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ALLIANCE CHANGE TOKEN POLL
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White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!paulsimonps wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
@White wabbitWhite wabbit wrote: »Oh look this faction is wining let me join them , oh look that one is now winning let me swap
If it was a crown store token that was 2000 crowns in the store, that would not be a problem, and if someone did still do that.... then fricking let them. Nobody said it had to be something that we could swap on a whim
So what your really saying is that you don't care about faction balance , come play as Dc on Eu Xbox then your see what alliance change could end being like
You don't get it do you? If to cost real life money to change factions then many would not do it and if they did they only once. The balance of factions would be mainly unaffected by this type of thing. And I don't need to go to your specific faction to see anything, stuff like that changes ALL THE TIME, and it goes from faction to faction, campaign to campaign, even hour to hour how populated a faction is. People will not be changing back and forth over and over again if the battles goes bad if it costs them $20 every time they do it.
And you don't get it , there are factions that are already over populated that if a small percentage of the underdog alliance swapped over it would be even worse , if people want to be in that alliance then work for it not have a easy route
THAT CHANGES ALL THE TIME FROM FACTION TO FACTION THOUGH! OK. People would not spend 20 dollars every time their faction got in a bit of trouble, and the faction that is the "underdog" changes all the time, you can't declare yourself as the permanent underdog of a campaign just cause you lost a lot.
Might be true on Pc , but on other platforms Ad and pact can put up 6-7 bars over the various campaigns Dc maybe 3 bars on a good day , so allowing an idea like this may make the faction balance even worse , but hey you have your opinion which is wanting g the easy option , if you wanted to play on a different faction then make a toon on that faction0 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.White wabbit wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »
@White wabbitWhite wabbit wrote: »Oh look this faction is wining let me join them , oh look that one is now winning let me swap
If it was a crown store token that was 2000 crowns in the store, that would not be a problem, and if someone did still do that.... then fricking let them. Nobody said it had to be something that we could swap on a whim
So what your really saying is that you don't care about faction balance , come play as Dc on Eu Xbox then your see what alliance change could end being like
You don't get it do you? If to cost real life money to change factions then many would not do it and if they did they only once. The balance of factions would be mainly unaffected by this type of thing. And I don't need to go to your specific faction to see anything, stuff like that changes ALL THE TIME, and it goes from faction to faction, campaign to campaign, even hour to hour how populated a faction is. People will not be changing back and forth over and over again if the battles goes bad if it costs them $20 every time they do it.
And you don't get it , there are factions that are already over populated that if a small percentage of the underdog alliance swapped over it would be even worse , if people want to be in that alliance then work for it not have a easy route
THAT CHANGES ALL THE TIME FROM FACTION TO FACTION THOUGH! OK. People would not spend 20 dollars every time their faction got in a bit of trouble, and the faction that is the "underdog" changes all the time, you can't declare yourself as the permanent underdog of a campaign just cause you lost a lot.
Might be true on Pc , but on other platforms Ad and pact can put up 6-7 bars over the various campaigns Dc maybe 3 bars on a good day , so allowing an idea like this may make the faction balance even worse , but hey you have your opinion which is wanting g the easy option , if you wanted to play on a different faction then make a toon on that faction
If you read my earlier comments you will see that that is not what I asked for.1 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.@White wabbit @paulsimonps My proposal was insisting a pretty long cooldown (months) so flip flopping alliances often would not be plausible. Therefore rendering the argument you guys are having rather redundant.Edited by Shadzilla on September 2, 2017 12:07AM3 -
Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.The much better solution, in my view, would be to have factions associated with guilds, not races. That way you can fight for whoever you like.
Cadwell Silver and Gold makes the PVE faction irrelevant, so why not extend that to Cyrodil.
You could even explore neutral factions, or Rogue agent dynamics0 -
Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!paulsimonps wrote: »
You call it Lazy, I call it wanting to not have to redo 2 years worth of content and achievements on a new character and trying to remember exactly how they were made in character creation simply cause some A hole thinks you need to do it his way.
some A hole thinks you need to do it his way? You mean like you saying we should do things your way? Or the devs who, currently at least, say we do it the way it is now?
you mean its not lazy? whining that you made a bad choice so the devs should put an option in so you can redo your choice, instead of levelling a new character with the options you want. Yeh, id call that lazy. Lazy: unwilling to work or use energy. Yes, the dictionary says it is too.
If she was to be able to change Alliance, how would that personally hurt you? Would you even know? The argument against this type of thing is childish to say the least. How would you ever be able to know if someone you didn't know changed alliance? With that fact that "alt" characters can be any faction and be on the exact same campaign there is already a way for people to swap alliances. People do this all the time and yet no one notices, most don't even care. So how would it hurt to have an option to swap the alliance of an existing character to not have to remake them or lose any progress? There is zero harm in this.
did i suggest it would hurt me? would i give a *** if she changed alliance is more the question? Or should the question be would i rather the devs worked on this to satisfy a bunch of lazy a-holes as you put it above because they chose poorly, instead of working on something better. Yes, i think the devs have better things to do with their time.
If they were to implement this, i think as someone suggested, once you complete Cadwell's Gold you get a one time choice of faction. then and only then, no cost involved.0 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.
This. And on top of this, the alliance change would cost money. No one is going to be flipping alliances on a whim. Like I said earlier, if people wanted to flip alliances on a whim based on whatever's happening in Cyrodiil, they'd just switch characters, so what difference does it make if we get alliance change tokens. Basically the arguments against it are so easily refuted.@White wabbit @paulsimonps My proposal was insisting a pretty long cooldown (months) so flip flopping alliances often would not be plausible. Therefore rendering the argument you guys are having rather redundant.
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Pele✭✭✭✭✭Yes, other. No cooldown because the amount of time between faction changes is irrelevant. It makes no difference if someone changes their faction every year or every day. The end result is the same - they changed their faction.
Also, this would be a luxury available through the Crown Store and cost real money, so that in and of itself would be a deterrent to anyone who wants to constantly switch factions.
As for the argument against this because it would ruin PvP, this is no different than having alts in other factions. This simply makes it so you don't need an alt to play in another faction.2 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!SydneyGrey wrote: »
This. And on top of this, the alliance change would cost money. No one is going to be flipping alliances on a whim. Like I said earlier, if people wanted to flip alliances on a whim based on whatever's happening in Cyrodiil, they'd just switch characters, so what difference does it make if we get alliance change tokens. Basically the arguments against it are so easily refuted.@White wabbit @paulsimonps My proposal was insisting a pretty long cooldown (months) so flip flopping alliances often would not be plausible. Therefore rendering the argument you guys are having rather redundant.
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Yet the majority are against it and still people make new polls for something that isn't needed or wanted0 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.White wabbit wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »
This. And on top of this, the alliance change would cost money. No one is going to be flipping alliances on a whim. Like I said earlier, if people wanted to flip alliances on a whim based on whatever's happening in Cyrodiil, they'd just switch characters, so what difference does it make if we get alliance change tokens. Basically the arguments against it are so easily refuted.@White wabbit @paulsimonps My proposal was insisting a pretty long cooldown (months) so flip flopping alliances often would not be plausible. Therefore rendering the argument you guys are having rather redundant.
Yet the majority are against it and still people make new polls for something that isn't needed or wanted
Its as of me writing this, 128 for it and 99 against it. So the Majority, of those that voted, wants it.4 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.
This. It's split, but with slightly more wanting alliance change than not wanting it.paulsimonps wrote: »Its as of me writing this, 128 for it and 99 against it. So the Majority, of those that voted, wants it.
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LjAnimalchin✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, although it would have to be a 180 day+ cooldown at least.Please please please please please please daddy zos make this happen please please please please please3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I guess we have not had enough unscientific polls on this subject. Not that it matters. If Zos does not want to do such a thing on some sort of principles it is irrelevant how many would want such a thing.
If they do add it, it should be very expensive. Somewhere between 10-25k crowns.1 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.There are those who want to earn alliance achievements on their achievement toon. Those people might also want to PVP (for achievements) with friends who PVP on a different alliance.
Suggested reroll is not an option because the people in this situation already have several toons in the preferred alliance, BUT none of these toons are " the achievement toon".
People generally don't want to (re)earn a lot of achievements because maybe they don't have time to do the same content PVE again.
Please ZOS, make alliance change possible.
Also do NOT punish by removing achievements and pvp ranks that have already been earned.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
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White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!30-40k crowns would be about fair as I see no reason to have this option , if you want to play on another faction then reroll a new character it's the same as people wanting class change there would be no reason to have some many slots you could just change the character you have , but if Zos think they can make money out of the muppets then they will , but just watch the faction balance sway to the biggest alliance on the platform0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!People complain about the bugs in this game, you think they could actually code this properly with all the changes to quests and NPC reactions? You funny.0 -
Xelrick✭✭✭Alternatively, how about Campaign Alliance Select when setting a Home or Guest Campaign. Since, it really where it matters only anyways.
Exception would be you would bound to that Alliance until that specific Campaign ends, on that character. So that even if you abandon campaign or group queue, it'll still remember what alliance you picked for that campaign.
Outside of Cyrodiil, you'll use your default Alliance, or maybe Home Campaign alliance...
This was my thought down the road what would happened anyways...Xelrick: "Do not mix chaos with madness. It will only lead to unexplored adventures."1 -
Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, although it would have to be a 180 day+ cooldown at least.i'm all for an alliance change capability.
as far as i'm concerned, it can be a one time thing.
ymmv.
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SnubbS✭✭✭✭✭It should be on a 30 or 60 day cooldown per character and cost 3500-4000 crowns. This would do nothing to disrupt "The balance of Cyrodiil"—I don't even think anyone apart from the most inexperienced solo player would even try to switch to the "Winning" side. "Winning" in Cyrodiil isn't fun—you make the most AP, and get the best fights when you're pushed to Glademist/Arrius/Faregyl, and have 2 bars vs each alliance having three.3
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Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.i'm all for an alliance change capability.
as far as i'm concerned, it can be a one time thing.
ymmv.
1 time thing I really don't see ZOS doing. You have to look at it from a third party perspective. ZOS is a business, if they are going to do something like that, they are going to want money/profit from it. Exactly like race/name change tokens.0 -
Autumnhart✭✭✭✭i'm all for an alliance change capability.
as far as i'm concerned, it can be a one time thing.
ymmv.
1 time thing I really don't see ZOS doing. You have to look at it from a third party perspective. ZOS is a business, if they are going to do something like that, they are going to want money/profit from it. Exactly like race/name change tokens.
They have made game changes in the past that weren't about direct monetization. Race and name changes have no effect on the overall game. Alliance changes with no limit in number or time would.Shadow hide you.1 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.Autumnhart wrote: »i'm all for an alliance change capability.
as far as i'm concerned, it can be a one time thing.
ymmv.
1 time thing I really don't see ZOS doing. You have to look at it from a third party perspective. ZOS is a business, if they are going to do something like that, they are going to want money/profit from it. Exactly like race/name change tokens.
They have made game changes in the past that weren't about direct monetization. Race and name changes have no effect on the overall game. Alliance changes with no limit in number or time would.
With cooldowns upwards of months (like I suggested in the poll) that would not be game changing at all... Even if there was no cooldown, I highly doubt there would be many people paying 20 bucks to swap alliances very often. Then again I do see an abnormal amount of people spending hundreds of dollars for certain mounts, so I could be wrong. Regardless, I am in favor of a significant cooldown.1 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.It should be on a 30 or 60 day cooldown per character and cost 3500-4000 crowns. This would do nothing to disrupt "The balance of Cyrodiil"—I don't even think anyone apart from the most inexperienced solo player would even try to switch to the "Winning" side. "Winning" in Cyrodiil isn't fun—you make the most AP, and get the best fights when you're pushed to Glademist/Arrius/Faregyl, and have 2 bars vs each alliance having three.
This.1 -
clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.I really don't give a ***.0 -
Alwari✭✭Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.So let me get this straight... I could change my race in game, and physically go from a furry Khajiit to a scaly Argonian somehow, but my toon can't simply decide to fight for a different faction?
Where is the eyeroll smiley when you need it?
When I started this game over a month ago I didn't even understand the alliance PvP system or it's importance. What irritates me is that now that I've made friends online and found a guild I want to participate with regularly, I can't because I'm in the wrong alliance. My goal is to 100% this game and I've already completed Caldwells Gold and most of the other main quests, so I have zero interest in "grinding" out another character, but I can't play with my new friends in PvP unless I do so. If ZOS wants to promote the social aspect of this game and encourage people to play with each other and in guilds then please make some sort of option to change the alliance you started out with. Either a one time option to change, a token purchased in the store with some sort of cool down period to prevent people from switching too often, or anything else would be better than nothing.
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Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.I voted for the option most similar to what the OP wants but I'd go one further and say that characters don't have alliances, they merely choose start locations.
But, in this model, you have to be in guild to do PvP and the guild WOULD have an Alliance.
That way a guild wouldn't require characters of a certain faction, they'd all fight for the guild's faction when they went out.
The limitation would be you could only play a character on one server for one faction with a 90 day cool down0 -
Titansteele✭✭✭✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!paulsimonps wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »
This. And on top of this, the alliance change would cost money. No one is going to be flipping alliances on a whim. Like I said earlier, if people wanted to flip alliances on a whim based on whatever's happening in Cyrodiil, they'd just switch characters, so what difference does it make if we get alliance change tokens. Basically the arguments against it are so easily refuted.@White wabbit @paulsimonps My proposal was insisting a pretty long cooldown (months) so flip flopping alliances often would not be plausible. Therefore rendering the argument you guys are having rather redundant.
Yet the majority are against it and still people make new polls for something that isn't needed or wanted
Its as of me writing this, 128 for it and 99 against it. So the Majority, of those that voted, wants it.
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Drazkyth✭✭✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!It's already far too easy to switch campaigns and alliances. I would rather Alliances be account locked rather than character locked or at the very least when you chose a campaign with a particular alliance you are stuck with that alliance/campaign for it's duration. There are far too many people switching alliances and campaigns to advance a particular side via an opposing alliance it's ridiculous.PC EU
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randomkeyhits✭✭✭✭✭I'm another vote for locking alliance choice to account.
This would meet the requirement of people who want to play with their friends on any of their characters.
The actual alliance change token, with a decent cool down, sure. Peoples situations change and sometimes its necessary.
To cater to the "I want to be on the winning side people...." make it not too cheap.EU PS40 -
Messy1✭✭✭✭✭
✭No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!Actually, I really don't care, but . . .
ALL 12 OF MY CHARACTERS WILL STAY DC and will bleed blue on the faces of the AD and EP as I claw at their faces with my fingernails!!!!!!0
