Subversus wrote: »

I'll actually give dual wield magblade a shot, destro/resto gets boring... gotta grind amber though since I'd run it on my high elf and stam sustain should be nasty on that, fml

I find destro to be simpler and superior in every regard, with greater viable build diversity as well. Melee is just so fun.

LeifErickson wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

awesome videos, as usual


dude @NightbladeMechanics , I have one personal question on you (no pun, no irony intended, I just really want to know this, not just about you, but generally about hard-core players):

(in case you do not feel so, you can leave it unanswered)

You are so totally good in playing ESO, that I guess, you must have invested hundrets of hours into practicing (playing it).

Do you have a girlfriend? some social life? how many hours a week do you play eso?

I have played a lot over the last year following a car accident in which I suffered a serious spinal injury, from which I'm still recovering. In fact, I'm writing this reply sitting in my car following physical therapy.

I usually go out once per week, sometimes twice, but no more. I have been working full time since February and play 3-4 hours per day with a break day each week. I used to play many more hours than that, though.

I am fortunate to have had close and supportive family, irl friend, and in game friends networks by my side through all of this.

Sounds like u got rekt l2p stupid noob

I got rekt irl!

Subversus wrote: »

I'll actually give dual wield magblade a shot, destro/resto gets boring... gotta grind amber though since I'd run it on my high elf and stam sustain should be nasty on that, fml

if you don't have Amber or way to grind it, you can try shackle, I'm using Bloodthorn and it works fine

Solid

you have a video of it or?

man I'd love to see if you did

I'm kind of doing what Blob did but I'm not at that skill level of gameplay so I screw up a lot, but its SO much fun

zyk wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

man I'd love to see if you did

I'm kind of doing what Blob did but I'm not at that skill level of gameplay so I screw up a lot, but its SO much fun

There were no weapon ults back then, so it wasn't the same thing as Magicka Onslaught builds.

Asayre, I believe, noticed the 2H sword bonus damage was calculated slightly different than the DW sword damage bonus, making 2H superior in high damage builds. So for a period during 2.1, some Magicka players went 2H instead of DW until it was fixed.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/two-handed-or-dual-wield-for-magicka-builds/

I'm talking about before then. We used it for Forward Momentum. I was not very observant of numbers yet at the time and had no idea that it actually yielded that damage bonus until Asayre's posts in later patches. I think the breakeven between 2h and dw was something like 45k magicka, not including the extra item and ability slots of course.

thankyourat wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

man I'd love to see if you did

I'm kind of doing what Blob did but I'm not at that skill level of gameplay so I screw up a lot, but its SO much fun

There were no weapon ults back then, so it wasn't the same thing as Magicka Onslaught builds.

Asayre, I believe, noticed the 2H sword bonus damage was calculated slightly different than the DW sword damage bonus, making 2H superior in high damage builds. So for a period during 2.1, some Magicka players went 2H instead of DW until it was fixed.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/two-handed-or-dual-wield-for-magicka-builds/

I'm talking about before then. We used it for Forward Momentum. I was not very observant of numbers yet at the time and had no idea that it actually yielded that damage bonus until Asayre's posts in later patches. I think the breakeven between 2h and dw was something like 45k magicka, not including the extra item and ability slots of course.

Back before imperial city magblade builds ran 2 hand as well. I dont think dual weild took off until wrothgar. My first ever magblade was 2hand resto until i learned i could go stealth and knock people off cliffs with destro staff and I've been in love ever since lol...


I can never get the melee magblade playstyle down wherever i go dual weild or 2 hand i always attack from my resto bar and use my melee bar as a burst bar with merciless. I just feel squishy if i fight in melee range

Not on NA PC. Here, dual wield as exhibited in these videos was the primary mageblade play style for the game's early years all the way up until Thieves Guild, with snb sap tanky styles secondary. Think Araxleon and Stalker.

Thieves Guild patch made Tether bombing the primary play style because VD made it easy. I'm not even sure if there was a secondary style at the time... I was in an open world destro/resto style, but I don't remember seeing many other mageblades outside of the bombers.

One Tamriel shook things up with formal dueling and destro ult. The ult made bombing easy, and destro mageblade is very dominant in 1v1s.

The dueling specs are also really strong in BGs because of controlled numbers and receiving cross heals.

I'm sure other people dabbled with 2h back then, like us, but it's never been popular on our server. My only points were that it's no new or creative phenomenon, and that it hasn't seen widespread play before not because players hadn't tried it, but because it's restricting and situational.

Edit: I'll add (very cynically, I know) that most of the mageblade duelers that I see running around Stormhaven, Rawl, and Alik'r seldom enter open world Cyrodiil on their mageblades because it is much more challenging to fight outnumbered, unpredictable engagements on the class. Your defenses just don't scale well against numbers unless you're popping a lot of cloaks against players with no detection.

And as you mentioned, yes, ranged mageblade builds are generally safer with a greater margin for error than melee brawly sorts of builds. You definitely have to know your limits as a melee build. Expect your health to take big hits frequently, so you'd better be able to cope with that mechanically while under fire.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

man I'd love to see if you did

I'm kind of doing what Blob did but I'm not at that skill level of gameplay so I screw up a lot, but its SO much fun

There were no weapon ults back then, so it wasn't the same thing as Magicka Onslaught builds.

Asayre, I believe, noticed the 2H sword bonus damage was calculated slightly different than the DW sword damage bonus, making 2H superior in high damage builds. So for a period during 2.1, some Magicka players went 2H instead of DW until it was fixed.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/two-handed-or-dual-wield-for-magicka-builds/

I'm talking about before then. We used it for Forward Momentum. I was not very observant of numbers yet at the time and had no idea that it actually yielded that damage bonus until Asayre's posts in later patches. I think the breakeven between 2h and dw was something like 45k magicka, not including the extra item and ability slots of course.

Back before imperial city magblade builds ran 2 hand as well. I dont think dual weild took off until wrothgar. My first ever magblade was 2hand resto until i learned i could go stealth and knock people off cliffs with destro staff and I've been in love ever since lol...


I can never get the melee magblade playstyle down wherever i go dual weild or 2 hand i always attack from my resto bar and use my melee bar as a burst bar with merciless. I just feel squishy if i fight in melee range

Not on NA PC. Here, dual wield as exhibited in these videos was the primary mageblade play style for the game's early years all the way up until Thieves Guild, with snb sap tanky styles secondary. Think Araxleon and Stalker.

Thieves Guild patch made Tether bombing the primary play style because VD made it easy. I'm not even sure if there was a secondary style at the time... I was in an open world destro/resto style, but I don't remember seeing many other mageblades outside of the bombers.

One Tamriel shook things up with formal dueling and destro ult. The ult made bombing easy, and destro mageblade is very dominant in 1v1s.

The dueling specs are also really strong in BGs because of controlled numbers and receiving cross heals.

I'm sure other people dabbled with 2h back then, like us, but it's never been popular on our server. My only points were that it's no new or creative phenomenon, and that it hasn't seen widespread play before not because players hadn't tried it, but because it's restricting and situational.

Edit: I'll add (very cynically, I know) that most of the mageblade duelers that I see running around Stormhaven, Rawl, and Alik'r seldom enter open world Cyrodiil on their mageblades because it is much more challenging to fight outnumbered, unpredictable engagements on the class. Your defenses just don't scale well against numbers unless you're popping a lot of cloaks against players with no detection.

And as you mentioned, yes, ranged mageblade builds are generally safer with a greater margin for error than melee brawly sorts of builds. You definitely have to know your limits as a melee build. Expect your health to take big hits frequently, so you'd better be able to cope with that mechanically while under fire.

i think meta was a bad word it's never been the most popular build but you would see 2hand magicka users from time to time back then on xbox unlike when dual weild was in full effect and even destro/resto was no where to be found. I feel like i was the only one in xbox sometimes.

I think my problem with melee magblade is that i don't cloak enough i notice how often you cloak in your video. I always think i can take a hit when in fact i can't lol

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

I'll actually give dual wield magblade a shot, destro/resto gets boring... gotta grind amber though since I'd run it on my high elf and stam sustain should be nasty on that, fml

I find destro to be simpler and superior in every regard, with greater viable build diversity as well. Melee is just so fun.

I played melee Magblade before a long time ago, it is super fun to weave in and out with cloak.