Remove the laser beam tether from Warden Betty?

Phinix1 · August 2017

EDIT:

Betty visual change not noticeable or helping.

Warden, Fixes & Improvements

Animal Companions

Betty Netch: Reduced the intensity of the visual effects from this ability and its morphs.

I am truly saddened to report that if this was in fact changed on the PTS, it makes essentially no visual difference whatsoever and does nothing to help people like myself who have trouble playing Warden due to health issues caused by this radically overblown and totally out of place visual effect.

Back when Mage Light had an orb orbiting the player and it was causing headaches and other problems, ZOS first added an option to disable it in visual settings and then finally removed it altogether. This terrible effect is 10x worse than that ever was.

As someone with a Brain Cavernoma causing recurring hemorrhagic stroke, this effect is preventing me from enjoying the class that was one of the main reasons I bought Morrowind in the first place. After a short time looking at this effect I have a horrible headache and start suffering micro-siezures, and end up having to just log off and lay down.

The beam is still WAY too bright and the sparkle effec ton the player is like a radioactive bee swarm; WAY over done. The whole thing is out of place with nearly every other ability in the game.

I suggest leaving the glow around the betty, removing the current visual from the player and adding something more SUBTLE like swirling leaves with way less glow, and either remove the beam or make it near transparent.

@ZOS_GinaBruno if the devs are married to this jarring unnatural beam for some reason, can you at least ask them to PLEASE add a toggle like they did for the Mage Light effect when it was causing siezures?

The idea that it is needed to identify a build is obsolete by costumes and sword+shield PVP builds anyway.

I love the Warden class, but the visual effect of the laser beam tether when using the Betty (any morph) is to me jarring, immersion-breaking, and overpowering to the point of distraction. I personally think it would be perfect to keep the glow around the Betty itself but completely remove the tether. That would distinguish it from vanity pets. Others might want to change the ability entirely, but I suspect this graphic to be universally hated as no one I have talked to has enjoyed it.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Is it possible we can get this changed?

As a person prone to seizures due to stroke, this effect actually makes it hard for me to play my Wardens.

Ackwalan · August 2017

The other day in PvP, that beam led straight to a stealthed group. They died.

Phinix1 · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

I'm honestly surprised so many appear to like it. To me it is the most geometric and unnatural looking of all abilities in the game.

Cpt_Teemo · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

Get rid of the beam, and give it health and last till it dies like the sorc pets

Runschei · August 2017

Other: Please explain what you would like ZOS to do with the Betty effects.

I don't really care, but I won't be in the way of its removal or whatever happens.

Oakmontowls_ESO · August 2017

No, leave the laser beam tether.

The beam not only distinguishes it as a combat pet but also lets enemies in PVP to identify which player is using the skill.

zaria · August 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

I'm honestly surprised so many appear to like it. To me it is the most geometric and unnatural looking of all abilities in the game.

Its too strong for one, far to strong, don't mind a line but make it less like an laser.

Morgul667 · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

Too shiny but if they remove it people will complain that they cant see the netch is still here or not ^^

geonsocal · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

hate it...

Phinix1 · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

The beam not only distinguishes it as a combat pet but also lets enemies in PVP to identify which player is using the skill.

I don't agree with this argument, based on the existing behavior of literally every other pet in the game. Sorc pets for example, which are far more common than Warden netches, do not have ANY visual effect that shows what Sorc they belong to.

Also people have costumes to hide vampirism, or so you can't visually tell what type of armor they are actually wearing. So, the idea that we need a jarring and unnatural laser beam effect on a standard buff is really against all established behavior.

I could accept if someone just liked the effect, though I can't say I would understand it. But to keep it based on the above logic I feel would not be justified.

Jade1986 · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

At the very least the colors needed to be kept the same for the magicka and stamina morph because it literally tells the enemy which poison to use against you.

Dymence · August 2017

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

The beam not only distinguishes it as a combat pet but also lets enemies in PVP to identify which player is using the skill.

You can't use non-combat pets in PVP so I hardly see why this would be a necessity.

supaskrub · August 2017

laced wrote: »

At the very least the colors needed to be kept the same for the magicka and stamina morph because it literally tells the enemy which poison to use against you.

Its a zero cost regen ability and you want it "stealthed" so others can't tell whether your build is mag or stam.. Its right that it gives an indication of the players build, imo being a free cast ability there should still be a price to pay and if being identified as a stam or mag build is that price then so be it.

yukikenzo · August 2017

No, leave the laser beam tether.

I like the beam my betty is tethering with me. Also did you notice that the bull netch is not green anymore? Kinda weird looking after HotR patch (at least on PS4)

TelvanniWizard · August 2017

No, leave the laser beam tether.

I like it. It's very magic.

Chufu · August 2017

No, leave the laser beam tether.

No, I like this beam!

Irfind · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

if only it would sneak with me ... but nooo *ther is the warden and his group sneaking* ae räm bätsch .... just NOOOO

GreenhaloX · August 2017

No, leave the laser beam tether.

I actually like the beam, but not particularly fond of the betty, though. Stringing around a little jellyfish/squid looking thing. What the..? Ha ha

Jade1986 · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

supaskrub wrote: »

laced wrote: »

At the very least the colors needed to be kept the same for the magicka and stamina morph because it literally tells the enemy which poison to use against you.

Its a zero cost regen ability and you want it "stealthed" so others can't tell whether your build is mag or stam.. Its right that it gives an indication of the players build, imo being a free cast ability there should still be a price to pay and if being identified as a stam or mag build is that price then so be it.

im not saying remove it completely, im saying keep it one color, because no other class has that big " I AM STAM OR MAGICKA " flag except warden.

SodanTok · August 2017

Other: Please explain what you would like ZOS to do with the Betty effects.

The beam could get little less strong and bright, but most importantly the bug where you see people in stealth because of it should be fixed.

Tyrobag · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

Honestly, I'd rather they just rework the visuals entirely. The netch is 100% necessary for any warden build, but it breaks the theme of just about any build you want to make from it (not that warden is very useful to start with, but still).

Iccengi · August 2017

SodanTok wrote: »

The beam could get little less strong and bright, but most importantly the bug where you see people in stealth because of it should be fixed.

Agreed

Defilted · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

I do not care if any visual effect is changed on this ability.

I saw someone suggested changing the way it works. Please no. Do not change it. It works great and needs no change.

Autumnhart · August 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

Also dim it about 50% and lower or raise it. Don't need it randomly drifting into and occupying my entire field of vision. The netch is the single reason I'm not excited about grouping with wardens.

Phinix1 · September 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

Since the effect in question is presently bugged anyway (revealing stealth) I think it is a good time to revisit this request.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

My suggestion: Make the Betty effect like a softer arcane glowing leaf swirl around you and keep the effect strength on the Betty more or less but LOSE THE BEAM!

sevomd69 · September 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

but... its so bright and shiny... so pretty...

grannas211 · September 2017

No, leave the laser beam tether.

I like it. No real reason to be honest.

They do need to fix the stealth issue though if it's going to stay. That's a pretty big deal.

Jade1986 · September 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

Either way it goes, the stealth problem needs to be ( and is being ) adressed.

Jade1986 · September 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Get rid of the beam, and give it health and last till it dies like the sorc pets

HELL NO! That would mean our major brutality would go down the drain 24/7

SydneyGrey · September 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

grannas211 wrote: »

They do need to fix the stealth issue though if it's going to stay. That's a pretty big deal.

That definitely needs to be addressed. I've been wondering if a sorc has a combat pet in PvP, can the enemies see the pet when the sorc is stealthed? *Inquiring minds want to know*

Jade1986 · September 2017

Yes, please remove the bright laser beam tether part of the effect.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

grannas211 wrote: »

They do need to fix the stealth issue though if it's going to stay. That's a pretty big deal.

That definitely needs to be addressed. I've been wondering if a sorc has a combat pet in PvP, can the enemies see the pet when the sorc is stealthed? *Inquiring minds want to know*

No other ability puts a big bullseye on you in sneak mode in the game. Every other major brutality buff that isnt an attack can be used perfectly fine ( albeit it may pull you out during activation ) in sneak.

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