Magik Sorc, Buffing the Meta (again), while Nerfing Everyone Else
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- Veteran Trials? Magik Sorc only
- Cyrodil, Battlegrounds- around 75% sheild stacking Magik Sorc
- Best Dueling Class, I say pet build sheild stacking Magik Sorc
So for this quarters Sorcerer buff...
-- hmm, lets nerf defending weapons and Viper, those 3 or 4 players in the game that are still playing stam builds are such a nuisance when you run into them every few days
-- turn up the mundus, and buff resources in sets. Every Magik Sorc needs 50K magika and 2000 recovery, can you imagine if you had to consider resources as your spamming your same 3 or 4 skills endlessly without care?
-- Sheild Breaker on a Staff? Stupid idea, it would only work against 1 of the 10 or so classes in the game, you'd get crushed by everyone else. Wait someone did that, well we can't have that.
This is addition to,
-- the recent nerfing of resource poisons
-- the face you can't apply status effects (chilled, concussed, burning) to anyone with a sheild.
and don't forget the destruction of the DK heavy Inferno staff build, I guess because it could hit hard at range... only Magik Sorcs are allowed to do that!
I really think everyone who works at ZOS must be playing a sheild stacking Sorc, that or they just don't play at all.
- Cyrodil, Battlegrounds- around 75% sheild stacking Magik Sorc
- Best Dueling Class, I say pet build sheild stacking Magik Sorc
So for this quarters Sorcerer buff...
-- hmm, lets nerf defending weapons and Viper, those 3 or 4 players in the game that are still playing stam builds are such a nuisance when you run into them every few days
-- turn up the mundus, and buff resources in sets. Every Magik Sorc needs 50K magika and 2000 recovery, can you imagine if you had to consider resources as your spamming your same 3 or 4 skills endlessly without care?
-- Sheild Breaker on a Staff? Stupid idea, it would only work against 1 of the 10 or so classes in the game, you'd get crushed by everyone else. Wait someone did that, well we can't have that.
This is addition to,
-- the recent nerfing of resource poisons
-- the face you can't apply status effects (chilled, concussed, burning) to anyone with a sheild.
and don't forget the destruction of the DK heavy Inferno staff build, I guess because it could hit hard at range... only Magik Sorcs are allowed to do that!
I really think everyone who works at ZOS must be playing a sheild stacking Sorc, that or they just don't play at all.
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✭✭Shield stacking isn't a thing. even if you have a problem killing a sorc who's just spamming healing ward and hardened ward l2p and get with the Infused+Torgus+Oblivion Dmg Meta.
You know it costs near 8k Magika to spam shields twice right? Esp in Battlegrounds, with these kind of costs sorcs are actually pretty easy prey.
Also try doing Vmol with nothing but sorc DPS.Edited by DRXHarbinger on August 29, 2017 12:07PMPC Master Race
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✭✭✭✭✭Opening yet another thread doesn't make anything you say more true.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/363687/zos-wants-all-pvp-on-sheild-stacking-sorcs/
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366795/does-zos-want-everyone-in-pvp-to-play-a-mag-sorc
Or, the best thread in that series so far:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/361762/sheild-breaker-staffs-do-not-need-a-nerf
We seriously need a LOL button for these threads. It's ridiculous.
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Dasovaruilos✭✭✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »- Veteran Trials? Magik Sorc only
Has not been the case for at least 3 months now... I personally think the game is really balanced right now.
But I do agree shield stacking is something to be looked at in the future, though I abandoned PvP because I can't play more than 1 hour without crashing...
Edited by Dasovaruilos on August 29, 2017 12:01PM1 -
SammyFable✭✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »Spoiler- Veteran Trials? Magik Sorc only
- Cyrodil, Battlegrounds- around 75% sheild stacking Magik Sorc
- Best Dueling Class, I say pet build sheild stacking Magik Sorc
So for this quarters Sorcerer buff...
-- hmm, lets nerf defending weapons and Viper, those 3 or 4 players in the game that are still playing stam builds are such a nuisance when you run into them every few days
-- turn up the mundus, and buff resources in sets. Every Magik Sorc needs 50K magika and 2000 recovery, can you imagine if you had to consider resources as your spamming your same 3 or 4 skills endlessly without care?
-- Sheild Breaker on a Staff? Stupid idea, it would only work against 1 of the 10 or so classes in the game, you'd get crushed by everyone else. Wait someone did that, well we can't have that.
This is addition to,
-- the recent nerfing of resource poisons
-- the face you can't apply status effects (chilled, concussed, burning) to anyone with a sheild.
and don't forget the destruction of the DK heavy Inferno staff build, I guess because it could hit hard at range... only Magik Sorcs are allowed to do that!
I really think everyone who works at ZOS must be playing a sheild stacking Sorc, that or they just don't play at all.
Do you live behind the moon? Mag Sorc DPS was at it's glory in Homestead Patch, with Morrowind it's all about Stam DPS now. But you can't run trials, like MoL and HoF, with too many melees, so the setup is usually somewhat balanced between mag and stam DDs.
My experience in battlegrounds was 90% DKs and procblades. Sure a shield stacking sorc could capture a relic and be somewhat fine, but needs to be backed up by the team. And due to the nature of Mage's Fury/Wrath it can look like sorcs will have high kill counts.
And the most important thing, it doesn't matter what class is played, when the player is just bad.2 -
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POps75p✭✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »- Veteran Trials? Magik Sorc only
- Cyrodil, Battlegrounds- around 75% sheild stacking Magik Sorc
- Best Dueling Class, I say pet build sheild stacking Magik Sorc
So for this quarters Sorcerer buff...
-- hmm, lets nerf defending weapons and Viper, those 3 or 4 players in the game that are still playing stam builds are such a nuisance when you run into them every few days
-- turn up the mundus, and buff resources in sets. Every Magik Sorc needs 50K magika and 2000 recovery, can you imagine if you had to consider resources as your spamming your same 3 or 4 skills endlessly without care?
-- Sheild Breaker on a Staff? Stupid idea, it would only work against 1 of the 10 or so classes in the game, you'd get crushed by everyone else. Wait someone did that, well we can't have that.
This is addition to,
-- the recent nerfing of resource poisons
-- the face you can't apply status effects (chilled, concussed, burning) to anyone with a sheild.
and don't forget the destruction of the DK heavy Inferno staff build, I guess because it could hit hard at range... only Magik Sorcs are allowed to do that!
I really think everyone who works at ZOS must be playing a sheild stacking Sorc, that or they just don't play at all.
I hate all the nerf, could care less which is best, just keep it that way, and create some stability0 -
kynseon✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »If you think magsorcs are still the "meta" in trials, you don't run many serious trials.
Agree with this. Stam DKS are doing a lot of DPS even more i would say than sorcs.
I swear we get a "nerf the sorc" threads at least once a day. And yes this is coming from someone who has a STAM DK DPS, templar, and a sorc.0 -
derpmander✭✭✭I really wish magsorc was the meta again but stamina has taken over now and is preferred over anything else. Magsorc is there to provide offbalance and Fulfill the ranged dps requirement for mechanics (3-4)What Mechanics
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✭✭✭✭✭derpmander wrote: »I really wish magsorc was the meta again but stamina has taken over now and is preferred over anything else. Magsorc is there to provide offbalance and Fulfill the ranged dps requirement for mechanics (3-4)
At least we still serve a role more than dropping a negate. I remember that time as well ...Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:All chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.SpoilerNecrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar3 -
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✭✭Somebody died to a sorc, nothing to see here.
The problem with sorcs is it's near impossible to play outside of the same two or three builds, no real variation. So when you get killed by a skilled sorc, you assume it's the gear set up or the specific abilities without considering the full situation. A bad sorc with the same build melts under any real pressure (evidence, I kill magsorcs on all of my characters as often as I kill anything else).
Some people, such as myself, have had a magsorc since the first days of Beta. We've played on these characters, worked with them, learned the ins and outs of this class in times of buff and in times of nerf. I was there when sorcs were nerfed into oblivion and we'd even get kicked from some groups. I was also there when shields were at full capacity in Cyrodiil and we were untouchable gods and goddesses. Where we are now is in line with the other magicka classes."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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At least we still serve a role more than dropping a negate. I remember that time as well ...
Yes! I remember the efforts to recruit sorcs for the PvP guild I was with in 2014. We used to just call them "negates" and not sorcs. They were considered useless for everything but that and the execute.
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Interesting then Hordor did the first vHoF either speed or HM they had at least as many nightblades as sorc, think it even was magblades who was seen as the worst DD class before magic wardenDRXHarbinger wrote: »Shield stacking isn't a thing. even if you have a problem killing a sorc who's just spamming healing ward and hardened ward l2p and get with the Infused+Torgus+Oblivion Dmg Meta.
You know it costs near 8k Magika to spam shields twice right? Esp in Battlegrounds, with these kind of costs sorcs are actually pretty easy prey.
Also try doing Vmol with nothing but sorc DPS.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭✭✭✭✭Interesting then Hordor did the first vHoF either speed or HM they had at least as many nightblades as sorc, think it even was magblades who was seen as the worst DD class before magic warden
Hodor had weeks of access to it and had bis mag sorc dps on live when it hit live. So they used mag sorc.PS4 EU DC
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BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Hodor had weeks of access to it and had bis mag sorc dps on live when it hit live. So they used mag sorc.
Also since then they have only 2-3 max magsorc but at least nightblades and 3-4 stam maybe"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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✭✭✭✭✭Interesting then Hordor did the first vHoF either speed or HM they had at least as many nightblades as sorc, think it even was magblades who was seen as the worst DD class before magic warden
Hordor had almost all sorcs their first live hm clears, because it was the class their players knew best and had geared up. Chimaira had a hm clear later that day with both stam and mag nightblades.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »- Veteran Trials? Magik Sorc only
- Cyrodil, Battlegrounds- around 75% sheild stacking Magik Sorc
- Best Dueling Class, I say pet build sheild stacking Magik Sorc
So for this quarters Sorcerer buff...
-- hmm, lets nerf defending weapons and Viper, those 3 or 4 players in the game that are still playing stam builds are such a nuisance when you run into them every few days
-- turn up the mundus, and buff resources in sets. Every Magik Sorc needs 50K magika and 2000 recovery, can you imagine if you had to consider resources as your spamming your same 3 or 4 skills endlessly without care?
-- Sheild Breaker on a Staff? Stupid idea, it would only work against 1 of the 10 or so classes in the game, you'd get crushed by everyone else. Wait someone did that, well we can't have that.
This is addition to,
-- the recent nerfing of resource poisons
-- the face you can't apply status effects (chilled, concussed, burning) to anyone with a sheild.
and don't forget the destruction of the DK heavy Inferno staff build, I guess because it could hit hard at range... only Magik Sorcs are allowed to do that!
I really think everyone who works at ZOS must be playing a sheild stacking Sorc, that or they just don't play at all.
In order.
Vet trials - mag sorc only... not really.
75%? do you have access to these figures or something or is it just a bias exaggeration? I see far more other things than mag sorcs, mostly mag templars, mag dk's in groups.
Best dueling class - Dueling is kind of irrelevant but sure its annoying because of pets, though you can make anything have an annoying build.
Not sure what defending has got to do with sorc. Defending got nerfed because it matches sharpened and because it was the bis off hand bar, now people can actuall tuse infused/ precise/ powered/ defending.
Again a buff which effected everyone yet you only seem to think it buffs mag sorcs? Also pls post me these 50k magicka/ 2k regen builds, also make sure its a proper build, right skills, right stamina/ stam recovery etc... not just inflate your stats.
This was a bug, you can still use shieldbreaker on a staff only it won't proc off every tick of a channelled like it wasn't supposed to do. Can't have crap players exploit a bug to kill other people which was what was happening.
Resource poisons shouldn't even be in the game in the first place, again not sure how resource poisons nerf has anything to do with mag sorc's specifically.
Shields aren't just a sorc thing, not exactly a game breaking thing either people don't have shields up 24/7 you do actually hit their hp.
What even if this last point? Its mag sorc's fault how? Also plenty of other classes hit far harder from range than mag sorc, mag nb's, wardens. Even mag templar has flare.
TL:DR another useless nerf sorc thread by another salty casual player who has no idea what their talking about.PS4 EU DC
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✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »- Veteran Trials? Magik Sorc only
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plz guys ,don't take seriously what this man is saying .... no reliable source ... he only get killed by a sorc and decided to create a Nerf sorc thread ...
Vaa:
Vhrc:
Vso:
Vmol:
Vhof:
Edited by Apherius on August 29, 2017 12:58PM6 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Opening yet another thread doesn't make anything you say more true.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/363687/zos-wants-all-pvp-on-sheild-stacking-sorcs/
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366795/does-zos-want-everyone-in-pvp-to-play-a-mag-sorc
Or, the best thread in that series so far:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/361762/sheild-breaker-staffs-do-not-need-a-nerf
We seriously need a LOL button for these threads. It's ridiculous.
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chaz✭✭✭✭Well I guess the original poster has the right to ask for specific requirements. My character was and has always been Breton. Since ESO I made a Breton here as well. And originally was trying to use it as a normal character. Then when I told people way back when that it's a Nightblade everyone, I mean everyone bashed it.
So I then tried to turn it into a tank. It was getting strong and I could do some moderate blocking and hold my own but it just wasn't right. Then someone gave me advice that this can be a good magblade. So I turned it into a good DPS however defense went way down.
I was able to get a fine tuned balance however recently I don't know what happened during the last set of updates but most of the direct damage I would take seems to affect me 25% more and I have to use strategics a bit more better.
As of last night I noticed a big change, I didn't do anything or change anything but this may be a bug or something else unrelated but my Max Magicka went from 16425 to 15286. I have no idea why or how that even happened. So I have to do a bit more work on it again.
In anycase, I find teaming up with certain types of classes increases or decreases my ability to clear out a Dungeon. I usually run the same dungeon almost 4 to 5 times a day and depending on what class another player is just being in a group that same dungeon could be super easy or moderately difficult.
In closing, if the OP wants to just team up with nothing more than other sorcs that's their business. Maybe it's an experiment to see how far they can go just based on what you say "Spamming Shields".
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✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Shield stacking isn't a thing. even if you have a problem killing a sorc who's just spamming healing ward and hardened ward l2p and get with the Infused+Torgus+Oblivion Dmg Meta.
You know it costs near 8k Magika to spam shields twice right? Esp in Battlegrounds, with these kind of costs sorcs are actually pretty easy prey.
Also try doing Vmol with nothing but sorc DPS.
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plz guys ,don't take seriously what this man is saying .... no reliable source ... he only get killed by a sorc and decided to create a Nerf sorc thread ...
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Some of those toon names are god-tier Wasted Slot and One Inhale Two stonefists are my favorites Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on August 29, 2017 2:03PM0 -
ricam✭✭✭I have one char of each class. I love Magsorc but she is squishy as hell. People complain about shield stacking but do they understand that a sorc has almost no base health? If we don't shield up, we die one shot.Edited by ricam on August 29, 2017 2:07PMPS4 NA. Ebonheart Pact, Dark Elf, Sorcerer0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lol another Nerf Sorc thread, its like GroundHog day.
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