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Let's talk about Magicka Warden... it still sucks
MLGProPlayer
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Still the worst DPS class in the game (parsing ~7k behind other magicka classes on target dummy).
The class released on June 6th (3 months ago now). So far, it received one minor buff and that's it. It's been completely neglected ever since.
People paid $40 for this ***. It should be viable for endgame content. Let's go ZOS. Make magicka warden useful. I'm not asking for it to be the best DPS class. Just equal (in terms of DPS) to other "support classes" like templar and DK. Right now, magicka warden is an instant kick from any endgame group.
Here is how many wardens (of any type) there are in the top-100 leader boards (PC/NA):
PvP: 10
HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3
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Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 10, 2017 12:29AM The class released on June 6th (3 months ago now). So far, it received one minor buff and that's it. It's been completely neglected ever since.
People paid $40 for this ***. It should be viable for endgame content. Let's go ZOS. Make magicka warden useful. I'm not asking for it to be the best DPS class. Just equal (in terms of DPS) to other "support classes" like templar and DK. Right now, magicka warden is an instant kick from any endgame group.
Here is how many wardens (of any type) there are in the top-100 leader boards (PC/NA):
PvP: 10
HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3
@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭Well seeing how absolutely and insanely OP in pvp, mag wardens are, I cant imagine what it would be if they got DPS increase ...19 -
Bryong9ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Everyone cried that Wardan would be a pay to win class so this is what you get.17 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well seeing how absolutely and insanely OP in pvp, mag wardens are, I cant imagine what it would be if they got DPS increase ...
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✭✭✭✭✭Well seeing how absolutely and insanely OP in pvp, mag wardens are, I cant imagine what it would be if they got DPS increase ...
Good thing then that PvP and PvE rely on different types of damage.
Warden has high burst damage, which is useless in PvE. So just buff their DoTs, which are useless in PvP.
Or just make cliff racer dodgeable (that's the only thing that makes them "OP" in PvP).Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 9, 2017 11:23PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »Everyone cried that Wardan would be a pay to win class so this is what you get.
I don't think that's why they made them awful. ZOS genuinely just has trouble with balance.10 -
Insandros✭✭✭✭what is funny about the warden and how hard it is to dps with, you could even use the same build and gear as your firend and end up 7k even behind the idem setup
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✭✭✭✭✭what is funny about the warden and how hard it is to dps with, you could even use the same build and gear as your firend and end up 7k even behind the idem setup
Yep, their damage is PUTRID.
Even with the bear ultimate equipped, you're still 3-4k behind the other magicka classes. And that's singe target damage at that point, which means it should be compared against stamina classes (which can all parse 40k+).
The class is a sick joke perpetrated by ZOS.
Again, nobody is asking for sorc DPS numbers. But it should at least be able to keep up with templar and DK.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 9, 2017 11:47PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Well seeing how absolutely and insanely OP in pvp, mag wardens are, I cant imagine what it would be if they got DPS increase ...
Good thing then that PvP and PvE rely on different types of damage.
Warden has high burst damage, which is useless in PvE. So just buff their DoTs, which are useless in PvP.
Or just make cliff racer dodgeable (that's the only thing that makes them "OP" in PvP).
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✭✭✭✭✭Here is how many wardens (of any type) there are in the top-100 leader boards (PC/NA):
PvP: 10
HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 10, 2017 12:29AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I've been on and off with a mag-warden that went 10-50 in Cyro and has seen little of PvE. Currently an Argonian with 5xNecropotence 5xAlteration Mastery and all jewelry with spell damage glyphs. Spell damage is 1692 unbuffed, 1549 mag recovery, and 41.3k mag on destro bar with pet. Is that enough to be OP/I need practice or do I need better gear?Edited by tinythinker on September 10, 2017 1:11AM❤Experienced, new, returner?❤ Help keep ESO's community strong ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ -- share what you love about the game, offer constructive feedback, and make friends.ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Well, they killed off the ice mage hopes and dreams of most of the people rooting for the class when they announced them.
Then they finished the job when the numbers and abilities weren't adding up.
I'm really curious as to how this class got released in the state it is in now.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭mag warden could need a slight buff but im more concerned about stam warden in pve tbh
comparing it for example to a stam sorc - if you're going the dw-dot route it's not even a contest...stam sorc wins 10:0...but even if you go the burst route witha 2h - you'd think the stam warden would win out here...nope even here a stam sorc is better with a SIGNIFICANTLY stronger wrecking blow (why did they kill of the physical damage passive again?)...
So while i think mag warden might benefit from a slight damage buff the real issue imo is stam warden which needs desperatly a buff - giving it the physical damage passive back would be a start2 -
Maikon✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Well seeing how absolutely and insanely OP in pvp, mag wardens are, I cant imagine what it would be if they got DPS increase ...
Good thing then that PvP and PvE rely on different types of damage.
Warden has high burst damage, which is useless in PvE. So just buff their DoTs, which are useless in PvP.
Or just make cliff racer dodgeable (that's the only thing that makes them "OP" in PvP).
Are you still going on about this? Get a clue. Cliff Racer is dodgeable, from several different sources. But since dodge roll isan't one of them, everyone still cries about it.7 -
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✭✭✭✭Should just buff the ground placed cold AOE to push their damage up higher. Not much impact in PvP, brings their numbers up in PvE.Edited by DeadlyRecluse on September 10, 2017 2:21AMThrice Empress, Forever Scrub4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »mag warden could need a slight buff but im more concerned about stam warden in pve tbh
comparing it for example to a stam sorc - if you're going the dw-dot route it's not even a contest...stam sorc wins 10:0...but even if you go the burst route witha 2h - you'd think the stam warden would win out here...nope even here a stam sorc is better with a SIGNIFICANTLY stronger wrecking blow (why did they kill of the physical damage passive again?)...
So while i think mag warden might benefit from a slight damage buff the real issue imo is stam warden which needs desperatly a buff - giving it the physical damage passive back would be a start
What?
Magicka warden tops out at 28-29k DPS on the target dummy (that's with destro ult eqipped). Other magicka classes can all hit 34-36k DPS. That's a difference of 20%!
Stamina warden parses, on the other hand, are right in line with other stamina classes.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 10, 2017 3:12AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Well seeing how absolutely and insanely OP in pvp, mag wardens are, I cant imagine what it would be if they got DPS increase ...
Good thing then that PvP and PvE rely on different types of damage.
Warden has high burst damage, which is useless in PvE. So just buff their DoTs, which are useless in PvP.
Or just make cliff racer dodgeable (that's the only thing that makes them "OP" in PvP).
Are you still going on about this? Get a clue. Cliff Racer is dodgeable, from several different sources. But since dodge roll isan't one of them, everyone still cries about it.
I never said magicka warden was OP in PvP (they suck there too, as you can see from PvP leader boards). I was just giving a suggestion to the whiners. If ZOS doesn't want to buff PvE DPS because kids will cry that they're OP, I'd rather they just make cliff racer dodgeable (but with a faster cast or something).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »Should just buff the ground placed cold AOE to push their damage up higher. Not much impact in PvP, brings their numbers up in PvE.
Yep. Winter's Revenge sucks right now (even after they fixed the crit% bug). It's a skill that has no use in PvP, so buffing the damage in PvE would have no negative repercussions in PvP.
I would also make the bear a single-bar ability. The bear adds around 3-4k DPS to your parse, but it isn't good enough to justify taking over destro ultimate (it's a single target ability that is dead 90% of the time in vet boss fights).Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 10, 2017 2:30AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Here is how many wardens (of any type) there are in the top-100 leader boards (PC/NA):
PvP: 10
HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3
Were the vMA stats purposely omitted?
Because it is generally about 15-20 Wardens on the Leaderboards per week ...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Here is how many wardens (of any type) there are in the top-100 leader boards (PC/NA):
PvP: 10
HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3
Were the vMA stats purposely omitted?
Because it is generally about 15-20 Wardens on the Leaderboards per week ...
vMA is solo content. And it's all about cheese builds (sustain, survivability, and pets dominate). vMA builds are completely useless in actual (group) endgame content.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 10, 2017 2:39AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Here is how many wardens (of any type) there are in the top-100 leader boards (PC/NA):
PvP: 10
HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3
Were the vMA stats purposely omitted?
Because it is generally about 15-20 Wardens on the Leaderboards per week ...
vMA is solo content. And it's all about cheese builds (sustain and pets dominate).
Wow, no bias there or anything ... surprised you included PvP at all.
At any rate, we've been through a million of these types of threads already.
It's convenient for players to forget where the Wardens are strong (off-tank; off-heals; PvP).
Adjusting skills purely for the sole purposes of PvE DPS would offset those areas ... and hurt those builds where players have been super successful.2 -
Maikon✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Well seeing how absolutely and insanely OP in pvp, mag wardens are, I cant imagine what it would be if they got DPS increase ...
Good thing then that PvP and PvE rely on different types of damage.
Warden has high burst damage, which is useless in PvE. So just buff their DoTs, which are useless in PvP.
Or just make cliff racer dodgeable (that's the only thing that makes them "OP" in PvP).
Are you still going on about this? Get a clue. Cliff Racer is dodgeable, from several different sources. But since dodge roll isan't one of them, everyone still cries about it.
I never said magicka warden was OP in PvP (they suck there too, as you can see from PvP leader boards). I was just giving a suggestion to the whiners. If ZOS doesn't want to buff PvE DPS because kids will cry that they're OP, I'd rather they just make cliff racer dodgeable (but with a faster cast or something).
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You obviously didn't read my comment about the specific part of your post, because Cliff Racer IS *** DODGEABLE.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Here is how many wardens (of any type) there are in the top-100 leader boards (PC/NA):
PvP: 10
HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3
Were the vMA stats purposely omitted?
Because it is generally about 15-20 Wardens on the Leaderboards per week ...
vMA is solo content. And it's all about cheese builds (sustain and pets dominate).
Wow, no bias there or anything ... surprised you included PvP at all.
At any rate, we've been through a million of these types of threads already.
It's convenient for players to forget where the Wardens are strong (off-tank; off-heals; PvP).
Adjusting skills purely for the sole purposes of PvE DPS would offset those areas ... and hurt those builds where players have been super successful.
They don't seem to be getting picked for off-healer and off-tank roles much then. DK and templar are superior in the roles.
Anyway, how does adjusting DPS values affect their ability to tank or heal? That doesn't make any sense. DK can tank and deal damage. Templar can heal and deal damage. Support and DPS aren't mutually exclusive...
Again, I'm not asking for magicka sorc DPS. But they should at least be able to match templar and DK. Not being able to crack 30k DPS is inexcusable.
And there is no bias. Endgame content is group content. vMA is just cheese builds. You can play whatever you want in solo content since you aren't holding other players back.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 10, 2017 3:07AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Well seeing how absolutely and insanely OP in pvp, mag wardens are, I cant imagine what it would be if they got DPS increase ...
Good thing then that PvP and PvE rely on different types of damage.
Warden has high burst damage, which is useless in PvE. So just buff their DoTs, which are useless in PvP.
Or just make cliff racer dodgeable (that's the only thing that makes them "OP" in PvP).
Are you still going on about this? Get a clue. Cliff Racer is dodgeable, from several different sources. But since dodge roll isan't one of them, everyone still cries about it.
I never said magicka warden was OP in PvP (they suck there too, as you can see from PvP leader boards). I was just giving a suggestion to the whiners. If ZOS doesn't want to buff PvE DPS because kids will cry that they're OP, I'd rather they just make cliff racer dodgeable (but with a faster cast or something).
@MLGProPlayer
You obviously didn't read my comment about the specific part of your post, because Cliff Racer IS *** DODGEABLE.
Did they change it recently? I don't PvP.
If so, all the more reason to buff their DoT damage...Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 10, 2017 3:13AM0 -
Maikon✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Well seeing how absolutely and insanely OP in pvp, mag wardens are, I cant imagine what it would be if they got DPS increase ...
Good thing then that PvP and PvE rely on different types of damage.
Warden has high burst damage, which is useless in PvE. So just buff their DoTs, which are useless in PvP.
Or just make cliff racer dodgeable (that's the only thing that makes them "OP" in PvP).
Are you still going on about this? Get a clue. Cliff Racer is dodgeable, from several different sources. But since dodge roll isan't one of them, everyone still cries about it.
I never said magicka warden was OP in PvP (they suck there too, as you can see from PvP leader boards). I was just giving a suggestion to the whiners. If ZOS doesn't want to buff PvE DPS because kids will cry that they're OP, I'd rather they just make cliff racer dodgeable (but with a faster cast or something).
@MLGProPlayer
You obviously didn't read my comment about the specific part of your post, because Cliff Racer IS *** DODGEABLE.
Did they change it recently? I don't PvP.
If so, all the more reason to buff their DoT damage...
Evasion and Cloak work against it.
Hist Bark and Blessed Meridia Sets also work.
You ever try to fight someone wearing Blessed Meridia as a magwarden, you do literally 0 damage. It's a *** joke.
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✭✭✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »I've been on and off with a mag-warden that went 10-50 in Cyro and has seen little of PvE. Currently an Argonian with 5xNecropotence 5xAlteration Mastery and all jewelry with spell damage glyphs. Spell damage is 1692 unbuffed, 1549 mag recovery, and 41.3k mag on destro bar with pet. Is that enough to be OP/I need practice or do I need better gear?
Your stats should be higher. Do you have a gold weapon? And with pet, magic pool should also be higher. Something's not quite right there.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.1 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭the only time ive seen a mag warden break 30k is if they wear 5 moondancer with someone giving them synergies. i dont like any of their moves besides deep fissure. mine collects dust cause i mostly only do end game trials and no way its gonna cut it when it cant pull 30k reliably compared to my mag sorc or magplar.
all from a pve standpoint, this class is extremely lackluster, they make decent tanks, off healers they are meh. stam wardens arent in a horrible spot.
they said they were gonna buff them but so fae nothing, back to collecting dust again!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »tinythinker wrote: »I've been on and off with a mag-warden that went 10-50 in Cyro and has seen little of PvE. Currently an Argonian with 5xNecropotence 5xAlteration Mastery and all jewelry with spell damage glyphs. Spell damage is 1692 unbuffed, 1549 mag recovery, and 41.3k mag on destro bar with pet. Is that enough to be OP/I need practice or do I need better gear?
Your stats should be higher. Do you have a gold weapon? And with pet, magic pool should also be higher. Something's not quite right there.
Yeah with 3 spell dmg glyphs on his jewelry, that wep dmg is WAY too low.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭✭✭✭the only time ive seen a mag warden break 30k is if they wear 5 moondancer with someone giving them synergies. i dont like any of their moves besides deep fissure. mine collects dust cause i mostly only do end game trials and no way its gonna cut it when it cant pull 30k reliably compared to my mag sorc or magplar.
all from a pve standpoint, this class is extremely lackluster, they make decent tanks, off healers they are meh. stam wardens arent in a horrible spot.
they said they were gonna buff them but so fae nothing, back to collecting dust again!
You can crack 30k with the bear ultimate (around 31-32k is the max self-buffed), but bear is useless in endgame content since it's dead all the time and it's a single target ability. But even at 32k DPS, you're still 3-4k DPS behind the other magicka classes (and they all have destro ultimate).
I haven't seen anyone break 30k with destro ult though, which is pathetic.
They're decent healers and tanks, but few people are using them in those roles either since templar and DK are simply better.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 10, 2017 5:55AM0
