Arctic Blast worth using?

Arbit · September 2017

I was wondering if this skill is worth using as a dot in combos, it seems rather expensive, but I thought it might be worth looking into. Any thoughts?

The_Old_Goat · September 2017

I use it while tanking but doubt it's useful for much else.

White wabbit · September 2017

I don't use it on either of my Wardens it's meh

Curragraigue · September 2017

chainlink01 wrote: »

I use it while tanking but doubt it's useful for much else.

This ^ tanking skill not much use for anything

Betheny · September 2017

It's rubbish.

Enslaved · September 2017

For tanking it is just great.

Yakidafi · September 2017

It is not rubbish. I use with skoria in pvp. And it heal

Betheny · September 2017

Yakidafi wrote: »

It is not rubbish. I use with skoria in pvp. And it heal

And much does it heal you for?

Yakidafi · September 2017

Betheny wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

It is not rubbish. I use with skoria in pvp. And it heal

And much does it heal you for?

2%

enough with never ending shields

Betheny · September 2017

Yakidafi wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

It is not rubbish. I use with skoria in pvp. And it heal

And much does it heal you for?

2%

Which is?

Betheny · September 2017

My point has whooshed over...anyway not going to bother sending you in right direction...hey keep using it buddy! It's great!!

Yakidafi · September 2017

Betheny wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

It is not rubbish. I use with skoria in pvp. And it heal

And much does it heal you for?

2%

Which is?

100%-98%

DeadlyRecluse · September 2017

Even with a generous amount of max health, I found it underwhelming (as a magicka dump on a stam warden tank in PvP). Using it as a skoria trigger is a decent idea though.

Chufu · September 2017

It's like the Warden's Shards as a Tank. Thought they will do massive amount of damage with sets like Plague doctor, but noooo. Underrated. Although nice to start initial aggro.

But the heal "Arctic blast" is not that good and it's not worth it to use a bar-slot for it. There are other spells which are much better (like the vines of the Green Balance Tree).

Vaoh · September 2017

The damage of Arctic Blast will be too low no matter how high you spike up your Health.

It sounds like you are trying to use it on a DPS character. Don't do it lol. At least don't use it for group content. It is expensive and deals almost zero damage as a DPS.

Yakidafi · September 2017

Betheny wrote: »

My point has whooshed over...anyway not going to bother sending you in right direction...hey keep using it buddy! It's great!!

My point is that it may or may not suck depending on what you do with it. What op want to use it for I do not know.

RouDeR · September 2017

Holy nobos u know nothing about warden tanks dps .

https://youtu.be/ZZBIeyFA9Hw

With CP my Arctic crit for 6k and its a AoE dot , combined with scoria , the spikes and the frost ultimate you will be sitting at 10k AoE dps on a 70k health tank ^^ its a learn 2 built issue

Asardes · September 2017

Still weaker than destro ult.

Megabear · September 2017

Useful as high HP tank, pulling aggro, and proccing Valkyn Skoria

Megabear · September 2017

RouDeR wrote: »

Holy nobos u know nothing about warden tanks dps .
https://youtu.be/ZZBIeyFA9Hw

With CP my Arctic crit for 6k and its a AoE dot , combined with scoria , the spikes and the frost ultimate you will be sitting at 10k AoE dps on a 70k health tank ^^ its a learn 2 built issue

Just saw this post after I posted my post. I do exactly the same with my tank. I have another completely diff build for high HP tank that can DPS too.

SanTii.92 · September 2017

RouDeR wrote: »

Holy nobos u know nothing about warden tanks dps .
https://youtu.be/ZZBIeyFA9Hw

With CP my Arctic crit for 6k and its a AoE dot , combined with scoria , the spikes and the frost ultimate you will be sitting at 10k AoE dps on a 70k health tank ^^ its a learn 2 built issue

"Holy nobos", procedes to link a video where he's stomping pugs. The skill is terrible mate.

Waffennacht · September 2017

RouDeR wrote: »

Holy nobos u know nothing about warden tanks dps .
https://youtu.be/ZZBIeyFA9Hw

With CP my Arctic crit for 6k and its a AoE dot , combined with scoria , the spikes and the frost ultimate you will be sitting at 10k AoE dps on a 70k health tank ^^ its a learn 2 built issue

It can crit for 6k huh?

Or 3k dps if you ignore all mitigation

You're heavy so no penetration, meaning light armor gets approximately 10% Reduction to heavies' 50% Reduction

So ... Probably 2k - 1.5k dps at 3.8k magicka cost

Not as bad as I would have thought - though requires a whole build around it (abysmal heal)

I prefer splitting soul trap - 1.8k cost. Can crit for 1k dps and has range, hits 3 players and also triggers skoria.

Edit: I wanna compare builds so badly! But they're so different that they aren't comparable! 1v1 wouldn't be accurate at all - I would love to be on your team tho.

@RouDeR got any newer vids? (I want to like your build... I really do... Darn it I'm trying!)

RouDeR · September 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Holy nobos u know nothing about warden tanks dps .
https://youtu.be/ZZBIeyFA9Hw

With CP my Arctic crit for 6k and its a AoE dot , combined with scoria , the spikes and the frost ultimate you will be sitting at 10k AoE dps on a 70k health tank ^^ its a learn 2 built issue

It can crit for 6k huh?

Or 3k dps if you ignore all mitigation

You're heavy so no penetration, meaning light armor gets approximately 10% Reduction to heavies' 50% Reduction

So ... Probably 2k - 1.5k dps at 3.8k magicka cost

Not as bad as I would have thought - though requires a whole build around it (abysmal heal)

I prefer splitting soul trap - 1.8k cost. Can crit for 1k dps and has range, hits 3 players and also triggers skoria.

Edit: I wanna compare builds so badly! But they're so different that they aren't comparable! 1v1 wouldn't be accurate at all - I would love to be on your team tho.

@RouDeR got any newer vids? (I want to like your build... I really do... Darn it I'm trying!)

Yes , i am gonna upload it soon.

This video is the perfect example of the dps capability on a Health warden , the stamplar is low skilled but he is using Trollking and still loose the duel to a 70k health tank .

https://youtu.be/bJJ3dBfjGOg

Arbit · September 2017

so is the damage from this fixed or does it scale with spell damage?

Asardes · September 2017

All ultimates scale their damage to your highest stat from maximum stamina/magicka/health and weapon/spell damage. Health is easier to stack so ultimates from a health tank can be surprisingly effective, bar the other things that come into play, like critical and penetration. A few months back I was surprised to see inferno staves of the plague doctor listed for 100K+ in guild stores. The explanation was that health tanks were using destro ult in zergs, based on the way it scales on maximum health.

RouDeR · September 2017

Asardes wrote: »

All ultimates scale their damage to your highest stat from maximum stamina/magicka/health and weapon/spell damage. Health is easier to stack so ultimates from a health tank can be surprisingly effective, bar the other things that come into play, like critical and penetration. A few months back I was surprised to see inferno staves of the plague doctor listed for 100K+ in guild stores. The explanation was that health tanks were using destro ult in zergs, based on the way it scales on maximum health.

No ultimate scales from health

KingYogi415 · September 2017

Yes!

It's meta with a Sea Elf Necromancer.

Cheers!

Savos_Saren · February 2018

Couldn't you run 5h/1m/1l Innate and Ysgramor to put 800 damage toward your Gripping Shards and Arctic Blast? I was going to run that with Ice Heart for the extra crit, shields, and DoTs.

You could allocate all points to health and use prismatic enchantments. That way, you'd still get high health pools- but your Gripping Shards and Arctic Blast (along with any other class skill) would hit much harder.

Lynx7386 · February 2018

I run it on my warden tank, back barred with my frost staff. It's an instant 10% max health heal and 10% more over 10 seconds (2% every 2 seconds). The heal is decent enough, especially combined with other healing sources, but the damage is frost so it can also help apply chill/maim and root enemies combined with frost blockade.

For an actual damage dealing skill, It's not going to be very useful. It's just a self heal with some aoe damage over time attached for the utility.

Waffennacht · February 2018

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Couldn't you run 5h/1m/1l Innate and Ysgramor to put 800 damage toward your Gripping Shards and Arctic Blast? I was going to run that with Ice Heart for the extra crit, shields, and DoTs.

You could allocate all points to health and use prismatic enchantments. That way, you'd still get high health pools- but your Gripping Shards and Arctic Blast (along with any other class skill) would hit much harder.

Blast and gripping scale to max health. Axiom etc will have no effect

Savos_Saren · February 2018

Axiom should have an effect since Gripping Scale is a class ability. Blast is still frost damage, too. The heal of Blast might not be effected, though.

The damage portion of both abilities is Frost damage and both are class abilities. Innate and Ysgramor should effect the damage- no matter if it scales off health, magicka, or stamina.