may not. It's a choice and really dependent on how well the group normally does. Certainly pugging into a group in Zone chat would probably provide lesss opportunity than via guilds.
Also, at level 30 one lacks available skills and passives. Not even taking CP into account, the character is weaker as a result. A lvl 30 played would certainly be carried in most groups since their contribution would be low.1 -
anchutuSoul ShrivenThanks to everyone for your answers! I have to say I'm a bit dissapointed because everyone mentions 160cp for sharing gear, and the grind and yet crazy as it may be, it's hard to look for players who want to do trials just for fun, after all this is a game. And about guild, i do have an awesome guild with nice people, but even them don't want to do low lvl trials so this seems to be a global issue.
Maybe i can make a difference myself by doing trials for newbies when Im high cp. It may be hard, but i believe doable, and I always welcome a new challenge. Until then, to keep grinding and learning
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akl77✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honestly there's nothing wrong with a low level healer or tank or dps, cos dungeons will scale you up.
What's lacking would be the experience and skills, if you or they are skilled and well experienced, level 10 can easily beat hard dungeons.
People blame healer or tank for their death, and the people that blame usually are ***, any decent people when seeing some fake healer or tank would just leave the group instead of blame others.
Also, the ESO community are made up of all kinds of people, some drunk, some ex prisoners, some criminals, some that don't care or value another people. So don't assume you'll meet everyone like you.
I'd say 60% of the time you'll meet people that are mean and bad in dungeons.
So yea, maybe best to stick with the guild and play with guild mates if you don't want to get so much criticism and meanness from people. Until you are very experienced, skilled and high level maybe, so they won't have anything to blame but themselves.
When I was inexperienced and low level I get a lot of the blame too, now not so much hardly ever.Pc na1 -
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Blaming healer is an MMO thing.Well people blaming healer for their death is not really only an eso thing is it? It will happen even if it's not your fault and even when you get higher cps rank so just ignore it.
Also if you want to read some real salt roll stam nb and jump into Cyro You'll see eso community at its best xD
Probably as old as the trinity with tank healer and dd.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.2 -
Alexandrious✭✭✭
Blaming healer is an MMO thing.Well people blaming healer for their death is not really only an eso thing is it? It will happen even if it's not your fault and even when you get higher cps rank so just ignore it.
Also if you want to read some real salt roll stam nb and jump into Cyro You'll see eso community at its best xD
Probably as old as the trinity with tank healer and dd.
Its true!
DD Dies to mechanic. Blame the Healer.
DD Dies to Red Carpet, Blame the Healer.
DD Falls off arena into bottomless pit. Blame the Healer.
Tank dodges when he shoulda blocked. Blame the Healer.
DPS that has a powerful self heal, dies because he stupidly ran out of magicka. Blame the Healer.
Have to be Vampire/Werewolf to do job properly. Blame the healer.
Went afk all of a sudden and come back dead. Blame the healer.
Forgot to repair your equipment. Blame the healer for rushing ya!
Full inventory. Blame the healer for not having Summonable Merchant.
I could keep going, but it take all day.
Lulz.7 -
gronoxvx✭✭✭✭✭No matter where you go you’ll always meet complete *** in this game. But ive found that for every *** ive run into there are at least 10 or so awesome players to balance it out.3 -
tinythinker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alexandrious wrote: »
Blaming healer is an MMO thing.Well people blaming healer for their death is not really only an eso thing is it? It will happen even if it's not your fault and even when you get higher cps rank so just ignore it.
Also if you want to read some real salt roll stam nb and jump into Cyro You'll see eso community at its best xD
Probably as old as the trinity with tank healer and dd.
Its true!
DD Dies to mechanic. Blame the Healer.
DD Dies to Red Carpet, Blame the Healer.
DD Falls off arena into bottomless pit. Blame the Healer.
Tank dodges when he shoulda blocked. Blame the Healer.
DPS that has a powerful self heal, dies because he stupidly ran out of magicka. Blame the Healer.
Have to be Vampire/Werewolf to do job properly. Blame the healer.
Went afk all of a sudden and come back dead. Blame the healer.
Forgot to repair your equipment. Blame the healer for rushing ya!
Full inventory. Blame the healer for not having Summonable Merchant.
I could keep going, but it take all day.
Lulz.
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DosPanchos✭✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »I haven't had a lot of trouble with the community (other than problems I started myself) ... but there's one overarching problem
Too much diversity. I feel like to maximize profits, eso tried to be a great game for all types of players, so they ended up not being great at any. In doing so they brought together people who like various aspects of the game, almost all of which are dissatisfied with the portion of the game they came for, leading to arguments over what needs fixing, nerf or buff, focus on housing or pvp or end game whatever. In the end no one is happy and the game (which is beautiful and fun) just ends up with a "vanilla" feeling.
This is the best diagnosis of the state of the game I have ever seen.2 -
Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭
What exactly did they link?I confronted him, and told him that i had been healing with no problems, and that if he thought cp 88 was too low, maybe it was because he was bad. He responded me by linking all his gear, and that's when my fears became more tangible.
Because if there were vMA weapon, well... Actually, adequate response. vMA weapons + meta gear are indicator of the at least decent player.
The problem with ESO - you actually don't have much ways to prove that you're good, if someone starts talking rubbish. Skins can be obtained through being a carry for gold, in fact most titles can be obtained while carried. Unless you have "Flawless Conquerer" - well. Yep. Linking the gear it is - the only way to say "I know the meta and what's going on here". Which is already more than can be said about the majority of players, tbh. Though, of course, not an indicator of skill.
Also, gear is very important. And awesome gear will drag even bad player to the level of some decency. So no. It's not:
It is that, frankly speaking, when RLs gather people for normal trial, they want fast run. Normal doesn't deserve anything more, to be honest. And if I want fast run, trust me, I will chose high-CP healer with SPC + Worm over <160CP "special snowflake" every single time. Frankly - I don't care how good this "high-CP healer with SPC + Worm" is. He can be slow and prone to panicking - in normal good build with SPC + Worm will pretty much heal on its own. As RL, I'll just say, 'Everyone stack, healer, spam Springs' - and that's it. We will survive everything.As a result, they set very high minimun requirements for pve in order to make up for the fact that they suck.
"Special snowflake" is always a risk. Why should I take it, if I have perfectly reliable alternative?English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.2 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hello everyone. I have been playing this game for a few months and there's an issue that has been bugging me for a while now that I'd like to discuss with older players. I want to put my thoughts as complete as possible, so this may get long, please bear with me.
So when i was about lvl 30 i started getting interested in trials. Initially I thought those were for CP players, but i discovered that I was able to enter them. I have been playing MMOs for quite some time and usually when you meet the requirements to enter a raid, Its because the developers deemed that it was doable at said lvl. And at first it looked like the case. I went my first trial at lvl 35 with a guild and completed it without any wipes. What surprised me was that we were 5 people below 50, so we had a hard time filling the group cause people said we wouldnt be able to do it, and yet we completed it no problem. Granted, it was nSO, which i hear is the easiest, but still many people thought we couldnt do it.
After that I didnt join any other trials with guild because they started doing nMOL and I dont have the dlc. Thing is, I started talking to people about trials and the common belief is that for normal trials you need to be +160cp. To me this came as a bit of a shock, considering i did my first trial at lvl 35, but since i only knew nSO, i accepted it.
Some time later, i finally got to lvl 50 and i waited until cp 80 to start doing veteran dungeons. I was healer, and i did a few without having any issues. This was until I met a dps in a dungeon who died because he jumped in front of a boss attack and got 1 shotted, and naturally he blamed me and told me i was too low for vet dungeon (i was cp 88 at the time). I confronted him, and told him that i had been healing with no problems, and that if he thought cp 88 was too low, maybe it was because he was bad. He responded me by linking all his gear, and that's when my fears became more tangible.
From the little time i have spent in this game, it seems to me that many people don't care about team work, boss mechanics or skill, and they simply believe that a good geared player is a good player. As a result, they set very high minimun requirements for pve in order to make up for the fact that they suck. Now, i have played World of Warcraft for many years, and I understand the importance of good gear lvl, but i also know that there's a lot more to it than that, and that a good group of players can reach end game content with crappy gear.
Anyway, that's all i have to say about that, thank you very much for reading all the way to the end. I would really love to hear more about this from older and more experienced players. Is this frequent? Does it happen more likely outside guilds? Or am I simply wrong, and those requirements for trials and vet dungeons are high for a reason?
This is one of the worst communities I have ever seen.
Part of the problem is the people coming in, who partially are a mix of those people who move from MMO to MMO, or are just single player buffs new to MMO's.
Part of the problem is the often rigid nature of the meta crowd and often asking for help being met with mockery and outright hatred. This is amplified tenfold when you get into the endgame community.
It's a catch twenty two. People dont know going in, and dont want to ask because of the abuse they'll get.5 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A guy who jumps into the red and dies and then blames you is not someone you should expect to show reason and back down. Don't hold the unreasonable behavior of unreasonable people against the whole community."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle4 -
ascottk✭✭✭I've seen CP600+ players who are terrible & a CP20 healer who saved our butts.
A person who's 600+ could've just done questing (or doing skyreach most of the time) for most of their play time and can be terrible with group content. So when I see a 600+ player I groan. A lot of people in group dungeons wish for a 600+ player while I only care how well they invest (meaning player skills, gear, etc.) in their game. Do they stand in the "red" most of the time? Only doing heavy attacks? Do they spend more time typing to the group than actually playing?
When I'm playing my tank I can't really analyze what's going on with the players in the group... but when I'm on my healer I really start noticing the play style of other players. 600+ players are overrated. Many times I have to carry the group and really make an effort to keep others alive. I have to contribute to DPS too when, and often, DPS is lacking.
It all comes down to player skill NOT CP60000+ levels IMHO.
Edited by ascottk on September 25, 2017 4:31AMThe nerf to intelligent internet discussion still hasn't been resolved.
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Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello everyone. I have been playing this game for a few months and there's an issue that has been bugging me for a while now that I'd like to discuss with older players. I want to put my thoughts as complete as possible, so this may get long, please bear with me.
So when i was about lvl 30 i started getting interested in trials. Initially I thought those were for CP players, but i discovered that I was able to enter them. I have been playing MMOs for quite some time and usually when you meet the requirements to enter a raid, Its because the developers deemed that it was doable at said lvl. And at first it looked like the case. I went my first trial at lvl 35 with a guild and completed it without any wipes. What surprised me was that we were 5 people below 50, so we had a hard time filling the group cause people said we wouldnt be able to do it, and yet we completed it no problem. Granted, it was nSO, which i hear is the easiest, but still many people thought we couldnt do it.
After that I didnt join any other trials with guild because they started doing nMOL and I dont have the dlc. Thing is, I started talking to people about trials and the common belief is that for normal trials you need to be +160cp. To me this came as a bit of a shock, considering i did my first trial at lvl 35, but since i only knew nSO, i accepted it.
Some time later, i finally got to lvl 50 and i waited until cp 80 to start doing veteran dungeons. I was healer, and i did a few without having any issues. This was until I met a dps in a dungeon who died because he jumped in front of a boss attack and got 1 shotted, and naturally he blamed me and told me i was too low for vet dungeon (i was cp 88 at the time). I confronted him, and told him that i had been healing with no problems, and that if he thought cp 88 was too low, maybe it was because he was bad. He responded me by linking all his gear, and that's when my fears became more tangible.
From the little time i have spent in this game, it seems to me that many people don't care about team work, boss mechanics or skill, and they simply believe that a good geared player is a good player. As a result, they set very high minimun requirements for pve in order to make up for the fact that they suck. Now, i have played World of Warcraft for many years, and I understand the importance of good gear lvl, but i also know that there's a lot more to it than that, and that a good group of players can reach end game content with crappy gear.
Anyway, that's all i have to say about that, thank you very much for reading all the way to the end. I would really love to hear more about this from older and more experienced players. Is this frequent? Does it happen more likely outside guilds? Or am I simply wrong, and those requirements for trials and vet dungeons are high for a reason?
Asking what is wrong with the community is like asking what is wrong with the world. Both answers are the same: less human interaction because of all the "social" media around leads to less compasion with each other, and more focussing on the "me" part of everything.Edited by Huyen on September 25, 2017 7:51AMHuyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again. Only this time, more wisely" - Uncle Iroh2 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭Honestly the TESO community as a whole is better than most MMOs I've played.
And expect people to judge you instantly on your CP, it's generally a good gauge of whether you can handle the content or not.
I agree with the first statement. If you play the game for fun, delves, public dungeons, questing, crafting or helping guildies. You will find the community to be excellent.
Once you venture into the high end game, especially vet content, is when you might run into jerks. The best way to mitigate that is to join a guild. Before joining, ask questions. A good guild will be more patient with non optimized players ( gear and/or skill).
Joining a pug for a dungeon is like going on a blind date. You have no idea what you're getting into. I hate pugs. Generally no one talks. They blast through the content on autopilot. An end to a means. Not fun at all.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Now you have me wondering if the buff from being under level 50 would actually make a trial a lot easier. Like if you had a whole group of under-50s, I wonder how that would go!1 -
Kaliki✭✭✭✭Or am I simply wrong, and those requirements for trials and vet dungeons are high for a reason?
I do not think that you’re wrong, but, in my experience, you may be (or have been) an exception among lower lvl players.
When I play with lower lvl players I see lvl 45 players who do not know what a food/drink buff is, who mostly light attack, who frequently die in easily avoidable aoe.
But I also see CP 300+ players at world bosses who constantly die and barely do any damage while I essentially solo it. Often they are not contributing but actually making the fights harder for me by spreading out adds or kiting the boss away...
I think for many people a low level equals little experience. But of course this is not always right.
There is nothing really wrong with the ESO community – it is susceptible to prejudice just like all other communities/societies are.
Only way that I see how to avoid that is to find like-minded people to play with.
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