auronessb16_ESO wrote: »

Just a quick glance over the thread titles seems like an exercise in futility. No one seems to like the classes, the skills, the weapons, the synegys, or the way the game is being run. I can find threads on people complaining about the set up/gear/skills that somebody else is using, the game being down or being maintained. People posting threads about a particular delve, trial or battleground that is unfair. New players are evil, people trying to learn are idiots, and that guy who beat you in a duel was obviously cheating. Oh, and the dev are lazy, stupid and shouldn't even have a job. Today I even found a thread where someone complained that international players didn't understand spoken English with perfection.

This is a game. It is supposed to be fun, relaxing, and entertaining. Why doesn't anyone post about how awesome that other player is, or what you learned today that will make the game more productive for you? Why doesn't someone ever post about that time that ZOS responded to their concern and explained things? There were a tons of threads about the game being down in July, but I never did see a thread about the free crown crates everyone got.

TL;DR: Where can I find the people who like this game?

HERE!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I find the game to be thoroughly enjoyable. There seems to always just be enough to keep alot of variety. For instance we can do dungeons for hours one night. Next night make a move on the next zone and quest it up. Next night take a nice long break and just collect mats or fish. Sell items. Hang out. Next night go looking for delves. Next night dip our feet in Cyrodil for a little bit.

There are mechanics that can be challenging/frustrating, but on the whole I find the experience to be entertaining and enjoyable.

I only play for fun.

If people complain about something, it doesnt mean they dont enjoy the game. If they wouldnt enjoy it, they would probably just quit it instead of asking for balance and bug fixes.
Also, everyone has a different idea of fun. And if some players dont share your idea, it doesnt mean they arent enjoying the game. For example, some people on this forum are trying to push an idea that only questing with unoptimized build can be fun and anything else is bad and should be ostracized... Surely it is fun for some of us, but some prefer pvp, some enjoy competitive raiding etc. This is a good thing actually, it means that this game and its playerbase is pretty diverse.

Said it before and I'll say it again, the number of grown gamers that take playing videogames as serious or more serious than rl is mind boggling. I remember as a teenager rage quitting games, breaking my controller or worse my tv because something went wrong during my gaming session and me mums calmly telling me, "son it's a VIDEOGAME, nothing that happens in that world actually matters".

Haven't let a single thing in virtual worlds affect me since. Nerf my favorite class/weapon? Roll something new. Died 10 times to the same stupid boss/person? Play something else for a while and come back later with a fresh mind. I understand teens taking games serious, been there done that, but come on people, when you've allowed a freakin videogame to get under your skin and come racing to the forums to call for blood it's time to take a break from games, go outside and be reminded of things that actually matter.

Why am I on these forums? I originally started coming to forums as a time waster, to discuss my favorite games with other gamers, learn new things, tricks and what have you. I had no idea gaming forums were filled with complaints after complaints, boo hooing over this, boo hooing over that, my god the negativity is crushing. Been lurking in these forums for the better part of two years and I've wished for a long time that Zos would open a new section labeled grievances and complaints so the front page isn't littered with 90% complaint threads, in particular by folks who don't even play the game anymore.

TL;dr- it's just a freakin videogame. Sitting on your bum clicking buttons is not challenging or working hard. Don't allow not getting that new shiny pixel thingy to affect your enjoyment of playing videogames. Of course if you're only playing videogames to compensate for rl shortcomings or to feed your ego, by all means have at it, when bored I do enjoy reading the rage induced threads about pixels. You're not complaining because you care so much, you're throwing a temper tantrum because you've not gotten your way.

Nestor wrote: »

I enjoy the game, I play for fun. It is certainly better than TV. (Although the Ken Burns Documentary on Vietnam is must see TV right now)

Back to my point, I enjoy the game and I enjoy the forums. I love best the threads about how something that changed to result in a 1% or 4% less something now all of sudden sucks, or how an gear set that is "only" 99% as capable as the theoretical meta is useless, ignoring that the 99% set is easily farmed or crafted and does not require dozens of runs through a Vet Trial to obtain.

Nails it. When I read passionate rants about how hard their class got nerfed I always wonder how bad it is. Then I read that OMG the nerf took away almost 2% of my damage !!! Well it is good for a chuckle.

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I had a blast with ESO was great fun, until I lost my mojo, and coming to the forums and seeing the same problems that drove a lot of people away I know still going on I doubt I will ever return or the game will capture those fun moment of the past again, all good things come to an end. This is the game that really could have been a great game if it had been in the hands of devs that know how to make AAA mmo's

Hehe This should answer your question (title). Wannabe devs that can fix everything
I think it is a great game. Of course I play for fun.

I am really amazed at the response to this thread. I expected a few people who had fun, a grouch or two, and maybe, get to the 2nd page. It is good to see so many who do enjoy the game, each in their own way. I do find it interesting that no one mentions any place besides these forums. Oh, there was one mention of Reddit, and one of discord, but for the most part, the idea is to play the game. When I was heavily into Skyrim, it seemed like there were several forums and websites dedicated to the game or different aspects of it. I don't really see that level of non-game activity with ESO.

Since I had to wait for the update to download, I won't have a chance to play now until next week. But when I do, I'll be playing my game and having fun. If I see something funny or thought provoking or just plain interesting, I'll post something nice about the game. Nice posts may get lost in the shuffle, but if people posted more positive things, the negative won't sound so bad.

Disclaimer: I don't mean I'll be singing the praises of ZOS form the tallest mountain. But if I get a screen shot of two familiars fighting each other, a group repairing walls to 100% in Cyrodil, or something else unusual, I'll post about it.

Sevn wrote: »

Said it before and I'll say it again, the number of grown gamers that take playing videogames as serious or more serious than rl is mind boggling. I remember as a teenager rage quitting games, breaking my controller or worse my tv because something went wrong during my gaming session and me mums calmly telling me, "son it's a VIDEOGAME, nothing that happens in that world actually matters".

Haven't let a single thing in virtual worlds affect me since. Nerf my favorite class/weapon? Roll something new. Died 10 times to the same stupid boss/person? Play something else for a while and come back later with a fresh mind. I understand teens taking games serious, been there done that, but come on people, when you've allowed a freakin videogame to get under your skin and come racing to the forums to call for blood it's time to take a break from games, go outside and be reminded of things that actually matter.

Why am I on these forums? I originally started coming to forums as a time waster, to discuss my favorite games with other gamers, learn new things, tricks and what have you. I had no idea gaming forums were filled with complaints after complaints, boo hooing over this, boo hooing over that, my god the negativity is crushing. Been lurking in these forums for the better part of two years and I've wished for a long time that Zos would open a new section labeled grievances and complaints so the front page isn't littered with 90% complaint threads, in particular by folks who don't even play the game anymore.

TL;dr- it's just a freakin videogame. Sitting on your bum clicking buttons is not challenging or working hard. Don't allow not getting that new shiny pixel thingy to affect your enjoyment of playing videogames. Of course if you're only playing videogames to compensate for rl shortcomings or to feed your ego, by all means have at it, when bored I do enjoy reading the rage induced threads about pixels. You're not complaining because you care so much, you're throwing a temper tantrum because you've not gotten your way.

Well, some people tend to be serious about their hobbies. Its just human nature... and its not exclusive to gaming.
Some people spend thousands of dollars on collecting dolls, for example (this is not exaggeration, even a modern ball-joined doll might cost $700 and more... I'm not even talking about vintage ones). And many people in BJD community take their hobby very seriously.
Cosplayers are often very dedicated to their hobbies, too. Same can be said about bikers. Or about historical reconstructors. Or pretty much any other hobby.
But its really mind boggling when people try to claim that others shouldnt enjoy their hobbies because reasons. Everyone has a right to spend their free time as they want to - if theyre not doing something illegal, that is. You cant claim that your approach is the only true way, and everyone who disagrees must be stupid.
And yes, for some people "game"="childrens game". But also there's many people who think that comics/graphic novels are only for children and shouldnt be taken serioulsy, even though there are authors like Alan Moore, Frank Miller etc.

P.S. Gaming can be challenging. If it wasnt, e-sports wouldnt be a thing. And you would be able to get any vMoL/vHoF/whatever collectibles.

I'm not bitter and am happy with the balances and implementations minus lag/crashes. But the fun level is finally wearing off. I'm already looking at future MMO releases.

auronessb16_ESO wrote: »

TL;DR: Where can I find the people who like this game?

I enjoy it. I post not so often because of it. Usually only when I want to toss my two cents in.

Around 2005, a culture of... victims started. Players saw in general forums in many games that the squeaky wheel gets attention. For some reason, players have celebritized developers. They act like they are someone to be in a special spot light whether for good or ill. To get any sort of attention from these was to be sought.

As time went on, this evolved. Mainly because developers don't have much time nor desire to speak to their players. And well.. a guy in the back room coding for a living makes a horrible face and voice of a company. So they utilized community managers.

Fast forward to the Mass Effect 3 debacle and Andromeda as a good example, you have a good portion of players who actually don't really play these games to enjoy them. They get into them as a sort of peer thing. Their friends, their favorite streamer, or whatnot told them to play the game.

When they play the game, they seek to be the victim of a bait and switch, bad design, broken promises, the whole shebang. They get to jump on this popular bandwagon of folks who complain incessantly about the game.

This isn't to say these game aren't without their flaws. But mark my word, EA could release Mass Effect 5, right now, with all its bugs, unfinished stuff, hell it could be totally unplayable. Yet players would still buy it. Knowing they would be taken for fools. But its not about playing the game. Its about complaining about how you were taken and get in with the rest of the crowd in complaining.

Look at these forums. This is one of the most successful MMORPG's going right now. Right up there with WoW, FFXIV, and a few others. But these forums make it out to be a total unplayable mess of the game. Its one thing to voice concerns. I have mine as many of us do. Its how things always improve.

But when you see comments made by someone in 2014 saying "I've quit this game" or "no one can play this mess" or going on tirades about how ZOS takes people's money and are greedy untrustworthy fiends. And then post the same stuff in 2015, 2016, and into 2017. How do you take them seriously? If you've been taken for nearly 4 years and still around, why should we take you seriously, what makes us think you're telling the truth?

We don't, and you're not. Simple as that.

Usually when people have nothing but negativity to say, they don't normally have anything useful to say. But its easy to tell from the tone and wording which is which.

I try to play for fun, but ZOS never lets me.

Sevn wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Said it before and I'll say it again, the number of grown gamers that take playing videogames as serious or more serious than rl is mind boggling. I remember as a teenager rage quitting games, breaking my controller or worse my tv because something went wrong during my gaming session and me mums calmly telling me, "son it's a VIDEOGAME, nothing that happens in that world actually matters".

Haven't let a single thing in virtual worlds affect me since. Nerf my favorite class/weapon? Roll something new. Died 10 times to the same stupid boss/person? Play something else for a while and come back later with a fresh mind. I understand teens taking games serious, been there done that, but come on people, when you've allowed a freakin videogame to get under your skin and come racing to the forums to call for blood it's time to take a break from games, go outside and be reminded of things that actually matter.

Why am I on these forums? I originally started coming to forums as a time waster, to discuss my favorite games with other gamers, learn new things, tricks and what have you. I had no idea gaming forums were filled with complaints after complaints, boo hooing over this, boo hooing over that, my god the negativity is crushing. Been lurking in these forums for the better part of two years and I've wished for a long time that Zos would open a new section labeled grievances and complaints so the front page isn't littered with 90% complaint threads, in particular by folks who don't even play the game anymore.

TL;dr- it's just a freakin videogame. Sitting on your bum clicking buttons is not challenging or working hard. Don't allow not getting that new shiny pixel thingy to affect your enjoyment of playing videogames. Of course if you're only playing videogames to compensate for rl shortcomings or to feed your ego, by all means have at it, when bored I do enjoy reading the rage induced threads about pixels. You're not complaining because you care so much, you're throwing a temper tantrum because you've not gotten your way.

Well, some people tend to be serious about their hobbies. Its just human nature... and its not exclusive to gaming.
Some people spend thousands of dollars on collecting dolls, for example (this is not exaggeration, even a modern ball-joined doll might cost $700 and more... I'm not even talking about vintage ones). And many people in BJD community take their hobby very seriously.
Cosplayers are often very dedicated to their hobbies, too. Same can be said about bikers. Or about historical reconstructors. Or pretty much any other hobby.
But its really mind boggling when people try to claim that others shouldnt enjoy their hobbies because reasons. Everyone has a right to spend their free time as they want to - if theyre not doing something illegal, that is. You cant claim that your approach is the only true way, and everyone who disagrees must be stupid.
And yes, for some people "game"="childrens game". But also there's many people who think that comics/graphic novels are only for children and shouldnt be taken serioulsy, even though there are authors like Alan Moore, Frank Miller etc.

P.S. Gaming can be challenging. If it wasnt, e-sports wouldnt be a thing. And you would be able to get any vMoL/vHoF/whatever collectibles.

Please don't put words in my mouth or debate an argument never implied.

historical restructurtors.

absolutely brilliant way to start a post by being both condescending and polite...

@Sevn - ummmm, did you just make up some word there - or, is that a real thing...

Sevn wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Said it before and I'll say it again, the number of grown gamers that take playing videogames as serious or more serious than rl is mind boggling. I remember as a teenager rage quitting games, breaking my controller or worse my tv because something went wrong during my gaming session and me mums calmly telling me, "son it's a VIDEOGAME, nothing that happens in that world actually matters".

Haven't let a single thing in virtual worlds affect me since. Nerf my favorite class/weapon? Roll something new. Died 10 times to the same stupid boss/person? Play something else for a while and come back later with a fresh mind. I understand teens taking games serious, been there done that, but come on people, when you've allowed a freakin videogame to get under your skin and come racing to the forums to call for blood it's time to take a break from games, go outside and be reminded of things that actually matter.

Why am I on these forums? I originally started coming to forums as a time waster, to discuss my favorite games with other gamers, learn new things, tricks and what have you. I had no idea gaming forums were filled with complaints after complaints, boo hooing over this, boo hooing over that, my god the negativity is crushing. Been lurking in these forums for the better part of two years and I've wished for a long time that Zos would open a new section labeled grievances and complaints so the front page isn't littered with 90% complaint threads, in particular by folks who don't even play the game anymore.

TL;dr- it's just a freakin videogame. Sitting on your bum clicking buttons is not challenging or working hard. Don't allow not getting that new shiny pixel thingy to affect your enjoyment of playing videogames. Of course if you're only playing videogames to compensate for rl shortcomings or to feed your ego, by all means have at it, when bored I do enjoy reading the rage induced threads about pixels. You're not complaining because you care so much, you're throwing a temper tantrum because you've not gotten your way.

Well, some people tend to be serious about their hobbies. Its just human nature... and its not exclusive to gaming.
Some people spend thousands of dollars on collecting dolls, for example (this is not exaggeration, even a modern ball-joined doll might cost $700 and more... I'm not even talking about vintage ones). And many people in BJD community take their hobby very seriously.
Cosplayers are often very dedicated to their hobbies, too. Same can be said about bikers. Or about historical reconstructors. Or pretty much any other hobby.
But its really mind boggling when people try to claim that others shouldnt enjoy their hobbies because reasons. Everyone has a right to spend their free time as they want to - if theyre not doing something illegal, that is. You cant claim that your approach is the only true way, and everyone who disagrees must be stupid.
And yes, for some people "game"="childrens game". But also there's many people who think that comics/graphic novels are only for children and shouldnt be taken serioulsy, even though there are authors like Alan Moore, Frank Miller etc.

P.S. Gaming can be challenging. If it wasnt, e-sports wouldnt be a thing. And you would be able to get any vMoL/vHoF/whatever collectibles.

Please don't put words in my mouth or debate an argument never implied. Not understanding a particular mindset does not equate to calling someone stupid. Never have I claimed people who disagree with my position on gaming were stupid, nor claimed that folks shouldn't take their hobbies seriously. Collectibles have value, I have a set worth thousands. Cosplayers showcase creativity, same with historical restructurtors. Restoring a vintage motorbike showcases skill and an advanced knowledge of mechanical workings.

Let us not pretend all hobbies are equal. If you find sitting on your bum, memorizing npc patterns and clicking buttons in a certain order to exploit said patterns challenging, with the exception of PvP you'll have to forgive me if I don't. Completing those said challenges laid out by you(vet trials) is a matter of practice and time, PvP being the one ever evolving challenge of overcoming another human player and their unpredictability.

Throwing a temper tantrum because you've not gotten your way in a videogame is unequivocally a childish response to an issue to which there is no justification for. Calling for someones job because they took away your favorite toy, again childish. Running to the forums to proclaim you are quitting (take that game!), instead of just quitting and playing something else, childish.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with behaving in a childish way in the privacy of your domain, it's the need to come running to the forums to put that behaviour on full display for all to see, essentially throwing a temper tantrum in the middle of the grocery store because mums said you can't have that candy bar that I don't understand.

There are tons of issues plaguing the game, often times lost due to the overwhelming amount of complaints because someone has to change up a build they've been playing for ages, or someone got killed by someone else so something is too op, etc.

Ye gods people if playing videogames is the means to pad your ego expect to get smacked back down to earth a few times as everyone else who is playing for their ego stroke wants a piece of the pie as well and the devs can't stroke everyones ego simultaneously.

Oh jeez...
Man (or woman, or whatever), you really need to calm down. Where did you get all those assumptions about me and my ego? I wasnt even talking about myself. If you think that makes you look more "mature" and "wise"... I'm sorry but it doesnt. It is in fact very childish, trying to diminish your opponents point like this. And if you think that a random forum post can "smack me back down to earth" then I dont even know what to say.
Oh well, I also thought I was really mature and wise when I was 18 years old.

When people care about something, this game for example, they want it to be better, or even THE best. It is actually a good thing, even if some forum posters are too emotional. If they wouldnt care, they could just find another toy to play with, right?
Also, lets not forget that this game is a product sold by ZOS and we are customers. People have all rights to be unhappy if the product they bought was defective. If you order a meal, for example, and the waiter brings you something burned or rotten, would you just eat that?

Speaking of difficulty and challenge... If you read these forums, you probably know that dlc veteran content is very difficult for the majority of players. If there is no challenge whatsoever, why do you think it happens?
I'm not saying theyre the pinnacle of challenge or something, but the fact that there are certain games and game modes that are "too difficult" for players kinda implies that there is some kind of challenge.