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The Thing about the VMA-Weapons-nerf...
Artavazd
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Dear Community and ZOS(E),
I mainly play PVP or Battlegrounds, every PVE-Content i did was only to get gear for more PVP-action.
Why did you nerf the Vma-weapons (for pvp) ?
The main reasons why people used Vma-weapons were for the 189 weapon- or spelldamage, and the possibility to run poisons with no loss of these attributes.
Some of the weapons got a Buff and made them viable. And i like some of the changes. But some weapns suffer under this massive change.
In my eyes vma-weapons were balanced, theyre difficult to get. So they should give the player who ran them an advantage, the advantage was only these 189 weapon or spelldamage. Not a huge advantage, so why did you took this from us?
Now some of the Weapons are useless for PvP,
2 hander : the enchant (new: 1 set piece) : ~4500 dot over 5s ( correct me if im worng)
i dont directly say to revert this change, but you must admit that 4k over 5s is a joke, imo this needs some love. maybe a 10.000 dot for 5 seconds and a 5-10 second cooldown?
Destructionstaff: " " : 1k more damage to your light and heavy attackts to enemys affected by blockade of fire/frost/shock
its useless, enemys walk straight out of the damage area. Maybe just give this weapons 189 spelldamage back? Its a great "Set piece" for PVE.
i have no idea how to make this "set piece" viable for pvp, maybe you guys have some good ideas.
Restorationstaff: " ": with the new buff, ill run this on the backbar, maybe i build my magdk with this. I like this change!
S/B: " ": its a straight buff, needed buff, it makes it more viable.
one handed weapons: i cant speak for them, i never see them in PVP or even i PVE.
Bow: " " : great for pve but its not anymore viable in PVP, when you are not running volley.
Of course now you can run them with enchantments, but now the destruction staff / 2 hander / bow are not better than a normal crafted weapon ( in pvp).
Just make these viable in PVP again, people ran this arena so many times to get this stuff only for pvp.
sincerly
Artavazd
I mainly play PVP or Battlegrounds, every PVE-Content i did was only to get gear for more PVP-action.
Why did you nerf the Vma-weapons (for pvp) ?
The main reasons why people used Vma-weapons were for the 189 weapon- or spelldamage, and the possibility to run poisons with no loss of these attributes.
Some of the weapons got a Buff and made them viable. And i like some of the changes. But some weapns suffer under this massive change.
In my eyes vma-weapons were balanced, theyre difficult to get. So they should give the player who ran them an advantage, the advantage was only these 189 weapon or spelldamage. Not a huge advantage, so why did you took this from us?
Now some of the Weapons are useless for PvP,
2 hander : the enchant (new: 1 set piece) : ~4500 dot over 5s ( correct me if im worng)
i dont directly say to revert this change, but you must admit that 4k over 5s is a joke, imo this needs some love. maybe a 10.000 dot for 5 seconds and a 5-10 second cooldown?
Destructionstaff: " " : 1k more damage to your light and heavy attackts to enemys affected by blockade of fire/frost/shock
its useless, enemys walk straight out of the damage area. Maybe just give this weapons 189 spelldamage back? Its a great "Set piece" for PVE.
i have no idea how to make this "set piece" viable for pvp, maybe you guys have some good ideas.
Restorationstaff: " ": with the new buff, ill run this on the backbar, maybe i build my magdk with this. I like this change!
S/B: " ": its a straight buff, needed buff, it makes it more viable.
one handed weapons: i cant speak for them, i never see them in PVP or even i PVE.
Bow: " " : great for pve but its not anymore viable in PVP, when you are not running volley.
Of course now you can run them with enchantments, but now the destruction staff / 2 hander / bow are not better than a normal crafted weapon ( in pvp).
Just make these viable in PVP again, people ran this arena so many times to get this stuff only for pvp.
sincerly
Artavazd
a aldmeri will always pay his debt
8 chars all cp660
its not about to make PVP great again, its about not to ruin it
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Banana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What enchant to use on the vma resto now. Loosing the 4% crit is dissapointing as well. As theres no getting that back.Edited by Banana on September 20, 2017 12:07PM1 -
Dont lie, noone uses those things in PvPFeralclaw - EU - AD
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Timeraider wrote: »Dont lie, noone uses those things in PvP
They do. I use the staff and 2h on builds right this moment in time. A lot on Xbox eu do.7 -
Insandros✭✭✭✭Sorry man, but, sometimes people get what they asked for... lots of unable to get vma weapons pvper cried (as much as pve unable to get that place passed) ... well... Well PvPer asked for balance? they work on it, you guys aked for tons of stuff, you got them, pve gets downside of it, now some of those stuff you say pve is viable, pvp not, well it's balancing :P some stuff done are bad for pvp some for pve... maybe the day pvper will stop creating threads about crying and whning, maybe they'll stop nerfing stuff, but, remember all nerfing ideads comes from pvper, so expect stuff happening. If it's still good in PvE good, not in pvp, well too bad.. you guys cried about Monster set crits... you got it taken out.. well... that,s life, we lived through it.
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Storymaster✭✭✭✭✭I understand that the VMAs were conceived as an alternative to the Grammy Awards and is commonly referred to as the "Superbowl for youth", but I'm not sure MTV has enough influence to spark nerfs and changes in a game that has nothing to do with their organization.10 -
Artavazd✭Sorry man, but, sometimes people get what they asked for... lots of unable to get vma weapons pvper cried (as much as pve unable to get that place passed) ... well... Well PvPer asked for balance? they work on it, you guys aked for tons of stuff, you got them, pve gets downside of it, now some of those stuff you say pve is viable, pvp not, well it's balancing :P some stuff done are bad for pvp some for pve... maybe the day pvper will stop creating threads about crying and whning, maybe they'll stop nerfing stuff, but, remember all nerfing ideads comes from pvper, so expect stuff happening. If it's still good in PvE good, not in pvp, well too bad.. you guys cried about Monster set crits... you got it taken out.. well... that,s life, we lived through it.
thats why i tried to write this thread in a non whining way of course balance, the meta change every patch, you need to adapt. But i critizise ,like a lot of the pve playerbase, the shift to crafted weapons and away of trial, dungeon gear. a aldmeri will always pay his debt8 chars all cp660its not about to make PVP great again, its about not to ruin it1 -
Artavazd✭Storymaster wrote: »I understand that the VMAs were conceived as an alternative to the Grammy Awards and is commonly referred to as the "Superbowl for youth", but I'm not sure MTV has enough influence to spark nerfs and changes in a game that has nothing to do with their organization.
i dont directly ask for a revert of these changes, but some of the weapons need love, dont you think so?a aldmeri will always pay his debt8 chars all cp660its not about to make PVP great again, its about not to ruin it1 -
Storymaster✭✭✭✭✭Storymaster wrote: »I understand that the VMAs were conceived as an alternative to the Grammy Awards and is commonly referred to as the "Superbowl for youth", but I'm not sure MTV has enough influence to spark nerfs and changes in a game that has nothing to do with their organization.
i dont directly ask for a revert of these changes, but some of the weapons need love, dont you think so?
@Artavazd
You're absolutely right, but I'm not sure our combined attempts to contact Chris McCarthy (President of MTV) or his boss, Doug Herzog (President of Viacom's music arm) will bear fruit on the matter, despite our shared passion for ESO and its weapons. Again, I'm not sure the award ceremony of said entity has any significant impact of the changes we are seeing in-game. I am confident that further investigation of the term "VMA weapon changes" will ultimately reveal that there is no correlation to the award ceremony at all.3 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Agreed. I'm both relieved and disappointed I don't need to run vma anymore to get my 2H.3 -
Artavazd✭Storymaster wrote: »Storymaster wrote: »I understand that the VMAs were conceived as an alternative to the Grammy Awards and is commonly referred to as the "Superbowl for youth", but I'm not sure MTV has enough influence to spark nerfs and changes in a game that has nothing to do with their organization.
i dont directly ask for a revert of these changes, but some of the weapons need love, dont you think so?
@Artavazd
You're absolutely right, but I'm not sure our combined attempts to contact Chris McCarthy (President of MTV) or his boss, Doug Herzog (President of Viacom's music arm) will bear fruit on the matter, despite our shared passion for ESO and its weapons. Again, I'm not sure the award ceremony of said entity has any significant impact of the changes we are seeing in-game. I am confident that further investigation of the term "VMA weapon changes" will ultimately reveal that there is no correlation to the award ceremony at all.
maybe we should try it with the oscars- jury instead?Edited by Artavazd on September 20, 2017 11:53AMa aldmeri will always pay his debt8 chars all cp660its not about to make PVP great again, its about not to ruin it1 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Like even though I use them, it's fine. I'll just change my build. It's an MMO. This happens. It's whatever. I'm not really concerned about it. Yeh, it goes less option and kills some build diversity and options, but it is what it is. I play PvP and Pve almost equally, so I'm not even mad about "wasting time". It was a challenge and although frustrating, I was glad when I did it. It reminded me of an old school super hard boss in single player games as kid. It was a frustrating but also fun challenge.
All I've done is try to illustrate and make people understand why it was a nerf. Because a lot of people think it isn't or it's even a buff. The master bow is, I'll give you that. And some vma probably are in Pve. But in PvP, vma weapons are 100% nerfed and useless next patch.Edited by Brrrofski on September 20, 2017 11:57AM3 -
Artavazd✭Like even though I use them, it's fine. I'll just change my build. It's an MMO. This happens. It's whatever. I'm not really concerned about it. Yeh, it goes less option and kills some build diversity and options, but it is what it is.
All I've done is try to illustrate and make people understand why it was a nerf. Because a lot of people think it isn't or it's even a buff. The master bow is, I'll give you that. And some vma probably are in Pve. But in PvP, vma weapons are 100% nerfed and useless next patch.
agree 100%, i dont like this change because the staff and 2h weapons are not better than crafted ones, this drives me crazy.a aldmeri will always pay his debt8 chars all cp660its not about to make PVP great again, its about not to ruin it1 -
Parrot1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭Storymaster wrote: »Storymaster wrote: »I understand that the VMAs were conceived as an alternative to the Grammy Awards and is commonly referred to as the "Superbowl for youth", but I'm not sure MTV has enough influence to spark nerfs and changes in a game that has nothing to do with their organization.
i dont directly ask for a revert of these changes, but some of the weapons need love, dont you think so?
@Artavazd
You're absolutely right, but I'm not sure our combined attempts to contact Chris McCarthy (President of MTV) or his boss, Doug Herzog (President of Viacom's music arm) will bear fruit on the matter, despite our shared passion for ESO and its weapons. Again, I'm not sure the award ceremony of said entity has any significant impact of the changes we are seeing in-game. I am confident that further investigation of the term "VMA weapon changes" will ultimately reveal that there is no correlation to the award ceremony at all.
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Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Now, thing is, if the only reason that people chose the vMA weapons was because of the +Spell/Weapon damage that persists through poisons and barswaps, then there is an issue. My personal opinion is that these weapons should amplify the power of an ability such that making a build around that skill becomes viable. Not amplifying the power of preexisting builds.Edited by Avran_Sylt on September 20, 2017 12:24PM2 -
SASQUATCH0✭✭✭✭Whatever I'm still using my 5bsw 4moondancer 1vma sharpened flamestaff setup. Too lazy to change anything and it still works fine0 -
Illurian✭✭✭✭✭
✭SASQUATCH0 wrote: »Whatever I'm still using my 5bsw 4moondancer 1vma sharpened flamestaff setup. Too lazy to change anything and it still works fine
That's a PvE build though. OP specifically said PvP.Kiss the chaos.2 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pretty sure that the Crit Rush DoT stacks though. Correct me if I'm wrong, don't want to spread misinformation. But I do think that the DoT stacks, meaning if you Crit Rush the same person twice, he'll have 2 DoTs on him.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Solution.
I play the game with crafted set and a few overland sets. I find the grind for gear boring and not fun. After spending time trying to get monster sets and dungeon drops only to have ZOS nerf them in the next patch is really disheartening. After three plus years it is obvious that there is a disconnect between the developing team and the marketing department. I truly believe the delves want to balance the game but I think the marketing and sale teams override what they want to do. Everything is viewed though the crown store lens and “how can we sell more boxes”.
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✭Timeraider wrote: »Dont lie, noone uses those things in PvP
Some do, some don't. They aren't meta, but you can make interesting builds from those things.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!1 -
SASQUATCH0✭✭✭✭SASQUATCH0 wrote: »Whatever I'm still using my 5bsw 4moondancer 1vma sharpened flamestaff setup. Too lazy to change anything and it still works fine
That's a PvE build though. OP specifically said PvP.
Oh you're right. Haven't had my Coffee yet before I read it lol. screw vma staffs for pvp is my response then
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hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »Now, thing is, if the only reason that people chose the vMA weapons was because of the +Spell/Weapon damage that persists through poisons and barswaps, then there is an issue. My personal opinion is that these weapons should amplify the power of an ability such that making a build around that skill becomes viable. Not amplifying the power of preexisting builds.
In my opinion, these weapons should offer both ability modifiers and bonus raw stats so it will strengthen build diversity and allow people to utilize them even though they don't use these specific abilities. Example, MagDK Destro-Restro build with back bar Lich restro and Front bar vMA inferno staff.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!1 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Or here is a revolutionary thought.
How about ZoS design 1-piece weapons set rewards for PvPing well?Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.5 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
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I was thinking the same thing, we haven't seen good weaps come from Cyro since Vet ranks when Master Weapons dropped as End of Campaign rewards...Joy_Division wrote: »Or here is a revolutionary thought.
How about ZoS design 1-piece weapons set rewards for PvPing well?
Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on September 20, 2017 2:09PM2 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hope they revert this and add them back as part of the bonus setPC/DC/NAserver
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SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, and this is obviously overperforming, glad they've addressed it.The main reasons why people used Vma-weapons were for the 189 weapon- or spelldamage, and the possibility to run poisons with no loss of these attributes.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭Timeraider wrote: »Dont lie, noone uses those things in PvP
They do. I use the staff and 2h on builds right this moment in time. A lot on Xbox eu do.
@Brrrofski yes many have them but tbh i prefer crafted weapons where you can decide the optimal trait and weapon without having to farm VMA for hideous amount of times. I personall have a 2h in a good trait also master and vma bow but i prefer the crafted weapons where i have enchantments i can actually use. In my opinion wielding vma weapons in pvp is more about bragging(look here im so great i have a sharpened vma 2h sword or something like that) and not the 189 Spell or weapon damage you get....
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »Timeraider wrote: »Dont lie, noone uses those things in PvP
They do. I use the staff and 2h on builds right this moment in time. A lot on Xbox eu do.
@Brrrofski yes many have them but tbh i prefer crafted weapons where you can decide the optimal trait and weapon without having to farm VMA for hideous amount of times. I personall have a 2h in a good trait also master and vma bow but i prefer the crafted weapons where i have enchantments i can actually use. In my opinion wielding vma weapons in pvp is more about bragging(look here im so great i have a sharpened vma 2h sword or something like that) and not the 189 Spell or weapon damage you get....
But because you prefer something doesn't mean nobody does and therefore a nerf is fine. Fine by you doesn't mean it's ok overall.
It's absolutely not about bragging. For anyone who's got at PvP, vma is not hard. It almost suits a pvper more. It's about target priority, healing, avoiding damage and doing damage at once. This is exactly what PvP is like. The only difference is that vma is completely predictable (except that stupid poison round). Almost all the good PVPers on Xbox EU have done it. Still use those weapons 2 years on. Because they still had usr. And wee often a really good choice. It's much more than bragging.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Or here is a revolutionary thought.
How about ZoS design 1-piece weapons set rewards for PvPing well?
Can't have that. That would *gasp* incentivize playing PvP. Bad idea.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭I personally use those 189 to min max my stam builds on pvp, and its rather usefull if you want to run a 5/5 with no monster set or cheese. So yes it kinda kills a lot of good builds out there. But tbh i dont really care that much bc the master bow with 2x damage will cover that gap. So to all saying its a trophy or an award... you dont know what you are talking about lol,
RIP vma... it was nice grinding you
and for the ones that never uncovered your treasures, you dont know what you missed 
and now its going to be gone for good... 2