Sigtric wrote: »

I recently gave Soul Assault another look. So many people crying about it on the forums, it must be a killer right?

Really the only people it worked well on were the ones that did nothing to try to counter it.

Ohhhhhhhhh, you mean the same people that die to ballista!

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Thought Bubble!

Ultimates can't crit right? I wonder how many people who are dying to it are also using impen? It would not suprise me at all if there was a correlation between people using other traits surviving and those using the anti-crit trait dying.

Incorrect. Ultimates crit.

scipionumatia wrote: »

@s7732425ub17_ESO
@Koolio
I've got other videos of me wrecking soul assault users if you'd like me to upload em to YouTube. Also I can start recording every time I kill one if you like, granted I don't see many people using this ultimate all that often.

Edit- also the point I'm trying to make is it's not as lethal as many here are trying to make it seem. As you see in the video I was down to about half health after initial damage, and food wearing off in the beginning of the fight. I survived the whole channel, I didn't actually engage him until he started using RD. My stam wasn't hurt that bad as you can see and I don't have an uncommonly large stam pool, I think at the time of recording it was around 32k stam?
So how'd I survive?
1- block
2- vigor ticks + maintain uptime on burning heart passive

** double edit- looks like i didn't even have vigor or rally up, survived it with 0 heals**

Like I said earlier, when someone is channeling this they aren't blocking, they will eat all your damage right to the face and as long as you can burst faster than their soul assault ticks you shouldn't have a problem.

Your a heavy armored S&B stamdk of course it's not gonna hurt you or cost that much stam compared to a meduim armor 2h and bow build.No reason to run S&B on a Meduim armor because you cut off stam regen and your better off running heavy with s&b anyway.Run a Meduim armor 2h and bow stamdk and that Magplar would have melted you.Heavy and light armor soul assault is fine if you run a Shield it gives you magic back.

@KingJ
Your might be right, but as someone else posted that's the rock to medium users scissors. You choose to run a high sustain and high burst build soul assault can be a counter to that. It's about trade offs and this is one of the least op ulti out there.
Speaking of trade offs, people sacrifice a ultimate slot for this because it's a counter to cloaking nbs. Somewhat similar to how some people sacrifice an armor set to run shield breaker to counter shield stacking sorc.

If you die to soul assault you should be ashamed of yourself or you actually have no resources and deserve to die.

It's so easy to shield, block, harness, ward, cloak through soul assault.

Jesus. Let's nerf everything because we can't learn to counter it.

scipionumatia wrote: »

@KingJ
Your might be right, but as someone else posted that's the rock to medium users scissors. You choose to run a high sustain and high burst build soul assault can be a counter to that. It's about trade offs and this is one of the least op ulti out there.
Speaking of trade offs, people sacrifice a ultimate slot for this because it's a counter to cloaking nbs. Somewhat similar to how some people sacrifice an armor set to run shield breaker to counter shield stacking sorc.

Least op ulti? Where do you get that from? Btw nightblades are the only class that at least has some kind of counter to it in a medium armor build. They can cloak it off midway through.
Also, you need high base regen to achieve your mentioned "high sustain" in MA, compared to HA.

And no, you don't "sacrifice" an ultimate slot. It is not like this is a bad ultimate. Especially against anyone without a shield or ward. And 2-4 piece boni of shieldbreaker aren't exactly bad anyway. Plus you can run it on backbar only. So don't talk about sacrifices.

mmolegends44 wrote: »

the title explains it all nothing left unsaid.

The title explains nothing, OP is just annoyed and either can't figure out how to or can't be bothered to explain.

scipionumatia wrote: »

@KingJ
Your might be right, but as someone else posted that's the rock to medium users scissors. You choose to run a high sustain and high burst build soul assault can be a counter to that. It's about trade offs and this is one of the least op ulti out there.
Speaking of trade offs, people sacrifice a ultimate slot for this because it's a counter to cloaking nbs. Somewhat similar to how some people sacrifice an armor set to run shield breaker to counter shield stacking sorc.

@scipionumatia actually stamblade is the only class that it doesn't counter.You can cloak it after 2 seconds only stam class that can really survive it is NB and stamwarden but stamwarden p2w.Play a Meduim armor stamplar,sorc or Dk and your screwed.Like I said it's the least OP ultimate to you a person who runs a set up that doesn't effect you even with it almost killing you in that video.Add a Vamp bane or a javelin after the soul assault you would have been dead during the second tick of the RD.What not Op about it drains 17k stam if you just block it 21k if you try to heal.

You know every ultimate but incap strikes is undodgable and it's the only ultimate that drains 17k+stam.How do you expect a Meduim armor build to survive we have no bonus to healing other than class base only thing we have is dodge and many abilities go through dodge roll.Honestly tell me what trade off does that person who use soul assault have?It destroy meduim armor builds,unlike shield breaker which only hurts magsorc and does nothing against every other build. There a draw back soul assault there no drawbacks.

Only build you can reasonable do as a Meduim armor build is high sustain build so you can do your main defense which is dodge roll since dodge roll is expensive as hell and you have to dodge multiple abilities in a row at times.

I thought of an idea! What if we get rid of the snare and lower the range to 20 meters. This makes it so a medium armor build can try to escape the damage ticks. Then you have another counter added along with heavy armor blocking and nb 2 second cloak. This is balanced in my opinion as the bow ult which essentially the same but for stamina doesn't give CC immunity or a snare or cloak detection. Not to mention it costs what like 75 more ult iirc?

@KingJ
So I provide 2 ways you can counter it and your reply is "they will use it after your offensive ulti".
And "no one I know uses mist form Therefore it's bad" and "but my magika!"
Dude. What. Solution. Do. You. Want.
Want it removed from the game all together? Seems like what your getting at.

Edit- btw elusive mist gives 75% damage reduction and major expedition AND makes your immune to snares and cc. Significantly better than quick cloak

Lol I jumped on my Magplar last night to show a guild mate just how disgustingly OP soul assault is, my tooltip IN cyrodil is 48k over 2.5 seconds - you follow it up with jesus beam and there's not many out there that can out shield and out block that much damage over such a short time or still have any resources left to defend a second jesus beam if they do

scipionumatia wrote: »

@KingJ
So I provide 2 ways you can counter it and your reply is "they will use it after your offensive ulti".
And "no one I know uses mist form Therefore it's bad" and "but my magika!"
Dude. What. Solution. Do. You. Want.
Want it removed from the game all together? Seems like what your getting at.

Edit- btw elusive mist gives 75% damage reduction and major expedition AND makes your immune to snares and cc. Significantly better than quick cloak

Mist form cuts of mag regen, sprint and the usage of all your abilites. While Quick Cloak gives an AoE and restricts nothing. Hard to compare, don't you think?

But point is, you still insists it doesn't do much on your heavy armor templar with a defensive ultimate up or while using a rather restricting skill. All while ignoring that it is about how you fare in medium armor, how not every class has access to such healing or can maintain a slot and 6k resources for a skill that does far better on magicka builds than on MA stamina. Remember 6k magicka on usually around 9-10k max mag are a high investment, taken into account that they need to use other magicka skills as well.

So you advise every MA sDK and MA sS to reroll NB or Templar and run heavy? Plus adding mist form to each and every MA build instead of taking a hard look at the own cheap ultimate that might or might not overperform? How about raising ultimate costs to 100 or 120 and let it tick half as often while keeping total dmg? Sounds fair or do you think that will let you loose your instant kill button against medium armor builds?

scipionumatia wrote: »

@KingJ
So I provide 2 ways you can counter it and your reply is "they will use it after your offensive ulti".
And "no one I know uses mist form Therefore it's bad" and "but my magika!"
Dude. What. Solution. Do. You. Want.
Want it removed from the game all together? Seems like what your getting at.

Edit- btw elusive mist gives 75% damage reduction and major expedition AND makes your immune to snares and cc. Significantly better than quick cloak

I just explained to you why your suggestion were bad and weren't practical in a ideal situation rite of passage will work for a stamplar and means you playing pretty defensive,which mean your sustain is hurting killing things is how you sustain your self as a stamplar.If your low on stam and don't have it up or you had to use it before to survive another burst your screwed for your suggestion to work you have to pretty much not be in a fight to begin with and not try to kill your enemy.

Mist form still bugged if you get gap closed your still snared and been rooted while in it.While also being a Vamp,you take more fire damage on a stamplar that's ok but if your using mist form you won't have the magic to purge and your dead,same with NB no magic you can't heal,stam sorc no magic no dark deal for stam.

What I want is a good solution that work for all classes and not a heavy armor stamdk/stamplar or heavy armor magplar and Dk telling me the damn thing is fine or its weak when its not it destroy meduim armor builds while meduim is already the weakest armor type.Reduce the ticks, remove the snare damn just make it intrruptable but keep everything else and it be balanced right nowits broken.