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Force Shock - REMEBER IT HAS LOWER DAMAGE SCALING (and I don't play a sorc)
Avran_Sylt
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Before all the threads start saying how the new staff will be OP, remember that the skill it buffs has a much lower scaling than other spammables. It even deals less damage than a single tick from elemental Rage.
Edited by Avran_Sylt on September 18, 2017 11:20PM 0
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Crystal Frags is not a spammable, and status effects buff/debuff for all skills not just crushing shock.
Edited by NBrookus on September 18, 2017 11:08PM10 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
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It is if you use the instant cast version of it intertwined with Force Shock. Even then you gotta remember that that itself requires you to sacrifice an additional slot on your bar.0 -
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, I am aware how to proc a reduced cost crystal frag and no sorc is "sacrificing" a slot to put crystal frags on their bar. Aside from the few DW sorcs still left out there, every sorc with a destro staff already also slots crushing shock, probably with a sharp VMA staff if they have one. It's a straight in-place buff to replace the VMA staff with the new one while giving up nothing.
You realize of course that the staff's status effects will also buff the crystal frag procs? And Curse? And Wrath? And reduces the damage taken against shields?4 -
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah, its the first ability that comes to mind when I think of a sorc spammable. I can't say I play sorc all that much.1 -
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The spammable which probably has the easiest weave in the game.
Let's compare it to crystal frag for arguement sake. It does about half the damage. Yet it a lot cheaper, and has no cast time. So what's your point.0 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Comparing crystal frags to force pulse is doing a bit of apples and oranges.
Better to compare to funnel health, lava whip, and cliff racer. Instant cast magicka spammables.
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✭✭✭✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »
Except you can get 2 crushing shock for the time cost of a frag. Plus two light attacks.
Hence why it's a sorc's spammable in PvP...2 -
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Checking against my mDK (who I haven't played in a while) I see Flame Lash I dealing 7.3K Damage (I am a Dark Elf), and Crushing Shock dealing 5.9K.
Flame Lash can deal even more damage and heal me, while Crushing Shock can just interrupt.
I don't have a mNB so I can't check against that.1 -
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The GCD starts at channel start, not channel end, so it really is just a matter of figuring out at what point in the animation you can LA again. Admittedly this is not easy, but it is possible.
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✭✭✭✭✭It's not the damage it will cause, it's the status effects.Edited by Vapirko on September 19, 2017 12:04AM2 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »@DeadlyRecluse
Checking against my mDK (who I haven't played in a while) I see Flame Lash I dealing 7.3K Damage (I am a Dark Elf), and Crushing Shock dealing 5.9K.
Flame Lash can deal even more damage and heal me, while Crushing Shock can just interrupt.
I don't have a mNB so I can't check against that.
That's a much better comparison--though ofc Dunmer will get a bit more racial buff to Lash than Crushing, and Crushing is melee. I'll compare tooltips on warden and nightblade later tonight.
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Is it the one that increases damage taken by 8%, deals fire damage, or reduces enemy damage by 15%? (though my money is on the 15% damage reduction one)0 -
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✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »@Vapirko
Is it the one that increases damage taken by 8%, deals fire damage, or reduces enemy damage by 15%? (though my money is on the 15% damage reduction one)
You are aware that it will proc every single one of them?1 -
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✭✭✭✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »@Vapirko
Is it the one that increases damage taken by 8%, deals fire damage, or reduces enemy damage by 15%? (though my money is on the 15% damage reduction one)
You are aware that it will proc every single one of them?
With 100% uptime.Edited by NBrookus on September 19, 2017 3:04AM0 -
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Yes, I'm aware. Which is it that sets you off? What combination?
The 100%? The 8% damage? the Burning Damage? the damage reduction?
Force pulse in comparison to other(non-sorc) mClass spammables is a bit sub-par. On my DK it's behind by about 1.4K damage compared to the non-triggered flame lash. At what point does it vastly surpass that? Flame Lash adds a bit more utility (same with crushing shock).
Adding in 8% damage it brings the spammable up to 1K behind. Is it the Fire or the Frost status that adds in enough damage to make up for it?Edited by Avran_Sylt on September 19, 2017 3:42AM1 -
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✭It will be strong as hell for sorcs and for DK's (free flame lashes for ever) running with them. I expect magblades will probably have to run force pulse over funnel as I expect it it will just be that good. It is is big buff to the sorcs and DK's though and a big sustain help for the DK's as well. It will also be another big divider between top groups and everyone else as the status effect difference is a big difference in group DPS. Groups with full uptime on the 8% damage taken buff and fully fueled DK's will do quite well relative to those without.
I don't really expect that this all was intended. ZOS can't even scale heavy / light attacks in a functional way. To anticipate the way that changing a weapon ability will effect class balance. That would make Wrobels tiny little brain explode.
More of the same, the questing content looks really interesting and the balance stuff seems to be sort of a mess with a big *** you thrown in to those endgamers who didn't catch the hint and leave yet and who farmed for vMA weapons as they got a big nerf.I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.0 -
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It does require the DK to plop down a lightning wall of some sort (to proc off-balance) and then to use flame lash (since off-balance is no longer inherit with concussion). which will be harder to land on a pvp target as that's 3 successive skills to get to the flame lash bonus.
Groups already have a high uptime on minor vulnerability via concussion thanks to sorcs. though DK's will be able to use flame lash and reapply the debuff without sacrificing too team dps, meaning mDK's will have a better time in raids.0 -
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✭How about the extra damage morph that will always proc now (except perhaps on the "first" cast)? Nah, that doesn't sound broken at all.
It would be absolutely hilarious if it came in charged. Biggest
that ZOS could give yet: a really bad trait on a weapon that makes it obsolete. The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?0 -
Dorrino✭✭✭✭✭In trial setting this staff effect will be irrelevant.
People are complaining (and rightfully so) about additional buffs to mag sorcs in pvp.
100% uptime of both minor vuln and minor maim on the target from a spammable feels fun and ironic, since force pulse is de facto mag sorc's spammable in pvp.1 -
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✭Im more interested in how difficult it will be to actually get that staff. Maybe finally a worthy reward for hard work?0 -
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✭✭✭✭@Avran_Sylt You are focusing on the damage of crushing shock, when that's not the issue. The issue is 100% uptime on two major debuffs against other players and one major damage buff on every skill. Crushing Shock is only the delivery mechanism.
It is a single piece of gear more valuable than wearing the 5th piece bonus of Wizard's Riposte AND Infallible Ether BOTH, AND procs Skoria on every cooldown.
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✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »@DeadlyRecluse
Checking against my mDK (who I haven't played in a while) I see Flame Lash I dealing 7.3K Damage (I am a Dark Elf), and Crushing Shock dealing 5.9K.
Flame Lash can deal even more damage and heal me, while Crushing Shock can just interrupt.
I don't have a mNB so I can't check against that.
Does your flame lash permanently apply concussion, minor maim, burning dot and allow you to run infused major defile glyph on the staff? I think not. You are obviously not thinking this through. Shock was never used as a main damage ability in pvp anyway, it was a mere tool used to proc frags and add some extra damage in the frags/curse combo. Now it's a tool that does the job 400% better (100% for each effect cause 100% uptime is broken as ***)3
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