ALLIANCE CHANGE TOKEN POLL

svartorn · August 2017

Alliance doesn't even matter anymore unless you're in Cyrodiil. People from all factions literally walk side by side and can't attack each other unless it's a duel.

Factions are meaningless.

Yakidafi · August 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

More like 30 day cooldown, I mean lose access to 3 campaign months?

Alaztor91 · August 2017

Since you can have different characters in different alliances on the same account, that IMO invalidates any kind of ''faction loyalty'' that some people could use against this proposed change.

If I were in charge I would simply make people choose an alliance at the start of the 30 day campaign and every single character on that account gets locked onto that alliance for the remainder of the campaign. Then when a new campaign starts you can choose again.

This would make the ''Any race, Any alliance'' crown thingie obsolete, but the people that bought it could just have their crowns refunded or something.

Crom_CCCXVI · August 2017

No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!

NO..... just no.
Shouldn't even be able to play for multiple alliances in the same campaign.--- the game was so much more competitive before One Tamriel

If this were to pass, I'd probably quit PvP all together.

D0PAMINE · August 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

I would love this. Then I could really be a triple agent, someone who would sell you all out for a few AP

(until I get killed because I suck at pvp and am too lazy to farm impen or change CP).

tplink3r1 · August 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

a monthly CD is already enough.

tplink3r1 · August 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

NO..... just no.
Shouldn't even be able to play for multiple alliances in the same campaign.--- the game was so much more competitive before One Tamriel

If this were to pass, I'd probably quit PvP all together.

Then you better get ready to leave, because ZOS already said they are looking into it...

Vercingetorix · August 2017

No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!

There will be abuse of this feature, no matter what. PvP is already a damn mess. Adding a faction change option is the equivalent of beating a dying horse with one good leg. I always felt that a player's ACCOUNT should be locked to single faction upon account creation - and that's it. Experiencing the other factions was done through the Silver/Gold questlines - not by rolling another character on another faction in the SAME campaign....

BadLuckCharm · August 2017

hamgatan wrote: »

No. Just no. It's game breaking. It's not simply a matter of just changing a characters alliance.. but their entire progression too.

The problem is the big shift and transition of achievements and skill point distribution. Whilst 1T pretty much quashed the progression of Caldwell's Silver and Gold as each zone to as now accessible and scaled to your level.. the achievement ID's would have remained static.

That makes it very difficult from the perspective of progression because if you started in Auridon, did Grahtwood, then changed alliances, how do you translate the quests you've completed to say Ebonheart equivalents? The only way you could do it then is if the AD zone became your Caldwell's gold.. the quests were still marked complete - but you had to commence the EP base zones from scratch. Will people be motivated to change alliance if they have to do it all again?

Not to mention the lore breaking nature of it will invoke millions of rp'ers tears.

And what about skill points and skyshards.. ?

The thing is that whilst those achievement ID's could technically translate across and still be marked as complete - certain achievements will break completely as they're alliance specific.

It's too big a dogs breakfast to approach.. and if it ever was possible, I would be inclined to make it an option ONLY to people who have completed Caldwell's gold simply so it doesn't break anything achievement wise.. as you then have a marked completion for all main quests

None of this is relevant. I can take a new AD character and do the EP quest line at any time already, i can weave in some DC quests in between to keep things interesting, and pick up the skyshards while i'm there. And get skill points. Heck i already go get the skyshards at the other low-level areas on my new characters just to boost up my available skill points. Absolutely none of this would have to get reset or translated at all. Not even for any of Cadwell's quests: what you've already done is taken into account when you start them.

SydneyGrey · August 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

I don't really care about cooldown period, but if you change alliance, you should lose your rank and all skill points earned fighting for the previous alliance.

I saw someone else suggest this once, and it's actually quite an interesting idea. It's very logical. It's realistic that someone could defect to a different army, but also realistic that they'd have no ranks/titles in the new army, too. Although, it would create a problem, because you can't take away skill points that are already spent, and you can't allow people to get extra skill points by switching factions. So really, even though it's realistic, it wouldn't work in the game because of the skill point thing. ZOS would kind of be forced to keep the players at their same army rank, because it would create a potentially unworkable problem with the skill points.

Malic · August 2017

No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!

Does everything have to be made easier? EVERYTHING?

phairdon · August 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, although it would have to be a 180 day+ cooldown at least.

Yes to this. I want my one AD character to join EP, as all my other characters are EP. Actually wish you could select your alliance when entering Cyrodiil for the first time.

Dysprosium · September 2017

They should allow for alliance change with race change. I thought that this would happen if I changed race so wasted my money on a race token- which they would not exchange for something else- learned the hard way. Given that race is associated to alliance it would make sense that this would be something included in the token. Ridiculous!

max_only · September 2017

Shadzilla wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

My choice isn't on the vote options. I favor having an alliance token, but no need for a cool down. You can create each toon from the 14 character slots available in each alliance if you want. So, I have multiple toons in all alliances. I'm not flip-flopping. I may take my Nord toons out, and at other times, romp around with my Daggerfall or Dominion toons. Many others do the same. So, no need for any cool down period.

I want the alliance token so I can have access to a race in the other alliance when wanting to change a toon, instead of currently having to delete one entirely in order to be able to create a toon only available in other alliances. For example, I had two High Elf sorcs, one being mag and the other a stam. After leveling both, I wanted to change the stam to a Dark Elf, but found out there is not currently a token you can purchase to do so. Thus, I had to delete the Stamsorc toon and recreate the Dark Elf toon from scratch. I have no problem in re-leveling a toon; actually I like it a lot. However, oh crap.. the agony of just getting one mount training piece a day, unless you drop some bucks into purchasing the training bundle from the crown store.

There is such a thing already. Get the Any Race/Any Alliance unlock from the crown store (some versions of ESO came with the Adventure Pack that had this feature) and then use the Race change token.

That still does not change your alliance you fight for in cyro though, that simply allows all races to choose any faction they wish at the start of character creation.

If you read the person I quoted you will see that the fight in Cyrodiil is not their concern. Their concern is being a race that isn't in their alliance.

IcyDeadPeople · September 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

I don't really care about cooldown period, but if you change alliance, you should lose your rank and all skill points earned fighting for the previous alliance.

I saw someone else suggest this once, and it's actually quite an interesting idea. It's very logical. It's realistic that someone could defect to a different army, but also realistic that they'd have no ranks/titles in the new army, too. Although, it would create a problem, because you can't take away skill points that are already spent, and you can't allow people to get extra skill points by switching factions. So really, even though it's realistic, it wouldn't work in the game because of the skill point thing. ZOS would kind of be forced to keep the players at their same army rank, because it would create a potentially unworkable problem with the skill points.

Why not simply reset all skill points, and remove those earned in PVP from the pool?

A more relevant problem with this is that although it's a small amount, you do earn some alliance points in battlegrounds, without playing for any specific faction. I suppose reverting whatever skill points / alliance rank earned through battlegrounds might be a sort of necessary sacrifice when changing faction.

At any rate, these days you progress through the ranks a lot faster than it used to be at launch. If an experienced player wants to switch they could get back up to Assault 6 within a few hours and say, Centurion rank in a month or so of playing. At launch it took longer for most players to reach Centurion, six months to a year.

Swifigames · September 2017

I would assume that espionage would be a viable skill resource in the land of Nirn.
So I would therefore say that flipping Alliance is fine....can people go overboard and abuse the system? Sure, any system can be abused to some extent.
But I don't understand the constant Alliance change posts entirely. Just buy the crown upgrade for any race/any alliance, give new players 1 free switch up front and out of the gate, then continue allowing alliance changes as wanted.
I would NOT be opposed to a cool down timer however, 180 days seems extreme, but a 60-90 day cool down would not bother me.

All that said, I do not invest too much time in PvP. At least not yet....one day.

SydneyGrey · September 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Why not simply reset all skill points, and remove those earned in PVP from the pool?

Hmmm ... could work. That's probably how they'd have to do it.

Slick_007 · September 2017

No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!

or they could just not implement this to satisfy those people who made bad choices and are too lazy to do things the 'hard' way.

wanna pvp with your friend/family? make toons together. level together. fight together. i had a toon that i used for grouping with my friends. played other toons when they werent around so i didnt out level them. or get out of sync with questing.

wanna change faction? start a new toon. in the chosen faction. then you know, when that faction isnt FOTM you can simply swap characters back to your original character rather than changing faction again.

there comes a point where a game caters to the seriously lazy players, and thats the point it becomes a waste of time. WOW did it when it put flight points in every 20 metres, ESO will do it with things like this.

I've been playing MMO's since 96, yes, even before wow. even before graphical mmo's. and this laziness of players is unfortunately not unique to eso. you want the developers to take responsibility for decisions you made that you are unhappy with.

Even 1T was a dumbing down of the game, though there were some good parts to it. I enjoyed going to areas where the mobs were higher and attempting to fight them. Now, all overland mobs except craglorn are the same. theres no challenge in levelling and questing through areas, so i dont see why you cant just level a new toon if you want to change faction.

TelvanniWizard · September 2017

No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!

You traitorous rascals...

iGuavaTH · September 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, although it would have to be a 180 day+ cooldown at least.

I rolled an AD character when I started to play, because my brother was AD. This was before 1T so it was the only way we could play together.

I later created a few more AD, but my main, my 2nd character, is DC. I want alliance change so I can make all my yellows blue. I am DC, only DC, and it would be nice to use my AD in PVP. PVPing for AD is NOT going to happen so w/o alliance change they will never see Cyrondiil.

I don't care if there's a cool down on the change as I will only change once anyway.

paulsimonps · September 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

Slick_007 wrote: »

or they could just not implement this to satisfy those people who made bad choices and are too lazy to do things the 'hard' way.

wanna pvp with your friend/family? make toons together. level together. fight together. i had a toon that i used for grouping with my friends. played other toons when they werent around so i didnt out level them. or get out of sync with questing.

wanna change faction? start a new toon. in the chosen faction. then you know, when that faction isnt FOTM you can simply swap characters back to your original character rather than changing faction again.

there comes a point where a game caters to the seriously lazy players, and thats the point it becomes a waste of time. WOW did it when it put flight points in every 20 metres, ESO will do it with things like this.

I've been playing MMO's since 96, yes, even before wow. even before graphical mmo's. and this laziness of players is unfortunately not unique to eso. you want the developers to take responsibility for decisions you made that you are unhappy with.

Even 1T was a dumbing down of the game, though there were some good parts to it. I enjoyed going to areas where the mobs were higher and attempting to fight them. Now, all overland mobs except craglorn are the same. theres no challenge in levelling and questing through areas, so i dont see why you cant just level a new toon if you want to change faction.

You call it Lazy, I call it wanting to not have to redo 2 years worth of content and achievements on a new character and trying to remember exactly how they were made in character creation simply cause some A hole thinks you need to do it his way. Making a new toon was not the problem for us, my wife just wanted to be able to play on her main that she spent countless hours on with me in EP now instead of her old faction.

If she was to be able to change Alliance, how would that personally hurt you? Would you even know? The argument against this type of thing is childish to say the least. How would you ever be able to know if someone you didn't know changed alliance? With that fact that "alt" characters can be any faction and be on the exact same campaign there is already a way for people to swap alliances. People do this all the time and yet no one notices, most don't even care. So how would it hurt to have an option to swap the alliance of an existing character to not have to remake them or lose any progress? There is zero harm in this.

Rickter · September 2017

No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!

Ive been pvping on Shor and watching AD zerg the map to paint it yellow, then seemingly disappear and suddenly a zerg of EP paint the map red, I'm of the mind that they should completely lock factions.

It's pretty clear that its the same players, in the same guilds, painting the map on their AD characters then switching over to their EP players and flipping emperor.

Sure there are a few players that faction swap to balance campaigns and have "good fights" but in the current system there are just too many ways to abuse and take advantage of the system.

paulsimonps · September 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

Rickter wrote: »

Ive been pvping on Shor and watching AD zerg the map to paint it yellow, then seemingly disappear and suddenly a zerg of EP paint the map red, I'm of the mind that they should completely lock factions.

It's pretty clear that its the same players, in the same guilds, painting the map on their AD characters then switching over to their EP players and flipping emperor.

Sure there are a few players that faction swap to balance campaigns and have "good fights" but in the current system there are just too many ways to abuse and take advantage of the system.

Define "lock factions"

White wabbit · September 2017

No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!

Oh look this faction is wining let me join them , oh look that one is now winning let me swap

paulsimonps · September 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

White wabbit wrote: »

Oh look this faction is wining let me join them , oh look that one is now winning let me swap

@White wabbit
If it was a crown store token that was 2000 crowns in the store, that would not be a problem, and if someone did still do that.... then fricking let them. Nobody said it had to be something that we could swap on a whim

White wabbit · September 2017

No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!

paulsimonps wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Oh look this faction is wining let me join them , oh look that one is now winning let me swap

@White wabbit
If it was a crown store token that was 2000 crowns in the store, that would not be a problem, and if someone did still do that.... then fricking let them. Nobody said it had to be something that we could swap on a whim

So what your really saying is that you don't care about faction balance , come play as Dc on Eu Xbox then your see what alliance change could end being like

brtomkin · September 2017

I have posted in the past that I think it makes sense to give a player a one-time-only opportunity to switch alliances upon completion of the Cadwell's Gold quest-line.

paulsimonps · September 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

White wabbit wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Oh look this faction is wining let me join them , oh look that one is now winning let me swap

@White wabbit
If it was a crown store token that was 2000 crowns in the store, that would not be a problem, and if someone did still do that.... then fricking let them. Nobody said it had to be something that we could swap on a whim

So what your really saying is that you don't care about faction balance , come play as Dc on Eu Xbox then your see what alliance change could end being like

You don't get it do you? If to cost real life money to change factions then many would not do it and if they did they only once. The balance of factions would be mainly unaffected by this type of thing. And I don't need to go to your specific faction to see anything, stuff like that changes ALL THE TIME, and it goes from faction to faction, campaign to campaign, even hour to hour how populated a faction is. People will not be changing back and forth over and over again if the battles goes bad if it costs them $20 every time they do it.

White wabbit · September 2017

No thank you, if you want to play a different alliance go roll an alt!

paulsimonps wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Oh look this faction is wining let me join them , oh look that one is now winning let me swap

@White wabbit
If it was a crown store token that was 2000 crowns in the store, that would not be a problem, and if someone did still do that.... then fricking let them. Nobody said it had to be something that we could swap on a whim

So what your really saying is that you don't care about faction balance , come play as Dc on Eu Xbox then your see what alliance change could end being like

You don't get it do you? If to cost real life money to change factions then many would not do it and if they did they only once. The balance of factions would be mainly unaffected by this type of thing. And I don't need to go to your specific faction to see anything, stuff like that changes ALL THE TIME, and it goes from faction to faction, campaign to campaign, even hour to hour how populated a faction is. People will not be changing back and forth over and over again if the battles goes bad if it costs them $20 every time they do it.

And you don't get it , there are factions that are already over populated that if a small percentage of the underdog alliance swapped over it would be even worse , if people want to be in that alliance then work for it not have a easy route

paulsimonps · September 2017

Yes I would love an alliance change token, 90 day cooldown seems fair.

White wabbit wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Oh look this faction is wining let me join them , oh look that one is now winning let me swap

@White wabbit
If it was a crown store token that was 2000 crowns in the store, that would not be a problem, and if someone did still do that.... then fricking let them. Nobody said it had to be something that we could swap on a whim

So what your really saying is that you don't care about faction balance , come play as Dc on Eu Xbox then your see what alliance change could end being like

You don't get it do you? If to cost real life money to change factions then many would not do it and if they did they only once. The balance of factions would be mainly unaffected by this type of thing. And I don't need to go to your specific faction to see anything, stuff like that changes ALL THE TIME, and it goes from faction to faction, campaign to campaign, even hour to hour how populated a faction is. People will not be changing back and forth over and over again if the battles goes bad if it costs them $20 every time they do it.

And you don't get it , there are factions that are already over populated that if a small percentage of the underdog alliance swapped over it would be even worse , if people want to be in that alliance then work for it not have a easy route

THAT CHANGES ALL THE TIME FROM FACTION TO FACTION THOUGH! OK. People would not spend 20 dollars every time their faction got in a bit of trouble, and the faction that is the "underdog" changes all the time, you can't declare yourself as the permanent underdog of a campaign just cause you lost a lot.