Fed up of Glass Canon DPS in dungeons

Libonotus · August 2017

I was in Vet Mazzatun with a pretty tanky tank and a DPS with decent resistances. However, there was on DPS that hit hard but had little-no resistances and had no shields. So when it got to boss fights, he kept draining my magical pool just trying to keep him alive, I have decent recovery but having to spam healing springs and regen on one DPS that keeps running around and gets 2 shotted easily and won't stay with the rest so I can group heal is not fun.

MirelaUmbrella · August 2017

Nothing wrong with being glass canon - I think the issue was that the dps sucked. Probably stood in red and 10 miles away from the healer.

-Voxicity

RadRzRg · August 2017

Umm... Interesting. And what do you suggest the community/developers should do about it? Find that squishy DD and tell him: "Yo, your build just ain't cutting it!"?

karldavy149b16_ESO · August 2017

maybe not a glass cannon just a bad player maybe ?

Drazkyth · August 2017

Simply ask him to slot a shield like Harness Magicka instead of QQing on forums?

Libonotus · August 2017

RadRzRg wrote: »

Umm... Interesting. And what do you suggest the community/developers should do about it? Find that squishy DD and tell him: "Yo, your build just ain't cutting it!"?

Fairly sure this is "General ESO discussion" not a "report issues to developers" sub forum

Feanor · August 2017

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Libonotus · August 2017

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Idk maybe the fact he kept dying in like 1-2 hits

Libonotus · August 2017

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Yes he hits hard but a dead DPS is no DPS

MirelaUmbrella · August 2017

Libonotus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Yes he hits hard but a dead DPS is no DPS

Then tell him to change his build or get gud.

-Voxicity

Pastas · August 2017

DDs survavility is not about resistances. It is on positioning and knowing when to block/shield/dodge.

supaskrub · August 2017

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

maybe not a glass cannon just a bad player maybe ?

Exactly what i would have said, glass canons do work and they work well but situational awareness should come first before just running in and opening up with insane burst dps whilst away from the group and standing in stupid.

But that said the glass canon should have more consideration for the other 3 guys if its a pug group, with a regular group its not an issue.

Libonotus · August 2017

Pastas wrote: »

DDs survavility is not about resistances. It is on positioning and knowing when to block/shield/dodge.

As a healer it's my job to babysit the whole group, not just one person who can't perform their role properly.

Merlin13KAGL · August 2017

Comes down to why he was taking damage, I suppose.

Was he standing where he shouldn't? In red? Too far?

Was tank losing aggro? Where they unavoidable mechanics?

What is your definition of decent resistances?

There's generally a lot of movement involved in some of those fights, so more detail is required.

Mureel · August 2017

Libonotus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Yes he hits hard but a dead DPS is no DPS

I heal glass cannons alllll the time, no worries. SO either the DPS was bad or you are, or combo of both. No offence, I wasn't there, but one of these things are true. I have fairly low health on my DD and nearly never die, and on my healer my glass cannons virtually never die.

So, it's the DPS or you or both.

Pastas · August 2017

Libonotus wrote: »

Pastas wrote: »

DDs survavility is not about resistances. It is on positioning and knowing when to block/shield/dodge.

As a healer it's my job to babysit the whole group, not just one person who can't perform their role properly.

And give me some shards or orbs

theamazingx · August 2017

No dps specs into defense outside cp and shield for mag, blade cloak for stam. Blame the player, not the build, or they'll never git gud and you'll be stuck on the boss's execute with 3 tanks for several minutes and run out of magicka again.

Magdalina · August 2017

There're glass cannons and then there're glass cannons. Glass only breaks when it takes a direct hit you know. If you know how to avoid one, you can do most all vet dungeons with 10k health(wouldn't recommend that for dlc ones. However I have done RoM and CoS with 15k just fine). If you just copy Alcast's latest op dps build with 16-17k health and proceed to stand in all the red without blocking, dodging or using a shield, you'll be in trouble.

Tl;dr - less of glass cannon issue, more of bad player one. Magicka dps can and should have insane surviveability with shields, stamina dps can dodge most of the damage if/when needed/Vigor through it.

ShimmerDoll · August 2017

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being glass canon - I think the issue was that the dps sucked. Probably stood in red and 10 miles away from the healer.

-Voxicity

Is there a way to fix the red to look more obvious? I had this same problem in Marvel Heroes Online where you had an even better view that ESO and lots of people were vocal about not seeing it well. In ESO for me with max settings I don't see it too well sometimes. Other players particles or whatever get in the way. I wish they had a big red arrow coming up from the ground.

Duck · August 2017

You can't heal stupid. If they're running from the healer, they're too dumb to keep healing.

notimetocare · August 2017

Libonotus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Idk maybe the fact he kept dying in like 1-2 hits

Not their job to take hits though. Maybe a *** tank

Magdalina · August 2017

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being glass canon - I think the issue was that the dps sucked. Probably stood in red and 10 miles away from the healer.

-Voxicity

Is there a way to fix the red to look more obvious? I had this same problem in Marvel Heroes Online where you had an even better view that ESO and lots of people were vocal about not seeing it well. In ESO for me with max settings I don't see it too well sometimes. Other players particles or whatever get in the way. I wish they had a big red arrow coming up from the ground.

You can now change the red's colour. And the green. And other stuff. Not sure if you can make it more vibrant than default option but might help.

Merlin13KAGL · August 2017

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being glass canon - I think the issue was that the dps sucked. Probably stood in red and 10 miles away from the healer.

-Voxicity

Is there a way to fix the red to look more obvious? I had this same problem in Marvel Heroes Online where you had an even better view that ESO and lots of people were vocal about not seeing it well. In ESO for me with max settings I don't see it too well sometimes. Other players particles or whatever get in the way. I wish they had a big red arrow coming up from the ground.

@ShimmerDoll as of last patch, there is. You can change the colors of all indicators to that of your choosing. It was implemented with color deficiencies in mind, but can help in any circumstance where there is a lot of visual noise.

IwakuraLain42 · August 2017

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being glass canon - I think the issue was that the dps sucked. Probably stood in red and 10 miles away from the healer.

-Voxicity

Is there a way to fix the red to look more obvious? I had this same problem in Marvel Heroes Online where you had an even better view that ESO and lots of people were vocal about not seeing it well. In ESO for me with max settings I don't see it too well sometimes. Other players particles or whatever get in the way. I wish they had a big red arrow coming up from the ground.

Beginning with HotR you can change the telegraph colors in the GUI. I'm not sure if this will change the visibility that much (I'm on Console, so can't check right now). I would wish they would make them as visible as they are in ff14 where you really can't overlook them.

theamazingx · August 2017

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being glass canon - I think the issue was that the dps sucked. Probably stood in red and 10 miles away from the healer.

-Voxicity

Is there a way to fix the red to look more obvious? I had this same problem in Marvel Heroes Online where you had an even better view that ESO and lots of people were vocal about not seeing it well. In ESO for me with max settings I don't see it too well sometimes. Other players particles or whatever get in the way. I wish they had a big red arrow coming up from the ground.

You're in luck. They just implemented a setting to change color and brightness of those telegraphs. If you're on console, though, I think you have to wait until whenever Horns of the Reach releases for you.

ShimmerDoll · August 2017

Thanks you two, I'll try it out. For me there's just so much action on screen or the camera angle can be bad if something gets behind me. Maybe changing it will help. I'll look into it when the server is up. Right now it's 99% of my problems unless I solo or duo, then It's fine.

Skullstachio · August 2017

Libonotus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If he was hitting hard then where is the problem?

Yes he hits hard but a dead DPS is no DPS

I second the notion (I Agree), because if a DPS is deceased, the boss fight either carries out a little longer, or the whole team bites the dust because the DPS can't do his job properly, I know because I use the Were-Warden Build for my warden which specializes in hybridising DPS & Tanking depending on the situation at hand & what is needed, I do update the build accordingly as needed so that everyone else can use it too, not only does it hit hard in Group dungeons but at the same time, it is also built like a brick wall. (Versatility Included.)

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/351953/were-warden-build-update-1-2-divine-were-warden

purple-magicb16_ESO · August 2017

So? Let him die and resurrect himself then. Don't waste your resources on one guy. If he won't stay in the healing circle (so to speak) let him suffer the consequences. If he complains tell him you need to act (as your role) for the better of the group, not one guy.

I wouldn't necessarily kick him, or tell him how to play. That's arrogant. I would play it out and just not invite him again if I wasn't happy with his performance.

DRXHarbinger · August 2017

Glass cannon builds can solo dungeon that is soloable. no one ever wears anything else.

Issue is the people just watched some streamer and thought they could do it too. Rather than spam spring....maybe L2heal. Get the ritual down, put some rapids on, lifesteal, damage mit with nova or something...

Just a thought..more to healing than spamming springs.

pod88kk · August 2017

I know what you mean mate I was in a trial the other week and beforehand people were boasting about their dps scores on skeletons(console) within the first add pull of hel ra 4 of the dps who were boasting died, we restarted and they refused to put on shields because "It's not part of their rotation" I tried to explain that dead dps is negative dps & 3of them got annoyed & left because we were the "scrubs"

VilniusNastavnik · August 2017

I pretty much tell the Deeps, if you're behind me, you're not getting heals. I'm not gonna exhaust 70% of my Magicka keeping Leeroy Jenkins alive. Either stay in front of me or learn to self heal/shield.