Get ready for double traited weapons. (Transmutation)

Drummerx04 · September 2017

If you've ever played with item codes a bit (for posting in chat) you'll gain some insight into how gear is represented by the game. As far as I remember, each set+weapon/armor type+TRAIT is stored and referenced as ONE single integer (other values in the item string give quality of item and maybe motif for crafted items).

So the integer 5456834 could be infused viper bow, while 5456834 could be sharpened viper bow. This is likely why ZOS agreed to implement a trait change before a motif change. Trait change is just modding a single value, and there is no value for a multi trait weapon, so it would be relatively straight forward for them to do it without bugs.

I guess we'll see. You'd think it would be easy to respawn in cyrodiil without a loadscreen too.

Taleof2Cities · September 2017

You have some great ideas every once in awhile @Yolokin_Swagonborn.

But, frankly, this looks like a "sky is falling" thread ...

Feanor · September 2017

Betheny wrote: »

The patch is dark and full of terrors.

So we should all burn our PCs on a stake?

Shadzilla · September 2017

This rant was very well put together. From one complainer to another, you have my awesome.

Betheny · September 2017

Betheny wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

Double trait gear sounds awesome

"double sharpened"...

*whoosh* is the sound of the forum.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · September 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You have some great ideas every once in awhile @Yolokin_Swagonborn.

But, frankly, this looks like a "sky is falling" thread ...

I can see how this thread might be easy to misinterpret, but its far from apocalyptic. Quite the opposite. I find it amazing that in spite of the sheer number of bugs, exploits, and issues this game has that are almost completely preventable, the game continues to do well and make a profit.

Its like when you are dating a girl that way out of league, and no matter what you do, or don't do, she stays with you. So at some point you start to push the limits just because you can.

That is the development team with this game. Enough people stay loyal to this game no matter what they do.

So since we are going to stick around and co-dependently enable the developers to continue to pump out mediocre work, maybe we can do the recursion testing they refuse to do and predict errors before we have to wait three months to get them fixed.

Sneaky-Snurr · September 2017

dro_rasec wrote: »

If the system delete the old weapon and create a new one this shouldn't happen since two trait weapon/armor don't exist on the game code. But who knows, I'm not a programmer and we are speaking of ZOS

@dro_rasec
The bolded part is why I think there's little chance for double traits exploit to make its debut but I do have the same concern as @Yolokin_Swagonborn. It's ZoS after all.

kaithuzar · September 2017

My biggest concern now is that the OP has now stressed the issue which means too much work to implement correctly, which means we won't be getting it; just like spell crafting.

luen79rwb17_ESO · September 2017

Hmm this is a good idea for the next chapter actually. Wanna be OP? Buy the next eso chapter and get the new double trait weapons!

Dolgubon · September 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

dro_rasec wrote: »

If the system delete the old weapon and create a new one this shouldn't happen since two trait weapon/armor don't exist on the game code. But who knows, I'm not a programmer and we are speaking of ZOS

@dro_rasec
The bolded part is why I think there's little chance for double traits exploit to make its debut but I do have the same concern as @Yolokin_Swagonborn. It's ZoS after all.

Not only do two trait weapons and armour not exist, but the game has no way to even handle it! As Drummerx04 pointed out, items with different traits have different itemIDs, so while potentially you could get some random weapon you weren't hoping for, you will not be able to get a two traited item, since an item can't have two item Ids. It's just not possible.

Mundus stones and race passives are different. For buffs and passives, there are ability Ids. And, unlike Items, which can't have two itemIds, characters can have multiple ability Ids applied to them. So if ability Ids are not removed properly, then you get that issue. If an Item Id is changed properly, you simply go to another random spot on the large, giant table of itemIds. But since no itemId has two traits, you can't get an item with two traits.

Sneaky-Snurr · September 2017

Dolgubon wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

dro_rasec wrote: »

If the system delete the old weapon and create a new one this shouldn't happen since two trait weapon/armor don't exist on the game code. But who knows, I'm not a programmer and we are speaking of ZOS

@dro_rasec
The bolded part is why I think there's little chance for double traits exploit to make its debut but I do have the same concern as @Yolokin_Swagonborn. It's ZoS after all.

Not only do two trait weapons and armour not exist, but the game has no way to even handle it! As Drummerx04 pointed out, items with different traits have different itemIDs, so while potentially you could get some random weapon you weren't hoping for, you will not be able to get a two traited item, since an item can't have two item Ids. It's just not possible.

Mundus stones and race passives are different. For buffs and passives, there are ability Ids. And, unlike Items, which can't have two itemIds, characters can have multiple ability Ids applied to them. So if ability Ids are not removed properly, then you get that issue. If an Item Id is changed properly, you simply go to another random spot on the large, giant table of itemIds. But since no itemId has two traits, you can't get an item with two traits.

@Dolgubon
Very well put and that definitely gives me an easier time to worry less. However, I will just keep on hoping that ZoS won't break it somehow because hey, it's ZoS. xD

Dolgubon · September 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Dolgubon wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

dro_rasec wrote: »

If the system delete the old weapon and create a new one this shouldn't happen since two trait weapon/armor don't exist on the game code. But who knows, I'm not a programmer and we are speaking of ZOS

@dro_rasec
The bolded part is why I think there's little chance for double traits exploit to make its debut but I do have the same concern as @Yolokin_Swagonborn. It's ZoS after all.

Not only do two trait weapons and armour not exist, but the game has no way to even handle it! As Drummerx04 pointed out, items with different traits have different itemIDs, so while potentially you could get some random weapon you weren't hoping for, you will not be able to get a two traited item, since an item can't have two item Ids. It's just not possible.

Mundus stones and race passives are different. For buffs and passives, there are ability Ids. And, unlike Items, which can't have two itemIds, characters can have multiple ability Ids applied to them. So if ability Ids are not removed properly, then you get that issue. If an Item Id is changed properly, you simply go to another random spot on the large, giant table of itemIds. But since no itemId has two traits, you can't get an item with two traits.

@Dolgubon
Very well put and that definitely gives me an easier time to worry less. However, I will just keep on hoping that ZoS won't break it somehow because hey, it's ZoS. xD

I don't think they'll break it. They might still break it, but they won't break it in this (double traits) manner.