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Lying about your target skeleton dps test.
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't find lying about this is any good. And I cannot 40k on any class, race or resource.1 -
Surak73✭✭✭✭✭I don't bother to ask, so they don't feel forced to lie.
If they tell me it anyway, I take them on their word until they prove otherwise.
If they prove otherwise, I stop playing with them.
Every problem has its own solution, as my Grandma used to say...1 -
ScytheNL✭✭✭✭I pull 69K DPS with light bow attacks running blue medium armor with max health glyphs as a Stamblade.Ingame:
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djdc1234✭✭✭LuminaLilly wrote: »Too many people do it. There are a select few who back it up using screenshots. But when people say they pull 40k+ dps in a short amount of time only running julianos and lich, I call bularky.
So this dude running the same build as mine, which is julianos and lich, he said he pulled over 50k dps. If course it's b.s. cause it's my PvP build and you can't pull off much dps with that.
So I ask for screenshot and offered to let him use my target skeleton. He kept dodging the subject.
Have you caught anyone lying about their dps time?
DPS test are stupid and break up guilds and friends, a person needs to learn strategies and be taught the right ways to run trails and others.
I've personally never done dps that high. My best is 26k. Yet I melt bosses and have been taught by good people over my time with eso.
And I just use 3 moondancer julery, 5 netchs, 2 lambriss. 2 gold staff sharp. I know I can pull more but I was never a move canceling person. I can do it slightly. And don't agree that you need it to be accepted.2 -
Meld777✭✭✭✭✭DPS tests only make sense for testing purposes and require people to post screenshots if they wanna prove it.
The best way to test someone's DPS is to run a dungeon with that person. Just look at your Combat Metrics and you'll see your own % of group DPS. If it's below 50%, the other DD probably doesn't suck too much. If it's 90%, you know what's up.
Also, many people think your DPS is actually the max DPS tick in FTC during hardest burst on the skeleton. So they'll tell you 40k and later you'll find out they're not even able to kill the skeleton in a reasonable time ("WTF, how am I supposed to kill him alone? He has soooo much HP and all my Magicka is gone after 5%").Maelstrom Arena Champion | Undaunted | Fighters Guild Victor
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Rainraven✭✭✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »I do 150k dps on my mdk I don't have pics and no one saw it but it's the truth bc I'm a random guy on the internet.
I heard you killed that target skelly so hard it refused to get up again and you had to get a new one.
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Axoinus✭✭✭✭✭The data interesting, but I`ve found that the ideal dps rotation may not be the best rotation to use in a fight. So, to me, the numbers are moot. Sacrifice 10k dps if it keeps you from dying.1 -
VampiricByNature✭✭✭✭Whenever someone brags about their dps dummy parses, I ask them to do it while I dual them. Lol jkjk
In all seriousness, on ps4 those parses are very important to people because they have no way to prove their dps otherwise in a trial. Those parses depend what guild you get in and who you get to run with. I feel sad when people lie about them and I let them have it. It's just a game, after all.2 -
tommalmm✭✭✭Hmm... I know of a few people that claim to hit really high numbers, yet can't ever be bothered to do the parse with an audience. "I'm not playing with noobz" is the line people might hear from them. My observations are - people are ignoring them or plain making fun of them.
I've done a lot of parses with other people around. Not to brag, but because we all happen to train in my stronghold. Sometimes oberving and trying to give and advice (really, some things are obvious when you stand on the side, observing, sometimes it's faster than analyzing the log).
As a side note. I can cheese my DPS to be ~3-4k higher than normal on 3M skeleton, but I would never claim it's my actual DPS (if I do it, I do it for fun). Plus, in fact DPS is almost always higher in dungeons (two DDs hitting low HP target - ~5.7M with HM active, so it's pretty much burst) as long as tank and healer do their job (the most dps loss is when I have to recast ground dots because tank moves the boss and when I constantly have to shield myself because healer doesn't feel like using hots or doesn't heal consistently - I don't mind letting hots slowly get me back to max when no incoming damage ahead, but you have to trust your healer to feel comfortable with that). In trials it's always much higher.0 -
Thannazzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Usual test is take the dps to vet spindle clutch with a single tank and healer. Go to gargoyle boss and tank only taunts. If dps can down the boss before the ceiling colapses then their dps is high enough.Edited by Thannazzar on August 29, 2017 12:05PM0 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've just recently been getting to break 25K+ on a few toons. It doesn't come naturally by mashing buttons.
I've many many different legendary gear setups. The gear isn't everything. Even the skills used aren't as much as how you use them.
I would semi confidently say anyone that actually is pulling big numbers (above 20K) knows their class and fights decently well.
No reason to lie about anything. Everything will be exposed in combat.2 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Target Skeleton parses are very nice and informative. They allow us to test a ton of stuff and make cool, effective builds under controlled conditions.
.... it just sucks that people with big egos feel like they have to prove something by putting out their inflated DPS parses that are in no way representative of how they perform when doing actual content. NO ONE CARES ABOUT HOW MUCH DPS YOU DID TO THE TARGET SKELETON. The people who are obsessed with showing off the DPS are almost always perform terribly in dungeons/trials.
Ha ha. yeah. I still crack up every time someone boast about what or how much dps they got from a target skeleton. Sure, it's a guide, but far from a real or true dps when going up against a live and moving real boss that hits back; particularly soloing. I like that line from Bloodsport when Bolo Yeung says to Van Damme after Van Damme broke the bottom brick, "Brick no hit back."1 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭thats why when you dps test someone if its serious for a progressive group. you ask for a video. anyone on pc can easily record.
anyone can stand in front of a still target (skeleton) and do a rotation. whats better is when you have a video and you can see how they do their rotations and all that. take them to a trial, get them to record and go from there.Edited by Nifty2g on August 29, 2017 12:16PM#MOREORBS0 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
Totally incorrect. Maybe from a DPS perspective yes you will gimp yourself a bit running Lich.. but it's a sustain win for Heals. More sustain means I can spam more shards and orbs, which means my group (if they're not pugs who don't pop synergies) get an additional 6k HPS on Heals on top of the 25-30k sustained I'm already throwing at them with BoL/CP/other skills. oh did I mention 4k regen when procced I can keep doing that non stop if I weave, plus target gets CP damage buff AND the 12% critical damage buff if they pop the synergies.
Morrowind is about sustain. Not ermagerhd I did 50k burst deeps lewl meta builds.
Obiviously since the thread was about damage dealing and not healing, I was solely talking about damage dealing with Lich being unoptimal.
Morrowind is about sustain indeed. But the game, specifically, the raids are also about DPS. Heavy attack and you'll not only be sweet on resources you'll also do more deeps than when wearing a sustain glyph/set/food.Edited by Izaki on August 29, 2017 12:32PM@ Izaki #PCEU
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Amp151✭✭✭Target Skelton dps numbers are a good way to tell the potential someone has.
Some of the harder content requires high dps cause of dps checks.
If you're not able to pull high numbers on a dummy that isn't hitting you back I doubt you're going to be able to pull your weight in harder content(v maw, hard modes, leaderboard attempts).
Just cause someone pulls 35k+ on a dummy doesn't mean they can't shield and survive mechanics properly.
If you dps you should strive to have both high dps and great survivability. If not you're doing a disservice to yourself and the groups you run with.
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DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭Dummy parses indeed mean nothing. However, if someone is fluent with their rotation then it will translate into a dummy parse. From my experience, "dummy warriors" at least tend to be competent in raid.Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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theamazingx✭✭✭✭Usually when I see parses, they're for purpose of cooperative theorycrafting or guild testing. No reason to fake the former, and the latter are supervised. And failing just means getting free hands-on help from experienced players that far exceed the requirements. I hate that the community is so often polarized between parse worshippers and people that insist dps doesn't matter.3
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kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I like the DPS dummy for 2 things:
1. Refining my rotation, and getting the muscle memory down so that it is second nature and I can do it without thinking about it. This way I can pay attention to mechanics and not which button I need to press next.
2. Finding the extent of my sustain. Especially since Morrowind all forms of sustain were gutted. This way I can test how much I lose running witches brew vs. a glyph on my jewelry.
I'm sure it is a big ego boost to do a 40k parse on a 3M health dummy, but that is still very "bursty." If the parse isn't killing a 6M dummy I don't even consider it.Playing since beta...0 -
tunepunk✭✭✭✭✭I don't like the dummy at all.
1. It doesn't attack back - so you can't practice your survivability, heals tanking or anything else for that matter.
2. And it doesn't drop anything.
All those master crafting writs for nothing. >_<
Now I just keep mine in a cage for display purposes.0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭All I know is I can eat a full meal, clean my house and go take the dog out and still take ZERO damage on that target dummy. That must make me god like1 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We live in a world where Photoshop exists. I'm always sceptical.Edited by Cadbury on August 29, 2017 2:35PM"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
DPShiro✭✭✭✭✭
✭kylewwefan wrote: »I've just recently been getting to break 25K+ on a few toons. It doesn't come naturally by mashing buttons.
I've many many different legendary gear setups. The gear isn't everything. Even the skills used aren't as much as how you use them.
I would semi confidently say anyone that actually is pulling big numbers (above 20K) knows their class and fights decently well.
No reason to lie about anything. Everything will be exposed in combat.
20K is not anywhere near big numbers, it's honestly really low and can be gotten by just applying DoTs and holding HA.~ Gryphon Heart ~
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✭according to some people, magsorcs are solo parsing over 40k without pets. really makes you think.Gryphon Heart
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✭2 out of 3 dungeons run with my healer last night had combat metrics reporting that I was doing 30-50% of group DPS. The last one was only 20% because the group had some DPS monsters in it. Healers shouldn't be out DPSing the group but I do it all the time and still have time to spam healing springs.
The skeleton says I suck.
Meh, what does he know? He doesn't even fight back.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some people will look at their DPS report after killing some random dungeon boss on normal and think that's their actual, standardised DPS.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 29, 2017 3:43PM0 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My target skeleton lags so bad it can't give me a number to lie about.
Besides I can tell on first trash mob pull if we are going to be effective on the boss. Don't need a DPS score for thatEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Are people really running lich in PvE, now?
What class is that optimal for?
I've been running it as the back bar set on my argonian templar healer since it was an almost unattainable set 2 yrs ago (4pc Gold + Dyloras Staff). I've moved pieces around a bit now since it drops far easier but now I'm running that plus 5pc Twilight Remedy and 1pc Troll King. It's VERY effective from a sustain perspective. I used to pull about 4k mag regen before Morrowind. Even now it's still 3.6k when Lich procs.
3.6k regen when lich procs? First of all, you shouldn't need lich to get that high a regen number if you're a healer, second of all.. you should be all about supporting your teammates, so wear sets that compliment that, not sets like lich. I sit at 3400 regen without lich, and wear SPC & mending, or worm, or gossamer, or anything other than *** lich0 -
Also, if you're gonna get offended and leave a group because they simply ask about your DPS, then maybe you need help, and perhaps should ask for help instead of getting butthurt. People ask because they don't want to be stuck in a hopeless situation for hours because someone's only pulling 4k dps and wants to be carried. It's all about teamwork in this game.3