I understand your point @Turelus however its a matter of perception. And I personally don't see the problem in crates any more than I see an issue with every day marketing which is all intended to separate people from their cash with clever tactics.
They are charging a huge premium for items people don't need they just want. If people are willing to pay that much or take the risk thats up to them. And its healthy for the rest if us that the game is profitable as it means longevity
The anti crate argument would stack up if no one bought them i.e. Amazing mounts going to waste but people are. Crate mounts are the most common in the game. Every season sells like hot cakes so as a income generator its working hugely well and enough people are happy with it (rightly or wrongly)
As everything we all agree to differ, I personally have control over impulse and my finances so I'm ok with it all in this game. Others don't and I feel for them but no more about crates than I do then getting sucked into buying the latest Phone or car or exercise thing from a shopping channel! It's all just marketing.
@Beardimus it's not about them making money, it's about the way they do it.
I am fine paying someone for a service or items I want, but when they start manipulating the way I get those to get more money from me and I get less out of it then it starts to get insulting.
An example for ESO.
I don't agree with crates but there was the build in mechanic via the gems that there was a limit on the money needed to be spent to get the rarest items. This meant if you REALLY wanted an apex item you could get it with enough investment.
However that wasn't good enough for ZOS, so they went and added items which can't be purchased with gems, meaning anyone who wants that item has no limit on the money they must now spend to obtain it.
It's insulting and rude to the customers who love and support the game.
Seriously don't get the issue people have with a company making money.
Seriously don't get the issue people have with a company making money.
Worst offenders is games like arch age, pwi and other free mmos with massive pay walls or pay to win aspects.
Zos isnt innocent but not the worst ive ever seen. Not by a long shot. Whales in pwi spend thousands (no exaggeration) every month for pvp gear. Games like that need gambling laws to step in, unfortunately anything international online is like living in international waters and only the most basic limits are set in place to protect players from gambling addiction.
Meh. This is entertainment. If you aren't able to control yourself and only spend what your budget comfortably allows, that's not ZOS' fault. Get some personal responsibility in your life. Sure ZOS uses addictive tactics. Those who fall for these tactics to the point of jeopardizing their livelihood are just weak-minded people who lack control of themselves. It's not society's responsibility to make sure you are in control of yourself. It's yours, and yours alone.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Meh. This is entertainment. If you aren't able to control yourself and only spend what your budget comfortably allows, that's not ZOS' fault. Get some personal responsibility in your life. Sure ZOS uses addictive tactics. Those who fall for these tactics to the point of jeopardizing their livelihood are just weak-minded people who lack control of themselves. It's not society's responsibility to make sure you are in control of yourself. It's yours, and yours alone.
I'll remember that if and when your the one on the other side of the fence.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Meh. This is entertainment. If you aren't able to control yourself and only spend what your budget comfortably allows, that's not ZOS' fault. Get some personal responsibility in your life. Sure ZOS uses addictive tactics. Those who fall for these tactics to the point of jeopardizing their livelihood are just weak-minded people who lack control of themselves. It's not society's responsibility to make sure you are in control of yourself. It's yours, and yours alone.
I'll remember that if and when your the one on the other side of the fence.
Lols. Be sure that you do. Every decision in my life was made by myself, and I take full responsibility. To say otherwise is utterly absurd.
Chocolate is unbelievably addictive. If I go to the store, buy $500 worth of chocolate, eat it all in one sitting, get sick and puke all over the parking lot, I don't go back into the store and yell at them for presenting Chocolate to me in such an "enticing" way, and demand they give me my money back.
This is the same type of logic utilized by those who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Meh. This is entertainment. If you aren't able to control yourself and only spend what your budget comfortably allows, that's not ZOS' fault. Get some personal responsibility in your life. Sure ZOS uses addictive tactics. Those who fall for these tactics to the point of jeopardizing their livelihood are just weak-minded people who lack control of themselves. It's not society's responsibility to make sure you are in control of yourself. It's yours, and yours alone.
I'll remember that if and when your the one on the other side of the fence.
Lols. Be sure that you do. Every decision in my life was made by myself, and I take full responsibility. To say otherwise is utterly absurd.
Chocolate is unbelievably addictive. If I go to the store, buy $500 worth of chocolate, eat it all in one sitting, get sick and puke all over the parking lot, I don't go back into the store and yell at them for presenting Chocolate to me in such an "enticing" way, and demand they give me my money back.
This is the same type of logic utilized by those who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.
Except that analogy has *** all to do with this.
The store does not say "BUY ALL CHOCOLATE FOR THIS INFLATED PRICE FOR THIS LIMITED TIME OR GET NONE". The store also does not require you to buy a indeterminate ammount of things to get the chocolate. The tactics, marketing, and approach are completely different. And one is alot more honest.
It's not absurd to say that you can be influenced. And the more you act against your own interest, the easier that becomes to do.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Meh. This is entertainment. If you aren't able to control yourself and only spend what your budget comfortably allows, that's not ZOS' fault. Get some personal responsibility in your life. Sure ZOS uses addictive tactics. Those who fall for these tactics to the point of jeopardizing their livelihood are just weak-minded people who lack control of themselves. It's not society's responsibility to make sure you are in control of yourself. It's yours, and yours alone.
I'll remember that if and when your the one on the other side of the fence.
Lols. Be sure that you do. Every decision in my life was made by myself, and I take full responsibility. To say otherwise is utterly absurd.
Chocolate is unbelievably addictive. If I go to the store, buy $500 worth of chocolate, eat it all in one sitting, get sick and puke all over the parking lot, I don't go back into the store and yell at them for presenting Chocolate to me in such an "enticing" way, and demand they give me my money back.
This is the same type of logic utilized by those who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.
Except that analogy has *** all to do with this.
The store does not say "BUY ALL CHOCOLATE FOR THIS INFLATED PRICE FOR THIS LIMITED TIME OR GET NONE". The store also does not require you to buy a indeterminate ammount of things to get the chocolate. The tactics, marketing, and approach are completely different. And one is alot more honest.
It's not absurd to say that you can be influenced. And the more you act against your own interest, the easier that becomes to do.
Your entire rebuttal lost all intelligence at the point you used the word "require".
@Doctordarkspawn we just agree to differ. I'm not being taken advantage of, I've never wasted money on these things, £30 base game, £30 Morrison's and ESO + on and off. And its the cheapest hobby I have. I'm in control of my impulse around pixels and financially happy with my spend. I'm glad others spend more to keep the game profitable.
@clocksstoppe the game is PEGI rated. Of parents let their kids play a game, with a credit card attached that's not ZOS fault.
Again, we agree to differ, for me this is nothing but marketing practices - all of which I actually hate, Apple hype in particular, but i don't fall for personally. ZOS are no different to any company making a buck as I've said before.
Regardless unless the law changes and stops them, or they aren't profitable (we know they are) they are going nowhere.
If you truly believe ZOS are the evil empire, stop supporting the game at all,
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Meh. This is entertainment. If you aren't able to control yourself and only spend what your budget comfortably allows, that's not ZOS' fault. Get some personal responsibility in your life. Sure ZOS uses addictive tactics. Those who fall for these tactics to the point of jeopardizing their livelihood are just weak-minded people who lack control of themselves. It's not society's responsibility to make sure you are in control of yourself. It's yours, and yours alone.
I'll remember that if and when your the one on the other side of the fence.
Lols. Be sure that you do. Every decision in my life was made by myself, and I take full responsibility. To say otherwise is utterly absurd.
Chocolate is unbelievably addictive. If I go to the store, buy $500 worth of chocolate, eat it all in one sitting, get sick and puke all over the parking lot, I don't go back into the store and yell at them for presenting Chocolate to me in such an "enticing" way, and demand they give me my money back.
This is the same type of logic utilized by those who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.
Except that analogy has *** all to do with this.
The store does not say "BUY ALL CHOCOLATE FOR THIS INFLATED PRICE FOR THIS LIMITED TIME OR GET NONE". The store also does not require you to buy a indeterminate ammount of things to get the chocolate. The tactics, marketing, and approach are completely different. And one is alot more honest.
It's not absurd to say that you can be influenced. And the more you act against your own interest, the easier that becomes to do.
Your entire rebuttal lost all intelligence at the point you used the word "require".
Then why do you waste time by posting? Refute it or leave it,
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Meh. This is entertainment. If you aren't able to control yourself and only spend what your budget comfortably allows, that's not ZOS' fault. Get some personal responsibility in your life. Sure ZOS uses addictive tactics. Those who fall for these tactics to the point of jeopardizing their livelihood are just weak-minded people who lack control of themselves. It's not society's responsibility to make sure you are in control of yourself. It's yours, and yours alone.
I'll remember that if and when your the one on the other side of the fence.
Lols. Be sure that you do. Every decision in my life was made by myself, and I take full responsibility. To say otherwise is utterly absurd.
Chocolate is unbelievably addictive. If I go to the store, buy $500 worth of chocolate, eat it all in one sitting, get sick and puke all over the parking lot, I don't go back into the store and yell at them for presenting Chocolate to me in such an "enticing" way, and demand they give me my money back.
This is the same type of logic utilized by those who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.
Except that analogy has *** all to do with this.
The store does not say "BUY ALL CHOCOLATE FOR THIS INFLATED PRICE FOR THIS LIMITED TIME OR GET NONE". The store also does not require you to buy a indeterminate ammount of things to get the chocolate. The tactics, marketing, and approach are completely different. And one is alot more honest.
It's not absurd to say that you can be influenced. And the more you act against your own interest, the easier that becomes to do.
Your entire rebuttal lost all intelligence at the point you used the word "require".
Then why do you waste time by posting? Refute it or leave it,
You may want to start applying your own advice to yourself.
My point was a refutation for the strength of your sanity.
No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
Meh. This is entertainment. If you aren't able to control yourself and only spend what your budget comfortably allows, that's not ZOS' fault. Get some personal responsibility in your life. Sure ZOS uses addictive tactics. Those who fall for these tactics to the point of jeopardizing their livelihood are just weak-minded people who lack control of themselves. It's not society's responsibility to make sure you are in control of yourself. It's yours, and yours alone.
Tavore1138 wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
There's a pretty large body of study that supports addiction not being something that can be simply or easily controlled by those who are most susceptible to it.